Why are Ahmadis considered non-Muslims in Pakistan

[Dreamer]

he cant answer to save his life! lol please just let him refute all the claims made

[inqilab]

Asif,

Is it true you guys say the Kalimah different?

Read the Arabic



"La ilahah illAllah, Ahmadur Rasulullah"

Ahmad is Mirza ghulam ahmad, their false messiah

[abubaker]

this thread is too one sided, let the poor guy breath

[Dreamer]

^ I think we have shown what Mirza was .... a lier and a deciever,, by default it makes those who accept him non muslim, my friend is a top lad... my best friend in fact but in terms of religion he knws my views

[Dreamer]

this thread is too one sided, let the poor guy breath

there are many more gems for him 2 refute from the mouth of mirza gulham ahmed everything from how mirza thought he was a woman yes its true! to how he was hooked on drugs

[abubaker]

he died on his toilet man that should tell people something

[Dreamer]

lol while they admit that he suffered from cholera they insist he died an honourable way.... Cholera meant he spent practically most of his time doing a number 2... its very possible that it is indeed true that he died on the toilet

[Mayana]

Ismalis and Shia are less of a muslim than Ahmadis.

What standard can we measure that by? A Muslim is a person who believes that there is no God but ALLAH swt and that Mohammas sas is his prophet. Shi'as fulfill that condition, Ahmadis don't.

Considering them Muslims and killing them are two separate issues. They are not considered Muslim because they reject the finality of the Prophet's (Allah bless him and give him peace) prophethood, a fundamental Muslim belief laid out in the Qur'an.

As for vigilante groups attacking and killings Ahmadis, that is wrong and unacceptable.

Quoted for truth =)

Ahmadis are devouted Muslims from what I have witnessed.

Yes, they're very devout, but unfortunately, being born into the faith and brainwashed through COUNTLESS religious functions that take place in their community, they oftentimes don't even see the errors in their religious concept..

I am an Ahmadi, no Ahmadi ever says that Hazrat Mirza Sahib alehesalam is a prophet AFTER Him, but we say that Hazrat Mirza Sahib is a prophet in his Ummat, these are two different things, only if you understand my point then you will no more go against us..

Hello, Asifsyal, welcome to our community, it's nice having you here. I hope you enjoy your stay. =)

I wanted to point out that according to Islam, prophet Mohammad sas is the last prophet - period. There will be no more prophets after him, not for this Ummah not for that Ummah not for any Ummah. Absolutely no prophet at all; Mohammad sas being the final one. Now you said that Ahmadiyyas believe that Hazrat Mirza Sahib is/was a prophet. And evidently, he lived after Mohammad sas, so that clearly goes against Islamic belief of Mohammad sas being the very last prophet, right?
Also, if it was really true.. why would the Shahada say ". . . ashadoo'an Mohammada Rasoolollah." and not something like ". . . ashhadoo'an Ahmad'a Rasoolollah." [astaghfirullah] ?
And one last thing i wanted to point out is that all the prophets have had a miracle with them, Moses as could split the sea, Jesus as could cure people, Mohammas sas had the Qur'an-e kareem. What was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's miracle?

[شمله ور خراساني]

lol while they admit that he suffered from cholera they insist he died an honourable way.... Cholera meant he spent practically most of his time doing a number 2... its very possible that it is indeed true that he died on the toilet

read seeratul mahdi written by ghulam ahmad qadyanis brother. The book describes how he died. It states that he did number 2 on bed, floor, bathroom and toilet. And then died.

[pekhawar]

read seeratul mahdi written by ghulam ahmad qadyanis brother. The book describes how he died. It states that he did number 2 on bed, floor, bathroom and toilet. And then died.

Are you serious?

How can someone be a "Prophet" and die such a way?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and the Qadiyani Sect



AUTHOR: Imaam Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaanee SOURCE: Al-‘Aqeedah At-Tahaawiyyah – Sharh wa Ta’leeq (pg. 39-40) PRODUCED BY: Al-Ibaanah.com
The Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) informed his ummah in many ahaadeeth, advising and cautioning them, that there would be many imposters (Dajjaaleen) after him. In some narrations, he (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “Everyone will claim to be a prophet, whereas I am the seal of the prophets – there being no prophet after me.” [Reported by Muslim and others; See al-Ahaadeeth as-Saheehah: no. 1683]

Amongst these imposters was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Al-Qadiyani who claimed prophethood for himself. He has followers spread throughout India, Germany, England and America. And they have masaajid which they use to misguide the Muslims. There were some individuals amongst them in Syria as well, but Allaah uprooted them and eradicated them.

They have many vile beliefs apart from their belief that prophethood continued after Muhammad (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam). The one who preceded them in this belief is Ibn ‘Arabee, the Sufi. They have authored a treatise on this subject in which they have collected statements from him that serve as support for this afore-mentioned belief of theirs. And the mashaayikh were not able to refute it because it was from that which Ibn ‘Arabee said (!!) even though they asserted with certainty that they were disbelievers. There is no room to mention their beliefs here.

No doubt they are the ones whom the Messenger of Allaah intended when he (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said in the hadeeth that has been authentically reported from him: “There will be lying impostors during the Last Days that will bring you narrations, which neither you nor your forefathers heard of. So beware and let them beware, lest they misguide you and bring calamity upon you.” [Reported by the author (i.e. At-Tahaawee) in Mushkil-ul-Athaar (4/104). It is also found in Saheeh Muslim (1/9)]

From their most distinguishing signs is that when they begin speaking about their Call (i.e. beliefs), before everything, they start out with affirming the death of ‘Eesaa (Jesus). When they are able to accomplish this – according to their perception – they proceed onto the next level, which involves mentioning the ahaadeeth that talk about the descent of ‘Eesaa, and make it clear that that they believe in these narrations. However, they then quickly move on to distorting their meanings by claiming that what is meant by them is the descent of someone similar to ‘Eesaa (Jesus), since they have already established and confirmed – according to their views – that ‘Eesaa (Jesus) died. So they claim that this person was Ghulam Ahmad Al-Qadiyani!

They have many, many other examples of distorting texts similar to this, which leads us to believe that they are a group from amongst the heretical Baatinees. We will point out some of their deviant beliefs soon by the Will of Allaah.

From the misguided beliefs of the Qadiyanis is that they reject the Jinn as being a creation apart from mankind. So they distort the apparent meaning of all the ayaat and ahaadeeth that clearly prove their existence and their distinction from mankind amongst creation, instead claiming that these texts refer to humans themselves or a specific group from amongst mankind. This is even the case with Iblees (i.e. the Devil) himself as they allege that he was a human being that was evil! So how misguided they are!!

Published: January 31, 2006

[Roshina]

Anyone here familiar with the claim that there's a difference between "prophet" and "messenger"? If so, anyone familiar with the arguments regarding which one the prophet was and why? If not, get to studying.

[pekhawar]

What are you trying to say that he was a messenger?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Anyone here familiar with the claim that there's a difference between "prophet" and "messenger"? If so, anyone familiar with the arguments regarding which one the prophet was and why? If not, get to studying.

in arabic, nabi is a prophet. Nabi is derived from an nabba. And Rasul is messenger. It is derived from risallah.

Nabba can be a message. And so can Risallah.

[Roshina]

What are you trying to say that he was a messenger?

Hmm... I don't "try" to say anything, mara. I say exactly what I intend to say.

So I'll say it again:

Anyone here familiar with the claim that there's a difference between "prophet" and "messenger"? If so, anyone familiar with the arguments regarding which one the prophet was and why? If not, get to studying.