There is no Islamism in Islam

[jankhan]

Badlun wants to impose his ideas on others like other secularists.
He does not have problem with secularism in politics, economy, society and all other fields of life even if they are imposed by force, means he has accepted secularism to be the way of his life and wants it for others too. BUT he has a big problem when Islam talks about the same thing.

[randolph85]

is it any wonder why this badlun guy is campaigning for ghani and dostum by his own admission?

[کیش]

When was this word of "Islamism" according to Merriam Websters English Dictionary it was "created" in 1747. By who? Europeans. And why would they want to separate Islam into "Islamism and Islamist" to moderate, secular and even conservative branches? That's easy, to cause a rift between the two so Europeans can destroy Muslims.

Your ideology is straight "Separation of Church and State." that's at the US constituition, not the Qu'ran.

[Khorosani]

its enough that Allah said "inil hukmu illa Lillah" the hukm is ONLY for Allah. anybody who knows rudimentary arabic knows that the hukm is solely for the sake of Allah and hukm can only be taken out from the principles that Allah has taught us through the Quran and the Sunnah.

The thing is, at least Christians can take out verses from their bible or twist vague verses to suit their desires, such as the verse leave God what is for God and Caesar what is for Caesar but where does it say it in the Quran? The Quran is specific that the hukm has to be for him and that the hadd has to be applied on the criminals. The Quran also points all its laws back to the principle that the hukm is only for Him aza wa jal. Just look at surah maidah the beginning starts off as rulings rulings rulings along with stories and pricinples to supplement the rulings and or the rulings are complimenting the principles, and when you reach to the middle Allah gives us at least 15 ayat explaining that the hukm is only for him and than after that He refutes the jews and christians, gives more rulings on hajj and other rulings and than finishes off with refuting the Christians on Easa alayhisalam. This is the same pattern we see in Surah nisa.

[Khostai]

Badlun we understand what you want to say but it all happened because of you secularists. I remember when religeous people used to stay limited to their mosques and used to do only ibadahs, you secularists used to say to them, ''these mullahs do not know anything about the world affairs, they should participate in politics, in world affairs, in business, in world politics, in daily life affairs, in social life affairs, in medicine, in universities and in all walks of life they should practically show how to deal with the world rather than teaching these old type stories in the mosques and do all the time just prayers and fastings etccc.... Now when they are doing what you have taught them so you are crying now looooooooooooooooool.....
Secondly I don't understand what is your problem with the religious people ?
All the Muslim countries are ruled and dominated by the secularists then why do you always cry about the religious people.
No religious system exists in any of the Muslim country.

I don't know on what planet you lived but secularists did everything to push your noisy mullahs from the goverment and politics, please give me an example of a secular goverment or a leader who promoted mullah or wanted them to be in govement???

And here is the world map of how much of muslim countries are secular.
Not that much he?



English: Islam World
Dark Green: Islamic State
Light Green: State Religion
Orange: No Declaration-Ahmedia
Blue: Secular State

[Khorosani]

lets ask badlun a question, if there is a secular government and the Quran is burned in the name of freespeech and beliefs, what should be done with them?

How about insulting the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?

[jankhan]

I don't know on what planet you lived but secularists did everything to push your noisy mullahs from the goverment and politics, please give me an example of a secular goverment or a leader who promoted mullah or wanted them to be in govement???

And here is the world map of how much of muslim countries are secular.
Not that much he?

When I said the secularists pushed the mullahs into this, I meant not by the govt but the common people in the society, like the nationalists.
These half educated people always talked the mullahs should come out of their mosques and take part in the practical life, they used to make a joke on them.
But now when they are in the politics they are crying now loooooooooooolllll.
Secondly show me a single Muslim country where Islamic laws are implemented.
The Muslim govts are influenced by the secularists, the policies are made by the secularists directly or indirectly controled by the USA.
And yet you secularists are unhappy, I don't know what else do you want ?

