Saudi preacher gets fine and short jail term for raping and killing daughter

[Karachi]

I agree, it was an intelligent reply. The only wahhabi worshipper here is you since you groveled in front of them for years in their sand trap.

Domscheit, lets walk through your logic. According to you, somewhere I defended the Saudi monarchy and its ruler appointed scholars, hence aligning myself with the wahhabists. Can you locate where that was said?


You are the complete a-ss clown here since you oscillate between maligning the Arab peoples and their leaders and then claim that you did no such thing. When someone backs you into the corner and points out that your reading and reasoning capabilities are that of a 4th grader at best - you start snorting like a khanzeer and claim that you never said a word about the people.

re-read your dumb-as-s post from above so that you quit contradicting yourself every 4th sentence.

Quit groveling in front of me and go find yourself a fat Canadian who enjoys the smell of spent curry.

The only lazy and arrogant person is yourself - thinking that by being the service agent on a Mobile-Exxon gas plant in the middle of the desert that you somehow understand history and or culture.

Quit wasting my time.

what an idiot like you doesn't understand is that the royals, most saudi public and wahbhis are one, they are united. The saudi royals are in power because of the tribal families support them

read this article and open your eyes

"It is important to note, however, that no one is calling for a revolution or the overthrow of the royal family. During my last visit to the kingdom in December, I heard over and over again that what people want is a more responsive government. Many Saudis want a government that will address issues impacting average citizens, such as unemployment and the rising cost of living expenses. Unlike the populist anti-regime demands in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Libya, and Bahrain, activists in Saudi Arabia are not calling for King Abdullah to step down. To the contrary, the king remains a popular figure among most of the population, regardless of a person’s opinion of the overall government.

To defuse the situation, Riyadh is attacking the problem from multiple angles. After spending three months recuperating from surgery abroad, King Abdullah returned to Saudi Arabia last month and announced a $36 billion package on social welfare. The package includes more assistance for unemployment, housing, and finding new employment, and makes a 15 percent cost-of-living increase for state employees permanent. While people expected the king to announce some sort of public spending project upon his return, the scope and scale of the package was increased in light of developments in Tunisia and Egypt.

The social welfare package will be funded out of Saudi Arabia’s vast foreign currency holdings. According to the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency, the $36 billion package equates to just slightly over 8 percent of the kingdom’s total foreign currency reserves. In other words, despite the very large size of the spending package, it is a manageable cost that won’t dramatically impact the kingdom’s finances.

Changes in the government are also likely to occur with a cabinet reshuffle being announced in the coming days. The current cabinet’s four-year term expired and the king is required to announce a new government. One of the activists’ demands is for the king to name a younger cabinet—the average age of the current government is approximately 65 and several cabinet members are rumored to frequent the hospital on a regular basis. The challenge for the royal court will be to announce a new cabinet without giving the impression that the ministers were named as a concession to the demands of protestors. There has also been more frequent discussion about the introduction of a separate prime minister, although such a development is unlikely in the immediate future"

Revolution Not Headed for Saudi Arabia - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

while indeed there are protests in saudi arabia, it is mostly against the restrictions they have, not against the corrupt royals, nor against america. Most saudi public loves America and they consider America their best friend, especially since after the gulf war because America helped saudi arabia defeat Iraq.

Again you are totally clueless regarding the ground realities there and the gulf region. Anyone who has been to Saudi Arabia or has lived there will let you know what I am saying is correct. You can still keep worshiping them as if they are some holy saints, I dont really care.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I don't think BarakzaiAbdali is a Wahhabi but his response here have failed to use reason and rationality.

On the outset; it is without a doubt and agreed upon at least in so much as this forum is concerned that the proceedings of this trial are contrary to the edicts of Islamic Legal Principles; but the responses which appear to

The Issue here is not whether or not this guy was a sinful crypto-kafir in disguise or a hypocritical Muslim; this is evident and evident in quite a many supposedly "religious" minded people in Muslim societies; Take Mullah Sandwich as a key example in the Af-Pak region for a further blaring example.

