Can you be Pashtun & be an Atheist?

[Brown Skinned Savage]

hmm no, you got it totally wrong.

There is a difference between being an Atheist and Believing in the Theory of Evolution.

Being Atheist means that you are not convinced about the idea of God exists.

There are some muslims, christians, Buddhists, Hindus that believe in evolution.

Correct, The Theory of Evolution is not fundamentally contrary to Islamic tenets, therefore it is possible to accept the Theory of Evolution and be a Muslim.

And correct, Atheism is simply a lack of belief in deities or supernatural enterprise having any role in Realty.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

So being a Pashtun is a way of life and not simply an ethnicity?

Dr. Mohammad Najibullah was a pashtun then?

I am not sure, whether he was a muslim or just muslim for show.

Being Pashtun is an ethnic identity but there's a way of life attached to the Pashtun ethnic identity, which generally incorporates Muslim identity as a subset of it.

Najib was for sure a Pashtun, he was from the Ahmadzai branch of the Suleiman Khel Ghilzais. Whether he himself was a genuinely believing Muslim is anyone's guess. But he had been complicit in atrocities against Afghans, violated the values of the Afghan people and essentially was deemed guilty of treason. Everything else is anyone's guess.

[Damir9000]

Being Pashtun is an ethnic identity but there's a way of life attached to the Pashtun ethnic identity, which generally incorporates Muslim identity as a subset of it.

I raised this question because

It was mentioned before that there is no such thing as a pure pashtun.
rather it is more a culture.

If being a pashtun is simply to have pashtun blood in you then it is possible to be an Atheist-Pashtun.

So I guess, case closed.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I raised this question because

It was mentioned before that there is no such thing as a pure pashtun.
rather it is more a culture.

If being a pashtun is simply to have pashtun blood in you then it is possible to be an Atheist-Pashtun.

So I guess, case closed.

Well the first statement is true as well, Since Pashtuns did not just appear from nowhere they obviously extended from some other ethnicity or even ethnicities.

My point was simply someone's ethnic identity is not contingent by their actions. Some people may want to believe it is, but it isn't.

That isn't to say there are clear impostors who may hijack or adopt an ethnic identity for ideological reasons. but that's another issue.

[khushal]

You cant go to the heart of pashtunland and openly claim to be athiest and pashtun at the same time. You will be in big trouble. That is a fact.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I actually encourage Damir9000 to do that, It'd be a fun social experiment.

[Damir9000]

I actually encourage Damir9000 to do that, It'd be a fun social experiment.

Depends what kind of people; Educated or non educated.

But I am sure if I am generous enough with them, they won't mind.
Pashtuns love money.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Depends what kind of people; Educated or non educated.

But I am sure if I am generous enough with them, they won't mind.
Pashtuns love money.

Education is a relative term, because cultural brainwashing by Western powers is often deemed "Education" by those who are of a colonized mindset. Which I guess applies to you?

Hey by all means try your plan out, I'd like to see the results.

[Damir9000]

Education is a relative term, because cultural brainwashing by Western powers is often deemed "Education" by those who are of a colonized mindset. Which I guess applies to you?

Hey by all means try your plan out, I'd like to see the results.

Man you people really like to turn the conversation on me lol
Does my existence bother you so much?

I was never educated to leave Islam. Western school are not like Islamic Madrasas.
In the west, you actually learn what you are reading instead of reading aimlessly.
None of my teachers beat me with a stick for failing something.
Physical punishement is a part of brain washing.

I guess you've been colonized by arabs. ?
Islam is an arab scam. The saudis make so much money off dumb muslims.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Man you people really like to turn the conversation on me lol
Does my existence bother you so much?

I was never educated to leave Islam. Western school are not like Islamic Madrasas.
In the west, you actually learn what you are reading instead of reading aimlessly.
None of my teachers beat me with a stick for failing something.
Physical punishement is a part of brain washing.

I guess you've been colonized by arabs. ?
Islam is an arab scam. The saudis make so much money off dumb muslims.

I live in the West you know? Education is more than simply going to school it's a series of different constructs which heighten awareness. But just because something doesn't favor or welcome or tolerate you is not an education issue. To make it an education issue is demonstration of a colonized mentality.

Your existence doesn't bother me at all, but you seem to exhibit characteristics of someone that's been mentally colonized. Perhaps I'm wrong but you blurt out sort of the stereotypical knee jerk remarks of those who have been.

Saudi Arabia didn't exist in the 7th century, so this "Arab Scam" bit is anachronistic to say the least.

[Damir9000]

I live in the West you know? Education is more than simply going to school it's a series of different constructs which heighten awareness. But just because something doesn't favor or welcome or tolerate you is not an education issue. To make it an education issue is demonstration of a colonized mentality.