[Khostai]

When I said the secularists pushed the mullahs into this, I meant not by the govt but the common people in the society, like the nationalists.
These half educated people always talked the mullahs should come out of their mosques and take part in the practical life, they used to make a joke on them.
But now when they are in the politics they are crying now loooooooooooolllll.
Secondly show me a single Muslim country where Islamic laws are implemented.
The Muslim govts are influenced by the secularists, the policies are made by the secularists directly or indirectly controled by the USA.
And yet you secularists are unhappy, I don't know what else do you want ?

Those half educated people were you extremist and wahabist who wanted sharia, no nationalist or secualrist will ask a mullah to join goverment, or come out of the mosque this is againts there ideology, its like saying a wahabist would ask secularist to joing theire party and what not.

I provided you a map with the muslim countries who have Islamic rule and Sharia. Jus because they don't have your type of Sharia doesn't mean they are not Islamic, like for example SA or Iran the two bigest Islamic countries today, were secualrist have 0 saying in goverment or education.

But what ever, every time somebody shows you that muslims countries are ruled by Islamic parties and goverment, you all deny it. If you deny that they are Islamic than I can deny that there was also no secular rule or what so ever in the world.

[Khostai]

The ones that are unhappy and shout and scream and palce suicide bombs are the Islamist, were do you see secular militia who inpose secular rule in a country? Which secular millitant group or organization started global terrorist organization to spread theire ideology? I see no where. And somehow secularists are the one who makes all the trouble and are unhappy.

Syrian people who rose against Assad rose against his rule and not to bring Sharia, the same with Egypt. USA invaded Afghanistan not because it wanted to spread its secularism but for its own benefit. You all make it like there is global vandeta against Islam and Islamic rule when in fact nobody cares about it.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

were do you see secular militia who inpose secular rule in a country?

Egypt

Which secular millitant group or organization started global terrorist organization to spread theire ideology?

Soviet Union

Syrian people who rose against Assad rose against his rule and not to bring Sharia,

Well they want it now

the same with Egypt.

There was a popular vote in of the Ikhwan Al Muslimeen, people stressed more Shari'ah in Government.

USA invaded Afghanistan not because it wanted to spread its secularism but for its own benefit. You all make it like there is global vandeta against Islam and Islamic rule when in fact nobody cares about it.

Obviously, you're not saying anything new.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

After reading Kais' posts; I noticed something very interesting in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of ISLAMISM. There are two versions of Islamism; but they essentially mean the same thing. One saying "Faith , Doctrine OR CAUSE of Islam" and other says a "POPULAR movement of reordering Government to Islamic Principles". The Cause of Islam is to reorder society to Islamic Principles; ISLAMISM is really just ISLAM ITSELF; People like Badlun are not against extremists; they're against ISLAM.

Is·lam·ism noun \is-ˈlä-ˌmi-zəm, iz-, -ˈla-; ˈiz-lə-\

Definition of ISLAMISM

1
: the faith, doctrine, or cause of Islam
2
: a popular reform movement advocating the reordering of government and society in accordance with laws prescribed by Islam

[HalloIsBack]

No Muslims use the word ''islamism''.
This word is invented by the enemies of Islam.
Islam is a way of life. It guides you in all walks of life.
We know you want to push Islam into the corners of the mosques as the christians have to done to their religion.

so the muslims who use the word islam are not muslims according to which kafirs?

as i know only god can decide who is kafir and who not

[HalloIsBack]

I don't know on what planet you lived but secularists did everything to push your noisy mullahs from the goverment and politics, please give me an example of a secular goverment or a leader who promoted mullah or wanted them to be in govement???

And here is the world map of how much of muslim countries are secular.
Not that much he?



English: Islam World
Dark Green: Islamic State
Light Green: State Religion
Orange: No Declaration-Ahmedia
Blue: Secular State

step by step this secular state are made to islamistic state by the west like the taliban

[HalloIsBack]

the people who were at the begin and still against assad are islamist

the syrian people (different groups of muslims and christians) lived peacefully together

why do the syrian christian want a shariah?

the syrian people who were at the begin against assad are now pro assad because they saw and still see every second the real faces of shariah people

[abassinafghan]

There is no islam in islamism .

There is no such a thing as Islamism if you exclude ikhwanis.

yeah of course and everything what your beloved haqqanis and mullah omars do is pure islam and allahs will , there is no personal interesst or second agenda behind it