The issue here is how the Saudis handled this and how the way they handled this is a travesty to human dignity, human welfare and the concept of justice itself as it reflects upon Islam and shows the disgustingly botched process of justice in the Saudi Kingdom. Their self proclaimed slogan of "we follow Shari'ah law" that they're associating their edicts as intrinsically alligning with Islamic Shari'ah.

There's no reasonable defense for this in any stretch and it appears that there is an attempt here to either defend or side step this with some rant against Islamophobic maligning and other irrelevant issues here. Whether Toramana's agenda here is really to attack Islam is inconsequential; a Young girl died brutally and the people who were supposed to give her justice claiming to hold the keys of the Haramain and bear the torch of Islam have failed to do so. Instead they imposed an edict not theirs to impose. The protests there are valid and should increase.

The absurd and ridiculous comparison to the OJ trials is just a way of scapegoating the matter with a fallacious Tu Qoque-type of response. The practice here is NOTHING ELSE but BLOOD MONEY; not compensation; in OJ's case the compensation was separate from his criminal trial; In this case the Blood Money was a payment as a replacement of punishment against murder. That's what differentiates the two situations. THIS is correctly termed BLOOD MONEY and one where the family of the victim is forced TO accept the compensation rather than choosing to. Why is there a problem with Pashtuns understanding the difference between CHOICE and FORCE, as if the concept of voluntary action is incomprehensible?

Whether Karachi posted a video of scantily clad women serving disgusting fast food does not trivialize that he is very validly pointing at injustice. The women in his video live better lives than this girl did; so perhaps we should be more concerned with the tendency to defend the Macabre and cruel and not women who choose and have the choice to live their lives the wrong way.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

what an idiot like you doesn't understand is that the royals, most saudi public and wahbhis are one, they are united. The saudi royals are in power because of the tribal families support them

read this article and open your eyes

"It is important to note, however, that no one is calling for a revolution or the overthrow of the royal family. During my last visit to the kingdom in December, I heard over and over again that what people want is a more responsive government. Many Saudis want a government that will address issues impacting average citizens, such as unemployment and the rising cost of living expenses. Unlike the populist anti-regime demands in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Libya, and Bahrain, activists in Saudi Arabia are not calling for King Abdullah to step down. To the contrary, the king remains a popular figure among most of the population, regardless of a person’s opinion of the overall government.

To defuse the situation, Riyadh is attacking the problem from multiple angles. After spending three months recuperating from surgery abroad, King Abdullah returned to Saudi Arabia last month and announced a $36 billion package on social welfare. The package includes more assistance for unemployment, housing, and finding new employment, and makes a 15 percent cost-of-living increase for state employees permanent. While people expected the king to announce some sort of public spending project upon his return, the scope and scale of the package was increased in light of developments in Tunisia and Egypt.

The social welfare package will be funded out of Saudi Arabia’s vast foreign currency holdings. According to the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency, the $36 billion package equates to just slightly over 8 percent of the kingdom’s total foreign currency reserves. In other words, despite the very large size of the spending package, it is a manageable cost that won’t dramatically impact the kingdom’s finances.

Changes in the government are also likely to occur with a cabinet reshuffle being announced in the coming days. The current cabinet’s four-year term expired and the king is required to announce a new government. One of the activists’ demands is for the king to name a younger cabinet—the average age of the current government is approximately 65 and several cabinet members are rumored to frequent the hospital on a regular basis. The challenge for the royal court will be to announce a new cabinet without giving the impression that the ministers were named as a concession to the demands of protestors. There has also been more frequent discussion about the introduction of a separate prime minister, although such a development is unlikely in the immediate future"

Revolution Not Headed for Saudi Arabia - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

while indeed there are protests in saudi arabia, it is mostly against the restrictions they have, not against the corrupt royals, nor against america. Most saudi public loves America and they consider America their best friend, especially since after the gulf war because America helped saudi arabia defeat Iraq.

