Where Do We Come From?

[PFgulalai]

Thanks Qrra.

I agree that scientific theories are always open to falsification. However, certain theories are credible enough to win the support of people as it validates itself through the test of time. Today Darwin theory of Natural Selection is cosidered the "sacred" text in the scientific community. It is simply astonishing to know that what Darwin predicted ~200 years ago has been confirmed through high-throughput sequencing technology.
His wisdome and genius called for investigating the process of evolution after he came across obstacles (which were termed "doubts" by creationists), by considering his theory as stepping-stones.

You are right.Darwin was not the first one to talk about evolution. Many attempts were made by Greek,Chinese,persian philosophers at different times. With the dawn of 18th century when the science of biology was advancing, many others such as E.Darwin and Lamarck also talked about the changes in the species at the organismic level. All these were rejected until both Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel came with an almost similar idea (natural selection) and subsequent publication of his famous paper in the Journal Nature. Since Darwin thoery elaborated natural selection with stron evidence (his adventures on islands with finches) it started attracting wide attention from the scientific community.

So at that time, no one may have known it better (actually, there is evidence that others had discussed and published info on evolution before Darwin, so Darwin wasn't the first human on earth to talk about evolution or to offer info about it), but scientists today understand it much better than Darwin himself may have.

[PFgulalai]

I support theory of evolution on the basis of its genuineness.

Gulalai which theory do you support? I cant seem to find out your views.

[inqilab]

FYI.There are two types of Chimpanzees: the common chimp. and the Bonobo. It depends which DNA are you going to use for sequencing. The consistent estimation in the scientific circle has remained 97% with some scientists going up to 98% and some below 96% depending upon their sequencing software and technology/equipment.
All humans, at the DNA level, are 99.9% similar.Identical twins are 100% similar genetically but have variations epigenetically.

The bonono is a great ape that is nearly related to the chimpanzee. it is called the pygmy bc of its weight.

This is just rhetorical talk from you. And it makes no difference to what i had said: There is no 98% similarity between human and chimp dna

LOL!!
MORE FYIs!

Karyotype is the total chromosomal complement of an individual.
All chromosomes are made up of DNA which has 3.6 billions base pairs in every single cell of the ~50 trillion cells of a human body!
Similarity, called Homology, is detected at the DNA level, not at the Chromosomal level.
We look at the individual A, T, C, G bases (3.6 billion!) in the DNA from a single cell of every human for detecting similarity and differences.

What a waste of gibberish. Your whole post was unnecessary. You just wanted to pretend you had something smart to say. Since most of your posts are just baseless.

When you align all chromosomes of a specie straightened out in a row. You have what? karyotype.

When you are comparing karyotype. You are not comparing dna. What you are comparing is a method in how dna is compact. Read this over and over again. Slowly. Try thinking about it too.

If chimps have similar karyotype. That means they use histone. In a similar method as we do. It does not mean we have similar dna.

In fact you can just say that. This is a comparison of phenotypes. Since the formation of histones is genetically decided.

[inqilab]

Do not edit my post. My words are straight forward and factual about gulalai.

Why edit out my chimpanzee comment? if she believes in evolution then she should not be insulted about being from chimps LOL

[inqilab]

My dear brother, I cannot believe you just said that! Here's why.

Secondly, in your post above, you're hinting at the idea that belief in God is a theory. But the belief that God exists is not a theory because it cannot be tested, and there are no hypotheses involved. A theory can be shown wrong by experiments, just as it can be shown correct.

I said If one wants to believe in a theory. That says humans share a same ancestor as apes. It would be more appropriate to say. That we are created by the same creator rather then evolved out of the same specie.

But, as of July 2010, we have no way of proving/showing God's existence.

LOL uh the Quran is a clear-cut proof of an existence of a creator. And my first post proves it with logic that a creator exists.

There is an obvious reason why people try to avoid the Quran. bc they will be proven wrong.

Thirdly, that humans are created by the same creator who has created everything else is a religious belief that science has nothing to do with. Science cannot prove that, and there's nothing anyone can do to prove that we were created by anyone or anything, whether the same Creator all along or not.

As i mentioned. The universe to scientists is like a book. The first and last pages are lost.

Science is only part of knowledge. And not knowledge itself. It only gives a limited view. Not a full picture. So to come to conclusions through some facts is false.

And it is a proven fact. That the Quran had given information about things. Which science only came to realize recently.

But i do not say Quran is a book of science. And i will not argue over it.

Fourthly, what if someone doesn't wanna believe in any theory? Would your statement that "it'd be more appropriate to say we are all created by the same creator" still apply? (Of course it would. But I'm just showing you why your condition that "if someone wants to believe in a theory" is wrong.)

Sure. As i mentioned above.

So I suggest you keep that away from it, since it has nothing to do with the discussion of evolution. Evolution does not deny God's existence; however, evolutionists may deny God's existence, just as those who don't even believe in evolution may as well. At the same time, many who believe in or support evolution believe in God, just as many who don't believe in evolution believe in God.

Actually what i said was It would be more appropriate to say. That we are created by the same creator rather then evolved out of the same specie.

[PFgulalai]

There is no 98% similarity between human and chimp dna

What a waste of gibberish. Your whole post was unnecessary.
You just wanted to pretend you had something smart to say.
Since most of your posts are just stupid and baseless.
Anyways. You are a waste of time. Maybe you are from a chimpanzee LOL .

I am not surprised by your response.
Skipping this all....since I know the likes of you who always get personal when they have nothing substantial to say...
And I would proudly prefer to be associated with the intelligent great apers rather than insane people who think there is no god in statues!

When you align all chromosomes of a specie straightened out in a row. You have what? karyotype.

