Why Nationalism leads to apostasy

[ډګروال]

this is what she means:


Bacha Bazi: An Afghan Tragedy

ok now i get it.

what a wh*re

[HalloIsBack]

ok now i get it.

what a wh*re

@Admin Khan and [MENTION=103]tor_khan[/MENTION] why do you ban me for using bad words?

[ډګروال]

@Admin Khan and [MENTION=103]tor_khan[/MENTION] why do you ban me for using bad words?

look at your avatar with two middle fingers
and also you think calling someone a chai boy is OK?

and you are a wh*re if you want someone to be your chai boy.

[HalloIsBack]

look at your avatar with two middle fingers
and also you think calling someone a chai boy is OK?

and you are a wh*re if you want someone to be your chai boy.

just learn how to count there are 3 fingers on each hand on the pic

wait i always though that chai boy is a boy who is raped by a man
hmmmmmmmmm

[Manzareh]

nope! you can speak fluently a language but have a bad pronunciation
[MENTION=2]Admin Khan[/MENTION] or especially tor_khan he used the word **** will be he now banned like i was?

His pronunciation is absolutely fine. Pride is a feature of the devil like you always say, so lower your pride and admit you made a mistake and were wrong. Simple.

You have the F word in your display picture, therefore your swearing in every single post you make. Your request is hypocritical don't you think. You want me banned because I'm exposing you as a liar not because of the F word lol

[HalloIsBack]

His pronunciation is absolutely fine. Pride is a feature of the devil like you always say, so lower your pride and admit you made a mistake and were wrong. Simple.

You have the F word in your display picture, therefore your swearing in every single post you make. Your request is hypocritical don't you think. You want me banned because I'm exposing you as a liar not because of the F word lol

nope! speaking a language and the pronunciation are two differen things!
do you speak arabic?

why should i admit a mistake if i have no done one?

i have this pic for a long time @Admin Khan and [MENTION=103]tor_khan[/MENTION] know it but did not do anything hmmmmm why?

but when i use f word i'm immediately banned other users not. why?

[Manzareh]

nope! speaking a language and the pronunciation are two differen things!
do you speak arabic?

why should i admit a mistake if i have no done one?

i have this pic for a long time @Admin Khan and [MENTION=103]tor_khan[/MENTION] know it but did not do anything hmmmmm why?

but when i use f word i'm immediately banned other users not. why?

You don't speak Arabic so how do you know his pronunciation is not right. What's the point mentioning his pronunciation anyway? He is not an Arab but can speak Arabic that's all that matters. You speak English but I bet your English pronunciation is all wrong.

[HalloIsBack]

You don't speak Arabic so how do you know his pronunciation is not right.
Do you speak Arabic? Obviously not, how can you then know his pronunciation is fine?
I don't speak Arabic but lots Muslims who are speaking fluently Arabic say it.

What's the point mentioning his pronunciation anyway?
pierre vogel is a preacher (i don't know the right english or arabic word for this term, sorry ) and this kind of person should have got perfect arabic so he preach islam in the wrong way

he and people surrounded him are observing by constitution protection, he also offered hajis to mekka but muslems who were there were pissed off of him cuz he did not keep what he promised, lots of muslims did not receive their money back. if you don't believe me i can send you soem articles


He is not an Arab but can speak Arabic that's all that matters.

i'm not english but speak english so i can teach english

You speak English but I bet your English pronunciation is all wrong.
true! my english depends also with whom i speak!

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[afghan]

Wasn't prophet Muhammad (pbuh) a nationalist? but he preached nationalism a very wide sense.About Ummah (nation) one can find many hadis.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Well the thing is Ummatiyah is being bound by unity of religion

Ashabiyah is being bound by ethnicity, tribal links and all that stuff, which is essentially nationalism. Ashabiyah isn't apostasy, but it does contradict Islam.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Ashabiyah isn't apostasy, but it does contradict Islam.

It can be a sabab towards apostasy. Thats the title of the thread. There are many ways how it can become a sabab to apostasy.