Again you are totally clueless regarding the ground realities there and the gulf region. Anyone who has been to Saudi Arabia or has lived there will let you know what I am saying is correct. You can still keep worshiping them as if they are some holy saints, I dont really care.

Once again, living on a mobile exxon plant where you and your dad were shining Arabo- Caucasian shoes is not "ground level experience."

There are hundreds of documented cases of attacks on Saudi soil done by insiders. There is a whole reference list I posted here not long ago.

The fact that the dead dude in Abbotabod has a high popularity index in the peninsula, and the added fact that Bin Baaz, the Royals, and the said deceased were mortal enemies speaks volumes.

A large number of the Saudi people may be aware of the Carter doctrine and in fact, dissidents who used primarily peaceful means were sanctioned by the UN:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18688045

Saudi police forces are some of the brutal in the world as well.

You are putting words in other people's mouth and oscillating like a jack-as-s again by contradicting yourself like the Bible. Just two posts up you lauded the Saudi people and 4 posts up you accused them of collusion. Now you are back to 4 posts up.

Not rising up in masse against your government doesnt mean you agree with or accept all if its wrongs or rights. Thats true for all governments world round. Over 60% of Americans now oppose the Afghan War. A large number also have issues with Obama's view on gun rights. Does that mean they will rise up in a revolt?

Saints? Who said we were overlooking the general problems or fault lines in the Saudi populace? Who said they were saints? Anyone who has traveled to Hijaz and spent a day in the Haram can vouch for the fact that at least 1 person in your group will be told to "do tawaf around a tree since you dont know Arabic."

That however, does not put all them on par with or in acceptance of brutalizing a 5 year old just as 90%+ of Americans are NOT on par with that army personell who committed the Panjwai massacre. There may be fat, lazy, and ill informed whites in the South but that doesnt make them child killers either.

Once you quit braying like donkey, Crotchee, you might get some traction.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I don't think BarakzaiAbdali is a Wahhabi but his response here have failed to use reason and rationality.

On the outset; it is without a doubt and agreed upon at least in so much as this forum is concerned that the proceedings of this trial are contrary to the edicts of Islamic Legal Principles; but the responses which appear to

The Issue here is not whether or not this guy was a sinful crypto-kafir in disguise or a hypocritical Muslim; this is evident and evident in quite a many supposedly "religious" minded people in Muslim societies; Take Mullah Sandwich as a key example in the Af-Pak region for a further blaring example.

The issue here is how the Saudis handled this and how the way they handled this is a travesty to human dignity, human welfare and the concept of justice itself as it reflects upon Islam and shows the disgustingly botched process of justice in the Saudi Kingdom. Their self proclaimed slogan of "we follow Shari'ah law" that they're associating their edicts as intrinsically alligning with Islamic Shari'ah.

There's no reasonable defense for this in any stretch and it appears that there is an attempt here to either defend or side step this with some rant against Islamophobic maligning and other irrelevant issues here. Whether Toramana's agenda here is really to attack Islam is inconsequential; a Young girl died brutally and the people who were supposed to give her justice claiming to hold the keys of the Haramain and bear the torch of Islam have failed to do so. Instead they imposed an edict not theirs to impose. The protests there are valid and should increase.

The absurd and ridiculous comparison to the OJ trials is just a way of scapegoating the matter with a fallacious Tu Qoque-type of response. The practice here is NOTHING ELSE but BLOOD MONEY; not compensation; in OJ's case the compensation was separate from his criminal trial; In this case the Blood Money was a payment as a replacement of punishment against murder. That's what differentiates the two situations. THIS is correctly termed BLOOD MONEY and one where the family of the victim is forced TO accept the compensation rather than choosing to. Why is there a problem with Pashtuns understanding the difference between CHOICE and FORCE, as if the concept of voluntary action is incomprehensible?

Whether Karachi posted a video of scantily clad women serving disgusting fast food does not trivialize that he is very validly pointing at injustice. The women in his video live better lives than this girl did; so perhaps we should be more concerned with the tendency to defend the Macabre and cruel and not women who choose and have the choice to live their lives the wrong way.