When you are comparing karyotype. You are not comparing dna. What you are comparing is a method in how dna is compact. Read this over and over again. Slowly. Try thinking about it too.

If chimps have similar karyotype. That means they use histone. In a similar method as we do. It does not mean we have similar dna.

In fact you can just say that. This is a comparison of phenotypes. Since the formation of histones is genetically decided.

Anyways. You are a waste of time. Maybe you are from a chimpanzee LOL

HAHAAHAAH @ the brutal mutilation of basic scientific knowledge. So I will like to comment here not to answer to you but to provide correct information to the readers and to stop the unfruitful attempts of some other "revolutionary" who might come up and completely mess up the basic concept of DNA and chromosomes.

SO NOW YOU LISTEN (if you want to..otherwise khuday pa aman).

DNA--made of A, T, G,C- distributed in 23 chromosomes in a haploid cell.
Karyptype--the total number of somatic+sex chromosomes of an organism
Histones--the basic proteins which coil around the DNA and that association leads to the formation of chromosomes during the process of mitosis/meiosis.
How to know what's in chimps and what's in humans?--Extract DNA, digest with enzymes, put it in the sequencer, and get the genomic reads, analyze the data through sequencin software..that is how you know the homology between two organisms.
Karyotyping is used for finding out the chromosomes of an organism.For example, how many chromosomes are there in human?
Sequencing is used to find out the sequence/order of A, T, G, C on the DNA.

When you are comparing karyotype. You are not comparing dna. What you are comparing is a method in how dna is compact. Read this over and over again. Slowly. Try thinking about it too.

If chimps have similar karyotype. That means they use histone. In a similar method as we do. It does not mean we have similar dna.

In fact you can just say that. This is a comparison of phenotypes. Since the formation of histones is genetically decided.

SERIOUSLY!!! you can go to any extent--to the extent of even fudging the basic scientific facts!!please,please this all is very sacred to me..don't make any attempts of blasphemy.Otherwise, the spirits of all the noble and sacred scientists will haunt you...

A word of catuion:Correct interpretation of the information is more important than simply google-ing it, otherwise you know..what I mean??

[PFgulalai]

Oh you don't have to worry!!! your "words" have been immortalized in my response to your post.
You are right and I am not offended at all. I would be more insulted if someone compares me to those who fudge the basic scientific information..to me that is highly blasphemous..and 100 lashes for those who committ the sin and eternal fire of the Hell with these.

Do not edit my post. My words are straight forward and factual about gulalai.

Why edit out my chimpanzee comment? if she believes in evolution then she should not be insulted about being from chimps LOL

[Roshina]

Do not edit my post. My words are straight forward and factual about gulalai.

Why edit out my chimpanzee comment? if she believes in evolution then she should not be insulted about being from chimps LOL

LOL @ "Do not edit my posts." Why would anyone do that? Brother Inqilab, all of your posts should be preserved for reasons I prefer not to disclose. They speak for themselves enough already.

Oh you don't have to worry!!! your "words" have been immortalized in my response to your post.
You are right and I am not offended at all. I would be more insulted if someone compares me to those who fudge up the basic scientific information..to me that is highly blasphemous..and 100 lashes for those who committ the sin and eternal fire of the Hell with these.

Gulalai, you're a ... microbiologist? What was it? Something related to this, yeah?

Well, will you look at this - a mullah who thinks that to believe in evolution is to believe that you came from apes is arguing with an Xbiologist about DNA!

[PFgulalai]

lol..It's a secret. I will tell you there :P
After all, he is !He knows no other business than this..lol

Gulalai, you're a ... microbiologist? What was it? Something related to this, yeah?

Well, will you look at this - a mullah who thinks that to believe in evolution is to believe that you came from apes is arguing with an Xbiologist about DNA!

[inqilab]

gulalai Thank you for your bullsh*t, What's the point of your rant? Are you trying to prove you're not a complete moron, just partially?

What you spewed doesn't change at all what he posted bizo, the gist being comparison is done using Karyotype

I'm glad you think your ancestors were apes, what a shameful history you have

lol she is practically copying everything from wikipedia. And pretends it is her words.

All what she is saying is insignificant. Since it does not prove what i said wrong.

Like i said. She is a waste of time.

[PFgulalai]

You are divine Sir. You go to heaven and do all merrymaking.
I am proud of my bizo history. Do you have any problem with it?
If yes, why?
If no, khabara khlasa.
If yes/no, you might want to 'understand' the difference between karyotyping and sequencing.
If still no, you might be interested to know my glorious history of origin.
If still no no, why don't you do the honors of providing some insights rather than cursing.
If still no,no,no..don't worry! I understand.
Cheers and peace!
Long live great apes including humans

Thank you for your bullsh*t, What's the point of your rant? Are you trying to prove you're not a complete moron, just partially?

What you spewed doesn't change at all what he posted bizo, the gist being comparison is done using Karyotype

I'm glad you think your ancestors were apes, what a shameful history you have

[PFgulalai]

I love wikipedia. I copy from it all the time.Do you have any problem with that? But even copying would require some 'brains' and I can see why is that missing 'here'..Duh!! some just did not have the chance to evolve.Tsk.Tsk.

lol she is practically copying everything from wikipedia. And pretends it is her words.

All what she is saying is insignificant. Since it does not prove what i said wrong.

She tries to laugh her stupidity off. Like i said. She is a waste of time.

[inqilab]

[inqilab]

I love wikipedia. I copy from it all the time.Do you have any problem with that? But even copying would require some 'brains' and I can see why is that missing 'here'..Duh!! some just did not have the chance to evolve.Tsk.Tsk.

That is why you belong in a zoo.

[PFgulalai]

And you belong to heaven :D

That is why you belong in a zoo.