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  • #46
    Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
    Most muslims don't even understand what Qu'ran & hadiths actually say.
    They just listen to their Mullah and nod their heads.
    There are so many stuff that don't make sense.
    But when you ask your mullah, sheikh, parents & other fellow muslims: "How dare you!" "Allah knows best" "It's cultural" "it was the 7th century"

    no real answers.
    Most university students don't even understand 100% of the lectures being taught the them
    There are so many points that don't make sense.
    But when you ask your teachers, tutors, classmates, and other fellow friends: "how dare you" "science has all the answers "it's common knowledge" it was the 20th century."

    No critical thinking, no straight answers, barely any observations done. Just relying on others so called theories.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by کیش View Post
      Most university students don't even understand 100% of the lectures being taught the them
      There are so many points that don't make sense.
      But when you ask your teachers, tutors, classmates, and other fellow friends: "how dare you" "science has all the answers "it's common knowledge" it was the 20th century."

      No critical thinking, no straight answers, barely any observations done. Just relying on others so called theories.
      what?
      Your comparison is quite terrible.



      "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
        what?
        Your comparison is quite terrible.
        While I don't agree with his analogy; what he's saying is true about the way most people behave when it comes to people they view as having an authority on a subject. They merely co-opt all the thinking to them. This happens in both the secular and theological realms.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Brown Skinned Savage View Post
          While I don't agree with his analogy; what he's saying is true about the way most people behave when it comes to people they view as having an authority on a subject. They merely co-opt all the thinking to them. This happens in both the secular and theological realms.
          Damir basically told Kais "How dare you."

          He did not have any rational response.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by khushal View Post
            Damir basically told Kais "How dare you."

            He did not have any rational response.
            exactly.....

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
              Most muslims don't even understand what Qu'ran & hadiths actually say.
              They just listen to their Mullah and nod their heads.
              There are so many stuff that don't make sense.
              But when you ask your mullah, sheikh, parents & other fellow muslims: "How dare you!" "Allah knows best" "It's cultural" "it was the 7th century"

              no real answers.
              This is very good that they don't understand and act upon Quran and Hadith otherwise each and every Muslim will be a terrorist and member of Al Qaeda , Islamic State, Boko Haram or Taliban.

              Quran and Hadith clearly tells you to chaff off heads of infidels whenever you find them so the world is only for the rule of Islam and that is what all the terrorist organizations are doing. You cannot prove that any action of Islamic State etc is against Quran and Hadith.

              Ignorance of Islamism is a blessing otherwise the world would be a hell.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by khushal View Post
                Damir basically told Kais "How dare you."

                He did not have any rational response.
                I can't respond because:

                I don't know what kind of elementary school, middle-school, High school, College or University you people have attended where it is discouraged to ask questions.
                What country do you live in?
                In Canada, I have never attended a class where the teacher did not answer the questions asked by students. Neither was a student scorned for asking it.
                Do you people even understand what I wrote? It’s like you read something else entirely. Do you people know what means “what” ?
                What does not mean “how dare you”. Not even slightly. I was asking for him to further explain.
                How can you even compare scholastic realm to Islam & Qu’ran ?
                Last edited by Damir9000; 07-28-2015, 07:05 PM.



                "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                • #53
                  There's a huge difference between asking a teacher/professor & a Sheikh/Imam.

                  You ask a sheikh/Imam too many questions about the faith, and he will get angry or tell you it's the will of Allah.
                  It is forbidden to doubt the faith.

                  A teacher will at least give a practical unbiased answer and she never will she offended by your question.
                  Where at school you are encouraged to think differently and ask questions.
                  Last edited by Damir9000; 07-28-2015, 06:37 PM.



                  "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                  • #54
                    Islamic schools don't teach kids, they indoctrinate kids like North Korea.