Example:

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

إِنَّ أَڪۡرَمَكُمۡ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتۡقَٮٰكُمۡ

Surely the noblest of you, in Allah’s sight, is the one who is most pious of you.

Suppose, a person believes he is the most noble of all men because of his lineage, this persons belief would be in direct contradiction to what Allah says.

There are those among Arabs, Pashtuns, Persians and others who claim to be Muslims but they disbelieve in this ayah. They will even argue how they are right.

This type of disbelief is rejection of a clear verse of Qur'an.

A person who holds such views must repent and repeat his testimony of faith.

[Manzareh]

.You don't speak Arabic so how do you know his pronunciation is not right.
Do you speak Arabic? Obviously not, how can you then know his pronunciation is fine?
I don't speak Arabic but lots Muslims who are speaking fluently Arabic say it.

What's the point mentioning his pronunciation anyway?
pierre vogel is a preacher (i don't know the right english or arabic word for this term, sorry ) and this kind of person should have got perfect arabic so he preach islam in the wrong way

he and people surrounded him are observing by constitution protection, he also offered hajis to mekka but muslems who were there were pissed off of him cuz he did not keep what he promised, lots of muslims did not receive their money back. if you don't believe me i can send you soem articles


He is not an Arab but can speak Arabic that's all that matters.

i'm not english but speak english so i can teach english

You speak English but I bet your English pronunciation is all wrong.
true! my english depends also with whom i speak!

What are you talking about? you make no sense.

You said the guy does not know how to pronounce Arabic in the right way, but you were lying because he does know how to pronounce Arabic, forget the long story. Don't spread rumors and admit your mistake that's all.

[HalloIsBack]

What are you talking about? you make no sense.

You said the guy does not know how to pronounce Arabic in the right way, but you were lying because he does know how to pronounce Arabic, forget the long story. Don't spread rumors and admit your mistake that's all.

why do you leave the topic? i just replied to your post. that's all.

speaking fluently a language and pronunciation are two different things.

i can speak fluently english but my pronunciation is very bad. so i can teach english then?

do you speak arabic? how can you know that his pronunciation is fine when you don't speak arabic?

i don't spread rumors i say the true! why should i admit a mistake which was not commit by me?

this guy lie to the muslims and cheat them out of their money!

[Manzareh]

why do you leave the topic? i just replied to your post. that's all.

speaking fluently a language and pronunciation are two different things.

i can speak fluently english but my pronunciation is very bad. so i can teach english then?

do you speak arabic? how can you know that his pronunciation is fine when you don't speak arabic?

i don't spread rumors i say the true! why should i admit a mistake which was not commit by me?

this guy lie to the muslims and cheat them out of their money!

I speak some arabic yes, & i have been told i pronounce Arabic perfectly by teachers etc since i've been learning it for a number of years now, also Pashto is hard language so its easy for a Pashtun to learn the correct pronouncing of Arabic. You however have a baseless assumption of the man because you can neither speak OR pronounce Arabic, therefore your criticism of him is meaningless since you have no qualification in judging his language skills. understand? how can you pass a judgment of the mans language when you don't speak it yourself.

Also, some scholars are not born Arabs so sometimes they can never get the pronunciation right, this doesn't make their Islamic knowledge any less valuable. Its common sense.

He might lie to Muslims, but then there's people like you that also lie to muslims and spread false accusations from the top of head without even thinking.

[Badlun]

Well the thing is Ummatiyah is being bound by unity of religion

Ashabiyah is being bound by ethnicity, tribal links and all that stuff, which is essentially nationalism. Ashabiyah isn't apostasy, but it does contradict Islam.

It means Ibne Khaldun was a goof!

Religion is for person, family, beliefs etc not binding force like an ethnicity or nation. Nation is something concrete not like the fluid religion with so many sects, schools, hatred, wars and no material benefit.

I have heard that Prophet Muhamamd used to say that I am Qureshi, I am Qureshi, I am Qureshi and I am proud of it. Quran also recognizes tribes and lineage/sub tribes/branches(shouoob) for identity. Identity is a pride, a difference. If you call a man dog, you do not touch him but you change his identity.