Your existence doesn't bother me at all, but you seem to exhibit characteristics of someone that's been mentally colonized. Perhaps I'm wrong but you blurt out sort of the stereotypical knee jerk remarks of those who have been.

Saudi Arabia didn't exist in the 7th century, so this "Arab Scam" bit is anachronistic to say the least.

How am I colonized? You seem to be colonized as well by arabs.
I disagree with Islam & Allah. Is that so impossible to fathom?
It's hard to talk to somebody who believes his religion is 100% right and everyone else is wrong. For muslims, even to doubt Islam & Allah is a sin.
Sounds like a cult to me.

Saudi Arabia existence is irrelevant. The owners' of mecca & medina make huge amounts of money. Mecca makes 10Billion$ alone on Hajj.
Islam makes good money for them.

My point on educated or non-educated was. The more a person is educated, the more he is tolerant toward people who are not like him.
If an Atheists shows himself to ignorant muslim. The ignorant muslim will go ape-****, shouting belligerent stuff about kaffirs & shaytan.
the educated muslim who keep his calm & will carry on.

[HalloIsBack]

How I am colonized? You seem to be colonized as well by arabs.
I disagree with Islam & Allah. Is that so impossible to fathom?
It's hard to talk to somebody who believes his religion is 100% and every else is wrong. For muslims, even to doubt Islam & Allah is a sin.
Sounds like a cult to me.

Saudi Arabia existence is irrelevant. The owners' of mecca & medina make huge amounts of money. Mecca makes 10Billion$ alone on Hajj.
Islam makes good money for them.

My point on educated or non-educated was. The more a person is educated, the more he is tolerant toward people who are not like him.
If an Atheists shows himself to ignorant muslim. The ignorant muslim will go ape-****, shouting belligerent stuff about kaffirs & shaytan.
the educated muslim who keep his calm & will carry on.

he is half arab from yemen

[Damir9000]

he is half arab from yemen

That explains a lot.

[HalloIsBack]

That explain a lot.

well for arab or for half arab he is realistic and not fanatic
he has got his own opinion and dont use a crowd to hide behind them or to manipulate them, like arabs doing by it using the islamic card

[Brown Skinned Savage]

How I am colonized? You seem to be colonized as well by arabs.
I disagree with Islam & Allah. Is that so impossible to fathom?
It's hard to talk to somebody who believes his religion is 100% right and everyone else is wrong. For muslims, even to doubt Islam & Allah is a sin.
Sounds like a cult to me.

Saudi Arabia existence is irrelevant. The owners' of mecca & medina make huge amounts of money. Mecca makes 10Billion$ alone on Hajj.
Islam makes good money for them.

My point on educated or non-educated was. The more a person is educated, the more he is tolerant toward people who are not like him.
If an Atheists shows himself to ignorant muslim. The ignorant muslim will go ape-****, shouting belligerent stuff about kaffirs & shaytan.
the educated muslim who keep his calm & will carry on.

The nature of all human social structures is to regulate itself and thwart things that conflict with regulating itself. You may consider that cultish but it's actually a very basic human response. As I was saying before In the Anthropology of Religion, Religion is a management system, the role of a management system is to direct human relationships with each other and their surroundings. It has nothing to do with education or a lack there of; it's just simply self preservation and in this case preservation of the very constructs that support them, i.e. Islam.

Even the most liberal, permissive society will take to persecuting individuals if they could potentially disrupt the status quo. Look at how many Assassinations America has performed in its history, America is the figurehead of Modern Liberalism.

Don't be so quick to downplay The Saudi Issue. It would matter tremendously if your argument is that Islam was used as an instrument of socio-economic exploitation for specifically Arab welfare. If it was as you claim then for majority of the 1400 + years since Islam galvanized from that region the Arabs of that region did not acquire direct economic benefits from it.. The indirect ones would have been too sophisticated for them to make use of since they did not fully understand supply-chain economics. Yet Medina and Makkah still operated, under various, often Non-Arab owners.

It maybe true that the owners of Medina and Makkah profited, but These cities had different owners over the course of history the Abbasids, The Turks and so on. There was no hegemonic cultural sphere that held ownership of the region other than Islam itself So the claim is just historically false.

So for you to say we're colonized is clearly a DEFENSE MECHANISM response, Where as what makes you colonized is that your values and viewpoints coincide with the Current Globalist Hegemonic Onslaught and is present as a consequence of it, not in spite of it. It is an Apparatus for Aggressions to subjugate the Middle East and Asia by its hegemony. And thus something like "Atheism" while itself may not be a problem the Modern Atheist Movement is part and parcel in these subversive attacks against the fabric of these societies.

Just look at the writings of both Samuel Harris and Christopher Hitchens, littered with apologetics for such aggressions.