There is no Islamism in Islam

[Khorosani]

Both you and Khorosani are demonstrating guilt of this.

You first give an article from some bollywood, ahmad shah masood source that the Taliban did an execution on two couples, which in reality nobody knows the daleel that the Taliban used to even commit the execution. EDIT: And than you throw us of committing shirk! What dalaal from DIY mujtahids!

Let me repeat the holes in your claim.

1) Doubtful source from fusaaq
2) No proof that the Taliban take the pashtunwali from the text of their writings
3) No knowledge about the complexities of the actual case. For instance the couple could've admitted to the adultery that happened and one of them could've been married and it was not mentioned in the article. That is if incident even happened
4) single instances of not applying the rule of Allah does not put you under the ayah of kufr rather you are "thalim" or "fasiq" the whole state is not put to blame but the judge who made the ruling.
5)Who is this Qari? I tried researching on him and he is some unknown character. Nobody even knows if he is a Taliban commander or just some other commander fighting alongside the taliban or only loosely allied.


In addition here is an article from the fusaaq you love

http://www.tolonews.com/en/afghanistan/9316-local-police-detained-for-crimes-in-kunduz

criminals

corruption of security forces

https://www.cimicweb.org/Documents/CFC%20AFG%20Security%20Archive/CFC_Afghanistan_Corruption-in-ANSF_Jan12.pdf

and how is working for a government that does not rule by the law of Allah not fisq?

here is the Gen. Qatra mentioned in the article

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004869847158&fref=browse_search

notice him with the kafir.

https://www.facebook.com/hanneke.brouwer.75

this one right here

I find it apauling how much ridiculous arguments you are using to try to protect the afghan security forces and the ridiculous arguments you are using to prove that Taliban don't rule by the sharia. One incident that nobody knows if its even true, nor the details regarding the incident.

[Khorosani]

In addition you've demonstrated how unjust of a person you are. It was said in the Quran about Dawud (AS)

And We strengthened his kingdom and gave him wisdom and discernment in speech. (20) And has there come to you the news of the adversaries, when they climbed over the wall of [his] prayer chamber - (21) When they entered upon David and he was alarmed by them? They said, "Fear not. [We are] two adversaries, one of whom has wronged the other, so judge between us with truth and do not exceed [it] and guide us to the sound path. (22) Indeed this, my brother, has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe; so he said, 'Entrust her to me,' and he overpowered me in speech." (23) [David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] and turned in repentance [to Allah]. (24) - Surah Saad

In this passage, Dawud (AS) was approached by two people, and he judged without hearing the other side. Dawud (AS) made tawbah because of ruling without listening to both sides. Where is your tawbah for judging on an issue without knowing the story from both sides?

[Khorosani]

There is a whole article from the Taliban on the security agreement situation and you don't find a single reference to pashtun wali.

This is from one of their commanders themselves, from their own articles

Q: If the Taliban were to return to power or share rule in Afghanistan, would you reinstate hudud punishments which stipulate that adulterers be stoned and thieves have their hands severed in accordance with Islamic Sharia Law?

Sharia is an integral part of Islam, and excluding a single aspect of Islam nullifies all of it. The application of hudud would fall under the purview of religious judges who would take into account any mitigating circumstances involved. Vengeance is not the aim of hudud, rather it aims to bring justice in accordance with the mandates of God Almighty and not the whims of mankind. It is not permissible to placate the enemies of Islam by forsaking Sharia Law in exchange for money, as some do. Afghanistan’s age of stability and security coincided with the reign of the Islamic Emirate and Sharia Law, before the Americans intervened. That is why our people will not consent to anything but a judiciary purely based on Sharia. This is the basis of our Jihad. For more than 12 years, we have fought and continue to fight for the principles of Sharia, and now it is asked of us to participate in a government that stands against Sharia and that is allied to and supported by infidels. We do not want any part in this government, and we will resist it until God commands us otherwise.

This text is clear, unlike the grey article you brought i've brought something from their actual leaders.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Well since the Taliban are hypocrites who use Pashtunwali as their penalty methodology, which follows the whims of human's in Pashtun culture. Taliban do not hold much credibility.

[Manzareh]

Where on the face of earth is found this WAY OF LIFE in the form of state, economy, scientific and educational system? Give some examples where Islam was successfully implemented in politics, economics, education and science.

Where Sharia is implemented as the legal code of an Islamic state? We see Islam in mosque but not in capitals and seats of governments and economic institutions as well as universities and research centers.