But that is the central issue. My whole goal (and I accomplished it to my own end) was to show Toramana for exactly who and what he is. He could care less that a 5 year old was raped and killed. His goal was two fold:

1) Depict Arabs as crazy camel riding corrupt saracens
2) Indicate that Quranic law is faulty and, implicity, when compared to western edict or supposedly secular derived morals and, inferior in dispensing justice.

He had not read his own article and was surprised to have the sentence cited to him regarding the public's anger regarding mission 1)

and regarding mission 2), he played right into my hand with his subsequent commentary making it clear that his goal was to malign the Quran (here he insinuates that the Saudi courts decision was de facto Islam):

Mullah Barakzai, you got trapped into what Joey_Gladstonezai laid down for you. The article he has quoted contains more incriminating information. What would be your answer to the points below. And my intentions in posting that news were not presenting Arabs or other Muslims in bad light. The article is openly available on the Internet also on the news media of Muslim countries.

I don't think the opinion of a Akhwani would carry more weight than the interpretation of the Wahabi scholar of Saudi court. I would be happy though if you could make him change his verdict and teach him the proper Sharia.

Fayhan Al Ghamdi was held for few months in jail waiting for his trail. Al Ghamdi then was released from prison few days ago. The court ordered him to pay ( Diyah) which is blood money paid for the family of the victim. Ironically, according to the law the Murderer will share the money he is paying since he is the father; he is part of the family.

According to the discriminatory sharia law the Diyah ( the blood money ) must be 400.000 SR if the victim is a male and half of the money which equals 200.000 SR if the victim is a female.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I don't think BarakzaiAbdali is a Wahhabi but his response here have failed to use reason and rationality.

On the outset; it is without a doubt and agreed upon at least in so much as this forum is concerned that the proceedings of this trial are contrary to the edicts of Islamic Legal Principles; but the responses which appear to

The Issue here is not whether or not this guy was a sinful crypto-kafir in disguise or a hypocritical Muslim; this is evident and evident in quite a many supposedly "religious" minded people in Muslim societies; Take Mullah Sandwich as a key example in the Af-Pak region for a further blaring example.

The issue here is how the Saudis handled this and how the way they handled this is a travesty to human dignity, human welfare and the concept of justice itself as it reflects upon Islam and shows the disgustingly botched process of justice in the Saudi Kingdom. Their self proclaimed slogan of "we follow Shari'ah law" that they're associating their edicts as intrinsically alligning with Islamic Shari'ah.

There's no reasonable defense for this in any stretch and it appears that there is an attempt here to either defend or side step this with some rant against Islamophobic maligning and other irrelevant issues here. Whether Toramana's agenda here is really to attack Islam is inconsequential; a Young girl died brutally and the people who were supposed to give her justice claiming to hold the keys of the Haramain and bear the torch of Islam have failed to do so. Instead they imposed an edict not theirs to impose. The protests there are valid and should increase.

The absurd and ridiculous comparison to the OJ trials is just a way of scapegoating the matter with a fallacious Tu Qoque-type of response. The practice here is NOTHING ELSE but BLOOD MONEY; not compensation; in OJ's case the compensation was separate from his criminal trial; In this case the Blood Money was a payment as a replacement of punishment against murder. That's what differentiates the two situations. THIS is correctly termed BLOOD MONEY and one where the family of the victim is forced TO accept the compensation rather than choosing to. Why is there a problem with Pashtuns understanding the difference between CHOICE and FORCE, as if the concept of voluntary action is incomprehensible?

Whether Karachi posted a video of scantily clad women serving disgusting fast food does not trivialize that he is very validly pointing at injustice. The women in his video live better lives than this girl did; so perhaps we should be more concerned with the tendency to defend the Macabre and cruel and not women who choose and have the choice to live their lives the wrong way.

