Why are Ahmadis considered non-Muslims in Pakistan

[asifsyal]

Asif, can I have a dialogue with you here? I want to learn why you are following Ahmadi sect of Islam.

I am interested in your views my brother.

I follow Islam Ahmadiyyat because this is the true Islam, you see the holy prophet peace be on him had foretold that in the latter days the Muslims will be scattered and would be divided into 72 sects, all of them would be in the fire except one, When the companions asked him that how would we recognize the one sect that is true? He replied that Ma Ana Alahe Wa As-habi means that they will act as I do and my companions do, and the will be reacted as I am reacted and my companions are.

In this case every sect argue that they are the one, but do they meet the words of Rasululah peace be on him,
if you sincerely study the Ahmadiyya Jamat you will be able to decide what is the Only One sect that carries the real Islam..

[Dreamer]

Enemies (meaning Muslims) have become swines of our jungle and their women have become
worse than bitches." (Roohani Khazain vol.14 p.53

[Dreamer]

thats wht your liberal founder thought!.. love for all hatred for none my ***

[Dreamer]

I follow Islam Ahmadiyyat because this is the true Islam, you see the holy prophet peace be on him had foretold that in the latter days the Muslims will be scattered and would be divided into 72 sects, all of them would be in the fire except one, When the companions asked him that how would we recognize the one sect that is true? He replied that Ma Ana Alahe Wa As-habi means that they will act as I do and my companions do, and the will be reacted as I am reacted and my companions are.

In this case every sect argue that they are the one, but do they meet the words of Rasululah peace be on him,
if you sincerely study the Ahmadiyya Jamat you will be able to decide what is the Only One sect that carries the real Islam..

please refute your founders claim regarding his cousin

[Dreamer]

what is the messiah? the word means to rub/ to annoint... in the context of the word it refers 2 a king as kings were annointed with holy oil on commencement of their office in ancient Israel... only Christ will rule the earth hence he is the messiah....

[asifsyal]

In the Holy Quran Allah the almighty says that
The non believers are the sons of adulatory, and the kuffar are Najis, and so on,
what would you say about that?
In fact the Imam of the Time can better understand the nature of the people, and that is not bad words or some thing, that is the true face of the people of that time, for example, hazrat nimatullah wali the well not Muslim Scholar in Dhili, when he used to go the mosque he pulled his cap over his eyes, when he was questioned why did he had to do this? he said that I have to do this because when I look at some people i can just see animals; some body a dog, some one as a pig, and so on, so what would you say about him??

[Dreamer]

your founder claimed pashtuns were hebrew peoples... this is despite the fact that we are an iranic peoples... lol guess he read 1 2 many mughal litrature!

[Dreamer]

he certainly thought a lot of himself
Mahdi is not a student of anybody. I swear that this is exactly my condition. Nobody can prove that any human has taught me Quran." (Roohani Khazain vol 14 p.394) contradicted by
"When I was 6-7 yrears old, a persian teacher was employed for me who taught me Holy Quran ....and his name was Fazal Ilahi." (Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.180)

his slandering the REAL messiah

"(Jesus) had the habit of uttering obscenities and frequently using foul language." (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain , Vol 11 p.289 )
"It should be remembered that he (Jesus) had also to some extent the habit of lying." (Zamima Anjam Atham, Roohani Khazain Vol 11 p. 289)
"A cunning and wicked (person) who had the soul of the Messiah from head to toe." (Zamimah Anjam Atham, Roohani Khazain Vol 11 p. 289 )

and
What is your opinion about the character of the Messiah? (it is that Jesus ) was an Alcoholic and Gluttonous person, neither Abstinent nor a Pious Worshipper, nor a Truth seeker. He was a Proud and a Self- conceited Claimant of Divinity." (Nur-ul-Quran, Roohani Khazain Vol 9 p.387)
"The root cause of all the damage that alcohol consumption has had on the Europeans was that Jesus used to drink alcohol, perhaps because of some disease or an old habit." (Kashti-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain vol 19 p.71)
Jesus had an inclination for prostitutes, perhaps due to his ancestral relationship with them, otherwise no pious man could allow a young prostitute to touch his head with her filthy hands, and massage his head with the unclean perfume purchased with the earnings of adultery and rub his feet with her hair. Let the intelligent judge what sort of character such a person must possess." (Zamimah Anjam Atham, Roohani Khazain Vol 11 p.291)

[Dreamer]

God forgive me for posting this filth but the lier mirza has 2 be exposed

[Dreamer]

and you wonder why they are non muslim when they follow the man who uttered such rubbish... reffernces are provided so look them up for youself!