Why Islam is defined by Prophet in this famous Jibril hadith only in this way where no politics, economics, science etc are not mentioned.

Muhammad, tell me about Islam.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, said, 'Islam is that you witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and you establish the prayer, and you give the Zakat, and you fast Ramadan, and you perform the hajj of the House if you are able to take a way to it.' He said, 'You have told the truth,' and we were amazed at him asking him and [then] telling him that he told the truth.

The quote you mentioned does not say that those things are the ONLY subjects in Islam, maybe the most important. You would love to describe the whole of Islam in a single sentence, thing is it's not possible.

You cannot find a place where there is success(worldly) in sharia or the Islamic way of life because muslims are in a sad state at the moment, there is no Islamic head or a khalifa for unity. Nationalism is ruining any hope of Muslims being joined under 1 banner. Muslims across the world are much too pre-occupied with economic issues, their minds clouded by the ever present specter of war to realize what crimes are taking place against them.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

In addition you've demonstrated how unjust of a person you are. It was said in the Quran about Dawud (AS)

In this passage, Dawud (AS) was approached by two people, and he judged without hearing the other side. Dawud (AS) made tawbah because of ruling without listening to both sides. Where is your tawbah for judging on an issue without knowing the story from both sides?

What you're accusing me of actually applies more to you. You stated yourself that YOU do not need to prove injustice and wrong of the People who reported the Taliban activities. Suggesting that it is automatically true because they live and work in Afghanistan and do not attack Karzai. There is no such thing as COLLECTIVE Guilt in Islam, there is NO GUILT by association in Islam.

However Taliban members specifically make Baya'h to Mullah Umar, they agree to follow the ordinances of Shari'ah, their actions reflect on the Taliban; so when they use Pashtunwali it demonstrates the Taliban have contradicted Islam.

Also your attempt at accusing ME of wrong doing is a Personal Attack and demonstrates that you have a weak argument in defense of Taliban.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You first give an article from some bollywood, ahmad shah masood source that the Taliban did an execution on two couples, which in reality nobody knows the daleel that the Taliban used to even commit the execution. EDIT: And than you throw us of committing shirk! What dalaal from DIY mujtahids!

You're attacking the source and not the content. This is called Ad-Hominem Fallacy, it's a logically invalid basis to argue against something as this demonstrates nothing about the truth value of what you're responding to.

which in reality nobody knows the daleel that the Taliban used to even commit the execution. EDIT: And than you throw us of committing shirk! What dalaal from DIY mujtahids

you make accusations and claim things are factual with no supporting evidence. as if everything you say is automatically true by default. Is this not a power only Allah(swt) has, isn't someone who claims to have such abilities claims he has Allah(swt)'s abilities? and Isn't that Shirk? Shirk is a basic concept that every Muslim SHOULD know.

Let me repeat the holes in your claim.

1) Doubtful source from fusaaq

Logical Fallacy based on unsupported assumptions you have not demonstrated. Thus leading to a circular argument.

2) No proof that the Taliban take the pashtunwali from the text of their writings

Taliban do not have texts of Law., They have things they claim are banned and what not; but no Legal Canon. Thereby whatever action they commit must be legally sanctioned as it is not denied by the Taliban that this was done by Taliban members.

3) No knowledge about the complexities of the actual case. For instance the couple could've admitted to the adultery that happened and one of them could've been married and it was not mentioned in the article. That is if incident even happened

They were unmarried and their families had AGREED to marry them. If they had been married the families would not AGREE to marry them. It's pretty clear from the information already given.

So if ANYONE was ignorant of the complexities of the case it is YOU; you didn't even READ the article; .....this demonstrates you REJECT any information that highlights corruption of the Taliban.

EVEN if we take your claim as true that KHAAMA are an "Ahmad Massoud loving Bollywood Source" or that the Security officials are Fasiqeen. What motive would they have to lie about this incident? Most Muslims are ignorant of Shari'ah and in Middle East and there is a prevailing attitude Asia think it is PERFECTLY acceptable to Murder an Unmarried couple for eloping.

So there is no real incentive to deceive anyone on this. So your claim is logically unlikely.

4) single instances of not applying the rule of Allah does not put you under the ayah of kufr rather you are "thalim" or "fasiq" the whole state is not put to blame but the judge who made the ruling.

It is when you claim your actions represent Shari'ah. Moment you associate your decisions with Shari'ah. You're committing kufr. If they did not claim this then it would be thulm or fasq. So yes the WHOLE state is to blame in the Taliban's case, not because of collective guilt, but because the State is responsible due to their claims of Bay'ah and that Taliban are required to make bay'ah to conform to Taliban's will. And there is no evidence that Taliban reject they participated in this.