Also the point I am arguing rests in this quote:

"The issue here is how the Saudis handled this and how the way they handled this is a travesty to human dignity, human welfare and the concept of justice itself as it reflects upon Islam and shows the disgustingly botched process of justice in the Saudi Kingdom. Their self proclaimed slogan of "we follow Shari'ah law" that they're associating their edicts as intrinsically alligning with Islamic Shari'ah."

There is a school of thought out there that says we can criticize a people collectively for standing by and doing nothing. For instance, if Albania decides to go to war and executes atrocities - there might even be those in Islamic jurisprudence that would say Albanian citizens are morally responsible for what has happened. Governments are reflections of their people.

However, on an individual level - I think its grossly unfair to each and every Saudi, or each and every American or each and every Peshawari or each and every Qandahari and to say: said atrocity reflects the fact that you are in favor of brutalizing 5 year olds.

In that vein, those same articles I posted regarding the Catholic priests getting off by statutes of limitations would reflect poorly on much of Europe and parts of America - and I for one dont think thats fair. No matter how reprehensible an individual might be from an Islamic moral standpoint (say if they are a bacon eating, gun toting, Bush voting, air polluting Alabaman) that still doesnt mean the worst possible crime can be assumed to be held in esteem by the people.

The article itself notes that the people are upset about the issue - and I have read and tend to agree with your view on the behavior of gulf Arab stereotypes - but that doesnt mean complexities are to be ignored.

If Bahrain is an adequate example, we can see clearly the Carter doctrine plays a major role, as does the security forces algorithm for dealing with even minor dissent - in influencing how people react regarding insurrection.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I don't think BarakzaiAbdali is a Wahhabi but his response here have failed to use reason and rationality.

On the outset; it is without a doubt and agreed upon at least in so much as this forum is concerned that the proceedings of this trial are contrary to the edicts of Islamic Legal Principles; but the responses which appear to

The Issue here is not whether or not this guy was a sinful crypto-kafir in disguise or a hypocritical Muslim; this is evident and evident in quite a many supposedly "religious" minded people in Muslim societies; Take Mullah Sandwich as a key example in the Af-Pak region for a further blaring example.

The issue here is how the Saudis handled this and how the way they handled this is a travesty to human dignity, human welfare and the concept of justice itself as it reflects upon Islam and shows the disgustingly botched process of justice in the Saudi Kingdom. Their self proclaimed slogan of "we follow Shari'ah law" that they're associating their edicts as intrinsically alligning with Islamic Shari'ah.

There's no reasonable defense for this in any stretch and it appears that there is an attempt here to either defend or side step this with some rant against Islamophobic maligning and other irrelevant issues here. Whether Toramana's agenda here is really to attack Islam is inconsequential; a Young girl died brutally and the people who were supposed to give her justice claiming to hold the keys of the Haramain and bear the torch of Islam have failed to do so. Instead they imposed an edict not theirs to impose. The protests there are valid and should increase.

The absurd and ridiculous comparison to the OJ trials is just a way of scapegoating the matter with a fallacious Tu Qoque-type of response. The practice here is NOTHING ELSE but BLOOD MONEY; not compensation; in OJ's case the compensation was separate from his criminal trial; In this case the Blood Money was a payment as a replacement of punishment against murder. That's what differentiates the two situations. THIS is correctly termed BLOOD MONEY and one where the family of the victim is forced TO accept the compensation rather than choosing to. Why is there a problem with Pashtuns understanding the difference between CHOICE and FORCE, as if the concept of voluntary action is incomprehensible?

Whether Karachi posted a video of scantily clad women serving disgusting fast food does not trivialize that he is very validly pointing at injustice. The women in his video live better lives than this girl did; so perhaps we should be more concerned with the tendency to defend the Macabre and cruel and not women who choose and have the choice to live their lives the wrong way.

