Why do you follow Islam?

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I can't respond because:

I don't know what kind of elementary school, middle-school, High school, College or University you people have attended where it is discouraged to ask questions.
What country do you live in?
In Canada, I have never attended a class where the teacher did not answer the questions asked by students. Neither was a student scorned for asking it.
Do you people even understand what I wrote? It’s like you read something else entirely. Do you people know what means “what” ?
What does not mean “how dare you”. Not even slightly. I was asking for him to further explain.
How can you even compare scholastic realm to Islam & Qu’ran ?

You seem to be on a red herring of sorts; the take away here is that is that Kais is saying that most instructors have not themselves taken direct observation of much of what they teach.

Although I don't agree with Kais' line of reasoning. Because subjects in science rely on reproducibility and predictive power. Thereby confirming their claims. As opposed to religious doctrine must be purely taken on faith alone.

What he's riight about is most students don't take that into account, and I doubt you have either and merely accept what they're taught JUST on authority alone. This is also flawed approach to knowledge, even if the knowledge being taught is in itself correct.

[Badlun]

If you're claiming that the Qur'an and Hadith are the source of the problem, since the Qur'an and hadith are the foundations of Islamic beliefs, then you're in effect against Islam itself , not Islamism.

so why do you keep trying to smokescreen under this word Islamism?

Quran without context is a terror text book. Hadith have a lot of flaws and extremist teachings. Islamism if made equivalent of Islam will be highly dangereous as the whole religion will be then promoting terror machine.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Quran without context is a terror text book. Hadith have a lot of flaws and extremist teachings. Islamism if made equivalent of Islam will be highly dangereous as the whole religion will be then promoting terror machine.

but to gain context you need understanding, you said it's good people don't understand the Qur'an, so therefore if they don't understand it they won't get context.Hadiths are also the source which help in gaining context of the Qur'an; some maybe valid others not, but in the valid ones, we can determine context.

So in summary it seems to be true that you're using "Islamism" as a cover to be against Islam. but why not just say you're against Islam? Be honest with your motives.

[Badlun]

but to gain context you need understanding, you said it's good people don't understand the Qur'an, so therefore if they don't understand it they won't get context.Hadiths are also the source which help in gaining context of the Qur'an; some maybe valid others not, but in the valid ones, we can determine context.

So in summary it seems to be true that you're using "Islamism" as a cover to be against Islam. but why not just say you're against Islam? Be honest with your motives.

I understand your point. The paradox is that those who understand Quran and apply it literally without context, they become terrorists because Quran clearly tells you kill infidels where ever you find them. Those who go for context then Quran becomes a book limited only to the period of the Prophet and not applicable after that period.

My approach is that Quranic injunctions on religious stuff like faith, worship and ethics are for ever but the verses related to politics, culture, economy, astronomy, embryology , law etc must be seen in context and are not applicable now otherwise for example women will be considered half to men in evidence and inheritance and polygamy will be a norm. killing infidels as done by IS will be also Islam.

I am not against the moral and spiritual aspects of Islam but against the political Islam which is also called Islamism.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

[MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION]

Your tone sounds more rational & reasonable than earlier but this is a total departure from your earlier statement. Minus sciences, the rest of what you talk about , such as politics & government, are clearly included in Islam, so I'm not sure what's the use of pretending it isn't.

Why not just admit you're in conflict with Islam?

[Damir9000]

Oh please, stop with this charade.

Heres my schools i attended

P.S 206 Rego Park, Queens
JHS 157 Forest Hills NY
Forest Hills HS/Hills East Queens/Long Island, NY
Suffolk Community College Brentwood, NY (Associates in Business Administration
Stonybrook University Stonybrook, NY (Studied Biology)
New York University Manhattan, NY (Bachelors in International Business)



I have studied Biology at Stonybrook University one of the top science college in the northeast. None of those 300 biology students at my class told the professor that if he personally conducted those studies and theories of scientists like Darwin, Wallace, and Lamarck claimed. They took it as face value like a bunch of sheep and laughed at all his anti-God jokes. i didn't. i said something back and dropped out of that university because all science students were a bunch of sheeps taking the lectures just to pass the course.

The only questions asked at major universities are details about the theories of the scientists the professor is brainwashing the students to know so they can pass the dumb class.

They do not ask why. or if the professor conducted similar experiments, or if the professor even knew anyone else who conducted scientific experiments. All they teach is ignorant people, sorta like you some bs they have to teach that is apart of the curriculum that they must follow to get paid.

First, please post your academic credentials because do you even have a college degree, bro?

Tests are verified by other scientists and you can read about them if you actually read the books.
Those 300 biology students must've read the book that explained their questions. That's what good University student does, he comes prepared to class. So they don't waste the professor's time on simple questions. This is not elementary school, in University you are expected to actually study.
No wonder you dropped out.

If Science was based off BullShyt, it wouldn't go far. There will be no medicine & no new tech. On the other hand, Religion is based on tales of goat herders and religion doesn't produce anything.