5)Who is this Qari? I tried researching on him and he is some unknown character. Nobody even knows if he is a Taliban commander or just some other commander fighting alongside the taliban or only loosely allied.

Isn't that true of most Taliban? Most Taliban are hunted down so why would they want their names known? Many go under pseudonyms right?

The point here is the Taliban didn'r deny the incident. There's no motive for either side to lie.

In addition here is an article from the fusaaq you love

http://www.tolonews.com/en/afghanist...imes-in-kunduz

Which is irrelevant since this does not demonstrate that THE SPECIFIC Security Officers in QUESTION of that news report are doing criminal actibities or actions. No automatic collective guilt in Islam

Also you're contradicting yourself , if you take information from people you call fasiqeen. This implies that you were just using it as an excuse and you'll use information if it serves their interests.

and how is working for a government that does not rule by the law of Allah not fisq?

Because there is no automatic collective guilt in Islam.

here is the Gen. Qatra mentioned in the article

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004869847158&fref=browse_search

notice him with the kafir.

Yes ...and?.....this is not proof of wrong doing. How old are you 10?

https://www.facebook.com/hanneke.brouwer.75

I find it apauling how much ridiculous arguments you are using to try to protect the afghan security forces and the ridiculous arguments you are using to prove that Taliban don't rule by the sharia. One incident that nobody knows if its even true, nor the details regarding the incident.

Well it seems to me it is appalling because your abllity to reason is fundamentally poor and errant. You have committed many typical logical; fallacies which are standardly understood as not having merit when demonstrating the validity of claims. You rely on ad-hominem. Even Your reasoning of Motive to present such false information on this case is FAULTY as there would be no motivation to lie since it's pervasive especially in Afghanistan that Murdering unwed eloping couples is ACCEPTABLE, especially amongst Pashtuns. So if they were using this to defame the Taliban, this would certainly be the wrong strategy.

So your argument is absurd from all angles. and all evidence points to Taliban contradicting Shari'ah.

[hk1992]

I told myself i wasnt going to reply to this then you called me kufr so I had to clear my name; when did I say I didnt believe in the oneness of allah, that the prophet muhammad was the last prophet, That I dont pray five times a day, that I dont fast in ramadan, that i dont believe in the obligation to go on hajj if im able, I also assure you I belive in all the articles of faith. According to you I said something which implied that I had Knowledge of the unseen which only belongs to allah...wait a minute are you saying that you have knowledge of my intentions as only I know what I meant by those words, therefore youre committing shirk and by association kufr.
Dont worry I amnt accusing you of kufr just pointing out that your argument is until now all semantics which is the very epitome of an illogical and unfactual argument, which is the same as everything ive written untill now.

Again I amnt biased in favour of the taliban anymore than youre biased against them and Im guessing in favour of the Non muslim led afghan government and security forces. You might say that how do we know whos right and whos wrong as everything is subjective. I say Allah always vindicates those who are doing the right thing so I say lets wait a few years and see who comes out on top post the US withdrawal. I think whoever wins its fair to say Allahs on there side. If im wrong I'll come back on these forums and admit I was wrong(which I 100% doubt i'll be doing)

Again you are wrong there is guilt by association in islam, : Imams Abu-Dawod, At-Trmithi and others reported an authentic hadith that the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said: "The first depravity (in deen) crept in the children of Israel in the way that man would meet another and say to him: Fear Allah and abstain from what you are doing, for this is not lawful for you. Then he would meet him the next day and find no change in him, but this would not prevent him from eating with him, drink with him and sitting in his assemblies. When it comes to this, Allah lead there hearts into evil ways on account of their association with others. Then he recited, what can be translated as, "Those among the children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of David and Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and were ever transgressing beyond bounds. They used not to forbid on another from the Munkar, which they committed. Vile indeed was what they used to do."{From surat Al-Ma'dah, (Verses 78&79)} Then he continued: " Indeed, by Allah, you either enjoin good and forbid evil and catch hold of the hand of the oppressor and persuade him to act justly and stick to the truth, or, Allah will involve the hearts of some of you with the hearts of others and will curse you as he had cursed them." {Abu Dawud and At-Tirmidhi}
Imam At-Trmithi reported a good hadith that the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said: "By Him in whose hand my soul is, you either enjoin good and forbid evil, or Allah will certainly soon send His punishment to you. Then you will make supplication and it will not be accepted."
Imams Abu-Dawod and At-Trmithi reported an authentic narrationthat Abu Bakr As-Sedeeq (R.A.) said: "O you people! You recite this verse: "O you who believe! Take care of your own-selves. If you follow the guidance no harm come to you from those who are in error." But I have heard the Messenger of Allah saying: " When people see an oppressor but do not prevent him from doing evil, it is likely that Allah will punish them all."
Imams Abu-Dawod, Ibn-Majah and Ahmad reported that the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said: "If any man involves himself in corruption while his people around him are capable of stopping him but choose not stop him, they will be afflicted with punishment from Allah before they die."