[asifsyal]

Interesting, Asif Jaan, can you show us where in the Quran or hadith it says that we need a messiah which will be Ghulam sahab?

Most of the Muslims today say that we do not need any reformer or any Messiah while the Sharia is completed,

Allah swt says in the Sura Jumma that this is the first Advent of the Holy Prophet peace be on him, and he has a second advent too, this is only what could be understood from those verses, while he was explaining these verses the companions asked him about this, He did not replied until the question was repeated three times so that every one understand the question, and he demonstrated this as he put his hand over the shoulder of Salman Farsi raziallah anho, and then said, even if the Iman has taken up to the sky it will be the Imam Mahdi who will bring it back to the earth,

so in this hadis or in this verse it is cleared that the holy prophet peace be on him and Allah swt himself had foretold that one day the Umma will lose Iman and they will need a Messiah who will help them.

[Dreamer]

here he insults the blessed virgin and pashtuns in one go!

Mary's going out with her fiancé, Joseph, before wedlock is a strong proof of this Israelite custom. Going out with fiancé amongst the noble ones in some Frontier Tribes has exceeded the limits to such an extent that sometimes pregnancy results before wedlock but is not looked down upon." (Ayyam-us-Sulh, Roohani Khazain vol 14 p.300)

[Dreamer]

perhaps he would like 2 defend what mirza said about the real prophets see my previous posts with refferences....

[asifsyal]

he certainly thought a lot of himself
Mahdi is not a student of anybody. I swear that this is exactly my condition. Nobody can prove that any human has taught me Quran." (Roohani Khazain vol 14 p.394) contradicted by
"When I was 6-7 yrears old, a persian teacher was employed for me who taught me Holy Quran ....and his name was Fazal Ilahi." (Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.180)

his slandering the REAL messiah

"(Jesus) had the habit of uttering obscenities and frequently using foul language." (Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain , Vol 11 p.289 )
"It should be remembered that he (Jesus) had also to some extent the habit of lying." (Zamima Anjam Atham, Roohani Khazain Vol 11 p. 289)
"A cunning and wicked (person) who had the soul of the Messiah from head to toe." (Zamimah Anjam Atham, Roohani Khazain Vol 11 p. 289 )

and
What is your opinion about the character of the Messiah? (it is that Jesus ) was an Alcoholic and Gluttonous person, neither Abstinent nor a Pious Worshipper, nor a Truth seeker. He was a Proud and a Self- conceited Claimant of Divinity." (Nur-ul-Quran, Roohani Khazain Vol 9 p.387)
"The root cause of all the damage that alcohol consumption has had on the Europeans was that Jesus used to drink alcohol, perhaps because of some disease or an old habit." (Kashti-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain vol 19 p.71)
Jesus had an inclination for prostitutes, perhaps due to his ancestral relationship with them, otherwise no pious man could allow a young prostitute to touch his head with her filthy hands, and massage his head with the unclean perfume purchased with the earnings of adultery and rub his feet with her hair. Let the intelligent judge what sort of character such a person must possess." (Zamimah Anjam Atham, Roohani Khazain Vol 11 p.291)

The work that Imam Mehdi was to do was not so simple that could be taught by any primary teacher, a child of 6 or 7 years can not ever learn the philosophy of the teaching of Islam, a child can not write a comprehensive commentary of the Sura Fatha that was a challenge for the Arabs too, when he says that the mahdi did not need a teacher because Allah himself was his teacher, so that means only to teach these sophisticated matters, not the ones that you are still trying to learn but can not.
a bad tempered person do not understand these thimgs.
I repeatedly answered you that what He said about Jesus, it is originally written in the bible, it is not he who said these but it is the bible that says these thing about Jesus,
You may not even now understand my point, but I hope a sane man will surely understand my point and will agree to this, and that was the reason that motivated me to do turn again towards your silly ideas..

[Dreamer]

the work that imam mehdi was to do was not so simple that could be taught by any primary teacher, a child of 6 or 7 years can not ever learn the philosophy of the teaching of islam, a child can not write a comprehensive commentary of the sura fatha that was a challenge for the arabs too, a bad tempered person do not understand these thimgs.
I repeatedly answered you that what he said about jesus, it is originally written in the bible, it is not he who said these but it is the bible that says these thing about jesus,
you may not even now understand my point, but i hope a sane man will surely understand my point and will agree to this, and that was the reason that motivated me to do turn again towards your silly ideas..

that is what your founder claimed.... Refferences are provided.... Look them up ....