And the nuances of the OJ case are pretty dramatic if one wants to pull Toramanas left and right. After all, Toramana's whole goal was to plant a "seed of doubt" by insinuating relationships between Islamic Law and outcomes. His original contention had nothing to do with whether Islam was truly represented or in terms of making fair or logical comparisons between law systems in an experimental vs control approach. He basically takes the Old Soldat approach in attempting to label himself a Sufi whereas its obvious he is a baiting atheist and that is exactly why one of the moderators asked folks like him to be clear about what they were insinuating.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/hujra-1...an-what-35728/

So if Toramana throws down an illogical gauntlet (insinuating that Saudi law stands for Quranic law), its only fair for Khushal to answer in kind.

The comparisons between this case and the OJ case are as follows:

Criminal Case: OJ has massive resources and the dream team of lawyers that pretty much gets him acquitted versus the case of Paul Bernard in who committed a near similar crime with no alibi:
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=39567

So OJ basically buys himself a NOT guilty verdict though Bernard had more hard evidence on his side.

OJ then gets sued by the brown-goldmans and ends up shelling out big bucks despite the not guilty charge. They are in a sense, forced to accept OJ's money but not OJ behind bars or in the electrical chair.

Why is it that in a series of interviews the Browns and Goldmans felt that the courts failed them and that they had to settle with bankrupting OJ instead of getting real "hang em up" justice? Isnt that being forced to accept payment in lieu of justice?

Do I think its fair to assign the constitution or Western law codes the blame here? No, because human error pervades all systems.

Does that make the Saudis a better people than the Americans? Does that make the Americans a better people than the Saudis? Unlike Toramana, I wont assume the outcome of an OJ case allows one to make a blanket commentary on the vices and virtues of American Penal Law.

[Toramana]

But that is the central issue. My whole goal (and I accomplished it to my own end) was to show Toramana for exactly who and what he is. He could care less that a 5 year old was raped and killed. His goal was two fold:

1) Depict Arabs as crazy camel riding corrupt saracens
2) Indicate that Quranic law is faulty and, implicity, when compared to western edict or supposedly secular derived morals and, inferior in dispensing justice.

He had not read his own article and was surprised to have the sentence cited to him regarding the public's anger regarding mission 1)

and regarding mission 2), he played right into my hand with his subsequent commentary making it clear that his goal was to malign the Quran:

Mullah Barakzai, you got trapped into what Joey_Gladstonezai laid down for you. The article he has quoted contains more incriminating information. What would be your answer to the points below. And my intentions in posting that news were not presenting Arabs or other Muslims in bad light. The article is openly available on the Internet also on the news media of Muslim countries.

I don't think the opinion of a Akhwani would carry more weight than the interpretation of the Wahabi scholar of Saudi court. I would be happy though if you could make him change his verdict and teach him the proper Sharia.

Fayhan Al Ghamdi was held for few months in jail waiting for his trail. Al Ghamdi then was released from prison few days ago. The court ordered him to pay ( Diyah) which is blood money paid for the family of the victim. Ironically, according to the law the Murderer will share the money he is paying since he is the father; he is part of the family.

According to the discriminatory sharia law the Diyah ( the blood money ) must be 400.000 SR if the victim is a male and half of the money which equals 200.000 SR if the victim is a female.

Barakzai Maulavi Saib, my intentions were not to malign Quran. I am myself a spiritual sufi Muslim. I understand that a lot of things about Islam and Muslims are miss-presented due to politics. But I can also understand that there are many problematic points as well. As long as there is re-interpretation of things and reformist approach, it is ok for me. But I reserve my right to object to anything that is not according to universal human right.

Rest you are just a hypocrite cyber-jehadi sitting in America, enjoying its lavish life-style and opportunities, looking to a lucrative medical career, paying taxes to the infidel system (in your perception) that in your opinion is oppressing Muslims yet want others to die to assuage your psychopathic reactionary feelings of revenge, victim-hood---.