The prophet (S.A.W.) gave us a great example that clarifies the fact that when evil doers corrupt a society while the good doers do not forbid them from doing evil, they will all be punished and destroyed including the good doers. Imams Bukhari and others reported that the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said: "The likeness of the man who observes the limits prescribed by Allah and that of the man who transgresses them is like the people who get on board a ship after casting lots. Some of them are in its lower deck and some of them in its upper deck. Those who are in its lower deck, when they require water, go to the occupants of the upper deck, and say to them: If we make a hole in the bottom of the ship, we shall not harm the ones who are in the upper deck. If they leave them to carry out their design they all will be drowned. But if they do not let them go ahead (with their plan), all of them will remain safe."


He also relates on the authority of Ibn Mas`ud that the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam) said, "There was not a single Prophet among those who were sent before me who did not have apostles and companions and followed his Sunna and obeyed his commands. But afterwards other generations came whose words belied their deeds, and whose deeds were not in accordance with what they commanded others to do. Whoever struggles against the with his hand is a believer. Whoever struggles against them with his tongue is a believer. And whoever struggles against them with his heart is a believer. But when none of these things are done, then not a single mustard's seed weight of faith is present."



The hypocrites, men and women, are from one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief and polytheism of all kinds and all that Islâm has forbidden), and forbid (people) from Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do), and they close their hands [from giving (spending in Allâh's Cause) alms, etc.]. They have forgotten Allâh, so He has forgotten them. Verily, the hypocrites are the Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).



Again I would like to just add that I don't subscribe to any specific islamic group and of all the religious groups the salafis are the ones I like the least even compared to shias, just as a disclaimer that I am in no way theologically inclined towards the taliban as a result of my upbringing.

Finally forget about wether the taliban is right or wrong, Just answer this question, do you support the US created state of afghanistan, its army and police forces, and do you see The non muslims(ie those who invaded afghanistan) as a greater threat to Islam or the taliban.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Even the verse you quoted says those AMONG the children of Israel If there is collective guilt in Islam then you just admitted the Crimes of a few Taliban would thereby make the entire Taliban guilty

And your hadith about evil doers/good doers is about ALLAH(swt) exacting the punishment; not mere mortals like you. In other words it is not a rule of Islam to have guilt by association.

See what I mean; you think you're Allah ....shrk

[Khorosani]

You're attacking the source and not the content. This is called Ad-Hominem Fallacy, it's a logically invalid basis to argue against something as this demonstrates nothing about the truth value of what you're responding to.




you make accusations and claim things are factual with no supporting evidence. as if everything you say is automatically true by default. Is this not a power only Allah(swt) has, isn't someone who claims to have such abilities claims he has Allah(swt)'s abilities? and Isn't that Shirk? Shirk is a basic concept that every Muslim SHOULD know.






Logical Fallacy based on unsupported assumptions you have not demonstrated. Thus leading to a circular argument.




Taliban do not have texts of Law., They have things they claim are banned and what not; but no Legal Canon. Thereby whatever action they commit must be legally sanctioned as it is not denied by the Taliban that this was done by Taliban members.




They were unmarried and their families had AGREED to marry them. If they had been married the families would not AGREE to marry them. It's pretty clear from the information already given.

So if ANYONE was ignorant of the complexities of the case it is YOU; you didn't even READ the article; .....this demonstrates you REJECT any information that highlights corruption of the Taliban.

EVEN if we take your claim as true that KHAAMA are an "Ahmad Massoud loving Bollywood Source" or that the Security officials are Fasiqeen. What motive would they have to lie about this incident? Most Muslims are ignorant of Shari'ah and in Middle East and there is a prevailing attitude Asia think it is PERFECTLY acceptable to Murder an Unmarried couple for eloping.

So there is no real incentive to deceive anyone on this. So your claim is logically unlikely.