                    "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
                      Islamic schools don't teach kids, they indoctrinate kids like North Korea.
                      the same with communists one
                      there is just one version
                      i went in the 90s to school but all school plans were from soviet time
                      you have to learn by heart everything thats all
                      no questions

                      soviet school system was one of the best but the content in subjects liek philosophy was really bad
                      only good content in subjects liek math, biology etc.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
                        I can't respond because:

                        I don't know what kind of elementary school, middle-school, High school, College or University you people have attended where it is discouraged to ask questions.
                        What country do you live in?
                        In Canada, I have never attended a class where the teacher did not answer the questions asked by students. Neither was a student scorned for asking it.
                        Do you people even understand what I wrote? It’s like you read something else entirely. Do you people know what means “what” ?
                        What does not mean “how dare you”. Not even slightly. I was asking for him to further explain.
                        How can you even compare scholastic realm to Islam & Qu’ran ?
                        Oh please, stop with this charade.

                        Heres my schools i attended

                        P.S 206 Rego Park, Queens
                        JHS 157 Forest Hills NY
                        Forest Hills HS/Hills East Queens/Long Island, NY
                        Suffolk Community College Brentwood, NY (Associates in Business Administration
                        Stonybrook University Stonybrook, NY (Studied Biology)
                        New York University Manhattan, NY (Bachelors in International Business)



                        I have studied Biology at Stonybrook University one of the top science college in the northeast. None of those 300 biology students at my class told the professor that if he personally conducted those studies and theories of scientists like Darwin, Wallace, and Lamarck claimed. They took it as face value like a bunch of sheep and laughed at all his anti-God jokes. i didn't. i said something back and dropped out of that university because all science students were a bunch of sheeps taking the lectures just to pass the course.

                        The only questions asked at major universities are details about the theories of the scientists the professor is brainwashing the students to know so they can pass the dumb class.

                        They do not ask why. or if the professor conducted similar experiments, or if the professor even knew anyone else who conducted scientific experiments. All they teach is ignorant people, sorta like you some bs they have to teach that is apart of the curriculum that they must follow to get paid.

                        First, please post your academic credentials because do you even have a college degree, bro?
                        Last edited by کیش; 07-28-2015, 08:41 PM.

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                        • #57
                          I don't see God. Thus, God does not exist
                          This is the thought process of the uneducated scientists who claim to know everything. And then, you have the masses, who follow the uneducated, illiterate so-called scientists to hell. where they will abide in forever for being so blind, deaf, and dumb.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                            This is very good that they don't understand and act upon Quran and Hadith otherwise each and every Muslim will be a terrorist and member of Al Qaeda , Islamic State, Boko Haram or Taliban.

                            Quran and Hadith clearly tells you to chaff off heads of infidels whenever you find them so the world is only for the rule of Islam and that is what all the terrorist organizations are doing. You cannot prove that any action of Islamic State etc is against Quran and Hadith.

                            Ignorance of Islamism is a blessing otherwise the world would be a hell.

                            If you're claiming that the Qur'an and Hadith are the source of the problem, since the Qur'an and hadith are the foundations of Islamic beliefs, then you're in effect against Islam itself , not Islamism.

                            so why do you keep trying to smokescreen under this word Islamism?

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
                              Islamic schools don't teach kids, they indoctrinate kids like North Korea.

                              Outside of science & Math curricula, even schools in the West indoctrinate, if you mean to say they promote an ideology which they expect students to internalize. I grew up in Massachuetts, and everything we were taught outside of STEM subjects was feminism this, LBGT that. Indoctrination at its core.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
                                There's a huge difference between asking a teacher/professor
                                I have actually seen professors get annoyed when you ask about axiomatic questions.

                                You ask a sheikh/Imam too many questions about the faith, and he will get angry or tell you it's the will of Allah.
                                It is forbidden to doubt the faith.
                                I've actually never seen that , most will just say "Allah knows best" and that they don't know.

                                This doesn't mean the case you suggest doesn't exist but rather one or even 100 cases does not make it definitive or defining.

                                A teacher will at least give a practical unbiased answer and she never will she offended by your question.
                                That's not always true many teachers/professors believe their statements are self evident and/or should be established knowledge without controversy.

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