[laevanay]

BaralzaiAbdali... for all the BS you posted.... I seriously think, like the Wahabis you worship that you more than a few screws loose in your head. Lets all pray for him that he gets out of the smoke filled room and sees some like... Reasoning will have no effect on this guy because he is among the, "Sum mun, book mun fahumlayagiwooon"

Oh and by the way my little Atheist Militant, it happens in the West as well:

Priest convicted of rape avoids prison

http://www.wave3.com/story/6530974/p...-avoids-prison

"
The defense argued that other than raping Goodner, Ewing has led a good life and there's no risk of him offending again.
"For the last 30 some odd years, Mr. Ewing, by everybody's estimation, has led an absolutely blameless, positive life," said defense attorney David Lambertus.
The judge agreed, and said probation would be a tougher sentence in the long-run, especially because jail time is not guaranteed.
"They won't hold anybody in the penitentiary on what I consider very serious, dangerous violations and now you compare that to Mr. Ewing who has no criminal history," said Jefferson Circuit Court Judge Martin McDonald."

http://www.priestabusetrial.com/2012...dividuals.html

One of the Sickest Individuals" Gets Away With It

[BarakzaiAbdali]

BaralzaiAbdali... for all the BS you posted.... I seriously think, like the Wahabis you worship that you more than a few screws loose in your head. Lets all pray for him that he gets out of the smoke filled room and sees some like... Reasoning will have no effect on this guy because he is among the, "Sum mun, book mun fahumlayagiwooon"

The only BS around here is the stuff coming out of your brain matter, giving us an idea of exactly what the actual organ is versus what you claim it is.

Nice try with the whole wahhabi loving BS. Show me a single sentence in this thread where I defend the wahhabist scholars versus pretty much the reality on here where I end up putting you and the people like you and your heroine Miss Farhat Taj Andersen in their places. And I will continue to do so.

What we do know is that you yourself fund the "wahhabists" and have Pakhtoogle based in Dubai, not Peshawar. Perhaps when you find yourself based in FATA instead of on Hammad Bin Hammad Bin Hammad street, then you can raise a stink about Arabs to the left and the right of you.

Khan Saib, once your rip off website rises above 1.1 millionth in rank on alexa then you have a place to comment. Until then, best you wander back into the Dubai sands (and by the way I am sure google is a trade mark name but then again you crazy Nazi style secularist marxist become capitalists never did believe in copy right laws ; )).

As noted, the only only ummi amongst the two of us, is you who cannot read and therefore should not write.

Lawanaay implies a level of brilliant or wild craziness... you on the other hand ought to try the screen name ahmak.

[khushal]

The absurd and ridiculous comparison to the OJ trials is just a way of scapegoating the matter with a fallacious Tu Qoque-type of response. The practice here is NOTHING ELSE but BLOOD MONEY; not compensation; in OJ's case the compensation was separate from his criminal trial; In this case the Blood Money was a payment as a replacement of punishment against murder. That's what differentiates the two situations. THIS is correctly termed BLOOD MONEY and one where the family of the victim is forced TO accept the compensation rather than choosing to. Why is there a problem with Pashtuns understanding the difference between CHOICE and FORCE, as if the concept of voluntary action is incomprehensible?
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This is a straw man. I was not talking about this particular case here, but how blood money is mentioned and described. Islam does nto permit blood money in exchange for the criminal to go free. It only gives the choice of capital punishment to the victims kin but that does not mean the criminal is free from punishment.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Barakzai Maulavi Saib, my intentions were not to malign Quran. I am myself a spiritual sufi Muslim. I understand that a lot of things about Islam and Muslims are miss-presented due to politics. But I can also understand that there are many problematic points as well. As long as there is re-interpretation of things and reformist approach, it is ok for me. But I reserve my right to object to anything that is not according to universal human right.

Rest you are just a hypocrite cyber-jehadi sitting in America, enjoying its lavish life-style and opportunities, looking to a lucrative medical career, paying taxes to the infidel system (in your perception) that in your opinion is oppressing Muslims yet want others to die to assuage your psychopathic reactionary feelings of revenge, victim-hood---.