Religions and Mullah don't have answer, they only have excuses.
Religion is one way. They are only interested in their opinion.
Religious already know they are right. Scientists never act like that.

you probably dropped out because you thought you knew better than scientists who actually put time in research.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Tests are verified by other scientists and you can read about them if you actually read the books.
Those 300 biology students must've read the book that explained their questions. That's what good University student does, he comes prepared to class. So they don't waste the professor's time on simple questions. This is not elementary school, in University you are expected to actually study.
No wonder you dropped out.

If Science was based off BullShyt, it wouldn't go far. There will be no medicine & no new tech. On the other hand, Religion is based on tales of goat herders and religion doesn't produce anything.

Religions and Mullah don't have answer, they only have excuses.
Religion is one way. They are only interested in their opinion.
Religious already know they are right. Scientists never act like that.

you probably dropped out because you thought you knew better than scientists who actually put time in research.

You still fail to understand the underlying theme here. Most students just take it for granted that The information they learn is based on the Reproducibility of the Results. They simply take it on authority.

This is very prevalent in secular education. If you believe otherwise I advise you to Examine How people fail basic Quantitative Literacy even though they may do well academically

[AgriculturalJake]

Quran without context is a terror text book. Hadith have a lot of flaws and extremist teachings. Islamism if made equivalent of Islam will be highly dangereous as the whole religion will be then promoting terror machine.

Amazing pearl of wisdom. It is like Badlun without context is junkie or prostitute but with context is deal maker, genius, and leader of the ages.
I am even more amazed at your double nature because you are both atheist and Muslim at the same time. Maybe since you are both Safi and Shinwari at the same time because one of your dad is shinwari and the other dad is safi
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=46021

this may be because the safi dad or teh shinwari dad was atheist and the other was strict Muslim and somehow you inherited both essences.

[DaZahroJaam.]

Oh please, stop with this charade.

Heres my schools i attended

P.S 206 Rego Park, Queens
JHS 157 Forest Hills NY
Forest Hills HS/Hills East Queens/Long Island, NY
Suffolk Community College Brentwood, NY (Associates in Business Administration
Stonybrook University Stonybrook, NY (Studied Biology)
New York University Manhattan, NY (Bachelors in International Business)



I have studied Biology at Stonybrook University one of the top science college in the northeast. None of those 300 biology students at my class told the professor that if he personally conducted those studies and theories of scientists like Darwin, Wallace, and Lamarck claimed. They took it as face value like a bunch of sheep and laughed at all his anti-God jokes. i didn't. i said something back and dropped out of that university because all science students were a bunch of sheeps taking the lectures just to pass the course.

The only questions asked at major universities are details about the theories of the scientists the professor is brainwashing the students to know so they can pass the dumb class.

They do not ask why. or if the professor conducted similar experiments, or if the professor even knew anyone else who conducted scientific experiments. All they teach is ignorant people, sorta like you some bs they have to teach that is apart of the curriculum that they must follow to get paid.

First, please post your academic credentials because do you even have a college degree, bro?

you should have studied mythology rather than biology. biology requires brains, not childlike imagination applied to day to day life instead of logic. and please, i have sat through dozens of random lectures with my friends at universities. you don't see me claiming to have studied law or business. so unless you have a certificate, degree or diploma in your hand to show for your education, don't be waving it in people's faces because it means nothing.

...dumbass.

[DaZahroJaam.]

and dumb ass, you don't have to believe in the theory of evolution in order to study/learn it or biology in general. it's called "theory" for a reason.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

And what reason would that be DZJ?

(I'm leading you up to a conversation on why you're using the word "Theory" incorrectly)

[DaZahroJaam.]

Sorry. I will be too busy being "sexually frustrated" to be having conversations with you from now on.
( because you are a sick bas.tard)

[کیش]

you should have studied mythology rather than biology. biology requires brains, not childlike imagination applied to day to day life instead of logic. and please, i have sat through dozens of random lectures with my friends at universities. you don't see me claiming to have studied law or business. so unless you have a certificate, degree or diploma in your hand to show for your education, don't be waving it in people's faces because it means nothing.

...dumbass.

oh please Janam, when i claim something that means it is accurate. If you want me to post me degrees i can since truth always prevails.

*my Bachelors degree comes next month though. Since i just graduated in June.


I can and will wave my degree(s) in peoples faces. it should inspire others to do the same, especially for someone who came from the dirt like i have.

[کیش]

and dumb ass, you don't have to believe in the theory of evolution in order to study/learn it or biology in general. it's called "theory" for a reason.

Aram sha. Chutra Kaur asti?

Chutra biology yat megari ka "believe" namakhuni? chutra sota tu "waste" mekhani boz?

And why is it called theory then? please enlighten this child.

[DaZahroJaam.]

Look at this idiot. This idiot has typed gibberish and is pretending to be speaking Dari. The language that he claims in the language of padarnalats. Not to forget, this is the language he speaks at home. This particular padarnalat here doesn't even speak the first language properly.
But worry not, he has he bachelor's degree coming in the mail soon.