It is when you claim your actions represent Shari'ah. Moment you associate your decisions with Shari'ah. You're committing kufr. If they did not claim this then it would be thulm or fasq. So yes the WHOLE state is to blame in the Taliban's case, not because of collective guilt, but because the State is responsible due to their claims of Bay'ah and that Taliban are required to make bay'ah to conform to Taliban's will. And there is no evidence that Taliban reject they participated in this.





Isn't that true of most Taliban? Most Taliban are hunted down so why would they want their names known? Many go under pseudonyms right?

The point here is the Taliban didn'r deny the incident. There's no motive for either side to lie.



Which is irrelevant since this does not demonstrate that THE SPECIFIC Security Officers in QUESTION of that news report are doing criminal actibities or actions. No automatic collective guilt in Islam

Also you're contradicting yourself , if you take information from people you call fasiqeen. This implies that you were just using it as an excuse and you'll use information if it serves their interests.




Because there is no automatic collective guilt in Islam.




Yes ...and?.....this is not proof of wrong doing. How old are you 10?

https://www.facebook.com/hanneke.brouwer.75

Well it seems to me it is appalling because your abllity to reason is fundamentally poor and errant. You have committed many typical logical; fallacies which are standardly understood as not having merit when demonstrating the validity of claims. You rely on ad-hominem. Even Your reasoning of Motive to present such false information on this case is FAULTY as there would be no motivation to lie since it's pervasive especially in Afghanistan that Murdering unwed eloping couples is ACCEPTABLE, especially amongst Pashtuns. So if they were using this to defame the Taliban, this would certainly be the wrong strategy.

So your argument is absurd from all angles. and all evidence points to Taliban contradicting Shari'ah.

Answer me some basic questions

Are the kuffar allowed on Afghan land?

If you say yes, than i don't want to debate with a bayghairat that doesn't understand this simple principle.

Yes i am attacking the source because the ayah says DON'T TAKE YOUR SOURCES FROM FUSAAQ. Now you are trying to change our conversation about the source because you've been caught red handed. The general that was used for the source was a general caught with a kafir soldier who has invaded our lands and that is FISQ and possibly kufr. Thus this man is a fasiq and has qualities of nifaq.

prove to me how

1)supporting Ahmad Shah Masood is not fisq
2) How supporting bollywood is not fisq

Than prove to me

1) the security forces are not taking money from karzai the one who isn't even implementing the sharia 5%
2) That this general is part of the taliban a hundred percent, you yourself admitted that its not known

Than we can use this source as holding some weight.

You repeat the story from the sources of the security forces and NOT the Taliban. The verse applies on you, you're being unjust and haven't heard both sides of the story. Until you do that your judgement is flawed.

The story does show that the security forces in Kunduz are corrupt, along with the rest.

Allying with the kuffar against your country is not fisq? What are you beghairat?

[Khorosani]

What you're accusing me of actually applies more to you. You stated yourself that YOU do not need to prove injustice and wrong of the People who reported the Taliban activities. Suggesting that it is automatically true because they live and work in Afghanistan and do not attack Karzai. There is no such thing as COLLECTIVE Guilt in Islam, there is NO GUILT by association in Islam.

However Taliban members specifically make Baya'h to Mullah Umar, they agree to follow the ordinances of Shari'ah, their actions reflect on the Taliban; so when they use Pashtunwali it demonstrates the Taliban have contradicted Islam.

Also your attempt at accusing ME of wrong doing is a Personal Attack and demonstrates that you have a weak argument in defense of Taliban.

I answered this part of my last post, but yes you are guilty. You haven't listened to both sides, while this source through proof is untrustworthy. While you haven't shown me that any of the Taliban through their text support pashtunwali, only one stray incident and nobody even knows if this commander was a talib or not, only one article.

[Badlun]

This is a clear proof that if two Islamists do not agree on fundamentals of Islamism(Sharia as a political system) then how so many sects and schools of thought sunnnis, shias, brelvis, sufis, deobandis, hanafis, shafiyes, mailkis, hanbalis, ahle hadith, wahabis, salafis, zaidis, ismailis, Ikhwanis etc etc will agree on one Sharia to be the legal and political system of an Islamic state.

The safe, pragmatic and real way is to take as Islam as it is . As a religion not as a system. This will serve Islam as dirty games of politics will not stigmatize the pristine face of Islam being a divine religion.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Answer me some basic questions

Are the kuffar allowed on Afghan land?