Nice try to save face. Same old garbage in and same old garbage out. Lets see, since I have seen your posting here, I recall multiple times where other less aggressive members tried to have you banned for your brazen disrespect for the Quran itself.

You are anything but a sufi Muslim. A sufi Muslim would hardly think it wise to use racist epitaphs, heap calumny on his own holy book, and try to insinuate the link between Arab race and barbarianism through cherry picking.

You are one to talk about "universal human rights" when you support this dumb skank, Farhat Taj Andersen, in denying "universal human rights" that the rest of the world acknowledges for your own people under daily drones. Proof that you are a hypocrite? Lets see, you still hold a soft spot in your heart for that skank farhat taj andersen who turned out to post an article claiming Malik Munasib Khan was killed by Taliban and the letter firmly rebuked her that he was not dead, looooollll. But you and the rest of the Marxists never had any problems lying before - so we understand that its a survival mechanism. Here is where she gets the crap embarrassed out of her:

http://asiancorrespondent.com/36443/...-of-the-day-2/

Regarding the rest of your post - nice try. The only one here guilty of cowardice and sending people to their deaths is you. Interesting you tout universal human rights but cannot afford that for your adopted country men, the Canadians - who lose skin off their back for you. That is the height of Atheist Ikhwanism from amongst you Marxists come capitalists!

I advocate noninterventionism and you advocate sitting on your butt while your waist line blossoms and youngins world round die for your pet causes.

Lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Lets see you balance your posts with as much criticism of human rights abuses in the West as you do in the Arab world.

By the way, I find it interesting that you and your ilk are obbsessed and maddened by trying to separate a nonexistant link of dependency between Pashtuns and Arabs, yet you hardly ever post human rights abuses in our own areas. Instead, as I noted and as I proved with your earlier post - your obssession is to dehumanize all the Arab peoples and to demonize the Quran.

If we need not be connected to the Arabs then why are you so obsessed with proving them to be subhuman????

Period

[laevanay]

instead of debating with sorrow the death of this poor girl and the tragedy that women are treated less than human by the Wahabists whom this low-life mullah represented we have a dog barking at anything and everything trying to defend his Arab ancestry, for which I do not care...

Can anyone say anything about the injustice that happened to this poor child without calling each other names? Lets admit that this was not
1: Western media
2: Western propaganda
3: It happens in the west so its OK here
4: The guys was a western agent
5: It never happened/The news is fake

Please, anyone?

[faye]

even i can comprehend that barakzai is protesting against the being called a wahhabi, demeaning of the qu'ran and generalised racism against arabs.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

even i can comprehend that barakzai is protesting against the being called a wahhabi, demeaning of the qu'ran and generalised racism against arabs.

You can comprehend because you have no agenda

[BarakzaiAbdali]

instead of debating with sorrow the death of this poor girl and the tragedy that women are treated less than human by the Wahabists whom this low-life mullah represented we have a dog barking at anything and everything trying to defend his Arab ancestry, for which I do not care...

Can anyone say anything about the injustice that happened to this poor child without calling each other names? Lets admit that this was not
1: Western media
2: Western propaganda
3: It happens in the west so its OK here
4: The guys was a western agent
5: It never happened/The news is fake

Please, anyone?

Nice try Ahmaq Saib.

Refer to Gladstone's posted article. The individual in question had minimal if any religious credentials and while I find certain disagreements with the interpretations prevalant in the Hijaz, I challenge you to find generalized of acceptance such an action. To the contrary the earlier lines in the article indicate the population is ANGERED by it.

Arab ancestory? Nice try Mr. Dubai central - running a supposed Pashtun website in the Arab heartland while living off of Arab largesse.

Kphaal zaan hashth aw mushth key de lagawlaay dhaay dha Arabyaano pa jalaa key aw munzh tha talqeenoona awraay.

Who amongst the posters alleged Western involvement and what does that have to do with anything.

The West does whats best for itself while the Pashtuns have dogs like you that Kushaal Khan tried his best to eradicate... but he should have realized that dog sized cockroaches can survive even the best insecticide.