Irrelevant, this is not a subjective discussion. Next.

If you say yes, than i don't want to debate with a bayghairat that doesn't understand this simple principle.

Whether you or I feel it is beghairat, it is irrelevant to the credibility of the report. You need to LEARN LOGIC!!!! Why are you so afraid of rational argument and rely so heavily on Emotional pull? Grow up.

Yes i am attacking the source because the ayah says DON'T TAKE YOUR SOURCES FROM FUSAAQ.

No it says INVESTIGATE the source; You don't even understand Islam, it's quite sad really. But There's NO REASON for them to lie on this matter. Most Afghans and Pashtuns especially WOULD CHEER the Taliban for murdering a couple who fell in love and wanted to be together. The target audience would see no issue in this. However, only a handful of people realize how UnIslamic that is. The Qur'an also teaches us to use our minds ...and you aren't using yours ....maybe you lack the required equipment?

Now you are trying to change our conversation about the source because you've been caught red handed. The general that was used for the source was a general caught with a kafir soldier who has invaded our lands and that is FISQ and possibly kufr. Thus this man is a fasiq and has qualities of nifaq.

Caught red handed in what? Your contention is BOGUS even if we take it as meritable. There's no change here I'm explaining to you that your claims are nosnensical on grounds of logic.

prove to me how

1)supporting Ahmad Shah Masood is not fisq
2) How supporting bollywood is not fisq

Prove to me how it would be relevant to the case from a perspective of Truth Value...using proper logical processes without making faulty assumptions.

Than prove to me

1) the security forces are not taking money from karzai the one who isn't even implementing the sharia 5%
2) That this general is part of the taliban a hundred percent, you yourself admitted that its not known

No you prove that THE SPECIFIC security forces who are involved IN THIS CASE are doing the things you claim. YOU MADE THE CLAIm, burden is on you.

Guilty until proven innocent is NOT Shari'ah; this would shows your hypocrisy if you think otherwise

Than we can use this source as holding some weight.

That's not how it works in the Real World; The Source is valid as long as the truth value of its content is valid and one way we can measure the truth value is see that lying would serve no motive to present the information.

Again ...start studying LOGI and stop being lead like a donkey by that wacko Mullah you study under.

You repeat the story from the sources of the security forces and NOT the Taliban. The verse applies on you, you're being unjust and haven't heard both sides of the story. Until you do that your judgement is flawed.

The Taliban do not deny it, so they must have accepted it. It's simple reasoning. Taliban generally deny things they're not involved in.

The story does show that the security forces in Kunduz are corrupt, along with the rest.

BUT it doesn't show that the security forces SPECIFICALLY INVOLVED ./..IN ...THIS SPECIFIC CASE are corrupt

Remember no AUTOMATIC guilt by association.

Allying with the kuffar against your country is not fisq? What are you beghairat?

You think forcing a woman to have sex against her will is not rape and you're asking if I'm beghairat. That's rich.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

This is a clear proof that if two Islamists do not agree on fundamentals of Islamism(Sharia as a political system) then how so many sects and schools of thought sunnnis, shias, brelvis, sufis, deobandis, hanafis, shafiyes, mailkis, hanbalis, ahle hadith, wahabis, salafis, zaidis, ismailis, Ikhwanis etc etc will agree on one Sharia to be the legal and political system of an Islamic state.

The safe, pragmatic and real way is to take as Islam as it is . As a religion not as a system. This will serve Islam as dirty games of politics will not stigmatize the pristine face of Islam being a divine religion.

Not even TWO secularists agree about the fundamentals of Secularism So if you say that is proof Islam is not suitable, then this applies even MORE so with Secularists; after all World War I, II, Vietnam War, Korean War, Tamil Tigers and many others were Secularists fighting Secularists about how to apply secularism. However we're not debating about fundamentals of Shari'ah so even in terms of your statement your assesment is incorrect. We're debating about Taliban applying PASHTUNWALI methods and claiming them as Shari'ah. Pashtunwali is NOT fundamental to Shari'ahI posted a case where Taliiban murdered an unmarried eloping couple this is called TOR in Pashtunwali and TOR receives death penalty in Pashtunwali However in Islam ...that is not the correct penalty. So what we're debating here is people who follow ACTUAL Shari'ah and people like Taliban who mix Pashtunwali and call it Shari'ah. BIG difference,

[Manzareh]

Haha Badlun with desperate justifications for his ridiculous views. If debating means fault in a system I invite you to tune into any channel that broadcasts a House of Parliament. LOL