The Mu'tazilah, Founders of the Islamic Golden Age

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Revolutionthrough ifnorance is preaching non sense. Reason and logic needs an atmosphere or an environment to flourish. you build that environment or create that atmosphere and it will naturally flourish.

and the Taliban could never create such an environment even with Mullah Omar having dreams of Nabi(saw).

[khushal]

and the Taliban could never create such an environment even with Mullah Omar having dreams of Nabi(saw).

so where were you guys then

[RevolutionThroughReason]

so where were you guys then

we were ignored because the Status Quo was being funded by Pakistani and Saudi dirty money.

[Friend]

so where were you guys then

They were only talking and criticising. Their best hobby

[RevolutionThroughReason]

They were only talking and criticising. Their best hobby

ou criticize the west all the time, why are you still in the West?

[Friend]

ou criticize the west all the time, why are you still in the West?

Irrelevant

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Irrelevant

very relevant, you're not against criticizing, you just don't like it when it exposes the weaknesses of your ideas and beliefs

[khushal]

we were ignored because the Status Quo was being funded by Pakistani and Saudi dirty money.

werent you listening to heavy metal music and didnt even know what was happening in afghanistan.

but why were you ignored, why were you not in the pakistani and saudi establishment pulling strings. are you guys responsible for the successful thrust of the chinese society to the world stage?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

werent you listening to heavy metal music and didnt even know what was happening in afghanistan.

but why were you ignored, why were you not in the pakistani and saudi establishment pulling strings. are you guys responsible for the successful thrust of the chinese society to the world stage?

Not anymore of you listening to rap music and whining about how evil the West is whiile you collected welfare in America.

If you're talking about my background. I only embraced Mu'tazilah thinking after research and study so back then I had no idea what Mu'tazilah was, I was merely told stuff similar to what Afghanistan2010 was taught (note I said similar not same). My father however told me not to take that stuff too seriously because these were "just opinions" in his view and that I should always question even what a Mullah says. In time I started to find the Mu'tazilah teachings as they themselves conceptualized it, not the slander and misrepresentations that individuals like afghanistan2010 give to it. I saw it made more sense, not merely blindly following something, but being analytical.I'm only the beginning of a new revolution, Mu'tazilah is a revivalism of something dormant.

[khushal]

Not anymore of you listening to rap music and whining about how evil the West is whiile you collected welfare in America.

If you're talking about my background. I only embraced Mu'tazilah thinking after research and study so back then I had no idea what Mu'tazilah was, I was merely told stuff similar to what Afghanistan2010 was taught (note I said similar not same). My father however told me not to take that stuff too seriously because these were "just opinions" in his view and that I should always question even what a Mullah says. In time I started to find the Mu'tazilah teachings as they themselves conceptualized it, not the slander and misrepresentations that individuals like afghanistan2010 give to it. I saw it made more sense, not merely blindly following something, but being analytical.I'm only the beginning of a new revolution, Mu'tazilah is a revivalism of something dormant.

When did I listen to rap music or collected welfare? your assuming about people which is sin, what kind of a mutazalah are you? you still need alot of training.

I am talking about "reason and logic." where were they during the time of need. What happens to reason and logic during war. Why does it disappear.
Why is America full of reason and logic, are you guys running the show in America?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

When did I listen to rap music or collected welfare? your assuming about people which is sin, what kind of a mutazalah are you? you still need alot of training.

I am talking about "reason and logic." where were they during the time of need. What happens to reason and logic during war. Why does it disappear.
Why is America full of reason and logic, are you guys running the show in America?

I made an educated assumption based on your psychology; generally Taliban supporters in the west come from background which is heavily influenced by drug/rap culture, and these same individuals collect welfare very often too. I would have even said you smoke/use drugs, but I didn't want to be too aggravating. reason and logic were repressed from us by individuals like the Taliban, the so called scholars who were patronizing them, they wanted us to hate learning and only follow things blindly, they tried to make us scared of reason and logic saying that these things lead to Shaitan and that only what they say is holy and sacred. So we stopped relying them. Eventually men like myself realized these were lies and it was just a tool that Taliban-types (notice I am not necessarily saying Taliban themselves exclusively) used to control the minds of others and the information they received.

Reason and Logic are tools, it's up to people to use them, Is it running the show in America? No, but that's because people do not want to apply it.

[khushal]

I made an educated assumption based on your psychology; generally Taliban supporters in the west come from background which is heavily influenced by drug/rap culture, and these same individuals collect welfare very often too. I would have even said you smoke/use drugs, but I didn't want to be too aggravating. reason and logic were repressed from us by individuals like the Taliban, the so called scholars who were patronizing them, they wanted us to hate learning and only follow things blindly, they tried to make us scared of reason and logic saying that these things lead to Shaitan and that only what they say is holy and sacred. So we stopped relying them. Eventually men like myself realized these were lies and it was just a tool that Taliban-types (notice I am not necessarily saying Taliban themselves exclusively) used to control the minds of others and the information they received.

Reason and Logic are tools, it's up to people to use them, Is it running the show in America? No, but that's because people do not want to apply it.

That's not an educated guess since you know close to nothing about me.

so what your saying is that a bunch of nitwits with limited or no education beat you guys with gigantic brains and PHDs in winning over the population. How could they(with no "reason and logic") beat you guys(with reason and logic).
What happened to you guys, did you guys fall asleep or are you guys just incompetent.

[Friend]

I made an educated assumption based on your psychology; generally Taliban supporters in the west come from background which is heavily influenced by drug/rap culture, and these same individuals collect welfare very often too. I would have even said you smoke/use drugs, but I didn't want to be too aggravating. reason and logic were repressed from us by individuals like the Taliban, the so called scholars who were patronizing them, they wanted us to hate learning and only follow things blindly, they tried to make us scared of reason and logic saying that these things lead to Shaitan and that only what they say is holy and sacred. So we stopped relying them. Eventually men like myself realized these were lies and it was just a tool that Taliban-types (notice I am not necessarily saying Taliban themselves exclusively) used to control the minds of others and the information they received.

Reason and Logic are tools, it's up to people to use them, Is it running the show in America? No, but that's because people do not want to apply it.

The reason and logic that you are talking about is limited only to talks, practically it can be applied only in science but it can not be applied into religious matters because religion is neither mathematics nor science where you apply and explore knowledge on and from matter. but religion is a set of beliefs in unseen, prime goal to establish a welfare Islamic state through some specified and unspecified laws, ethics, politics and so on.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

That's not an educated guess since you know close to nothing about me.

so what your saying is that a bunch of nitwits with limited or no education beat you guys with gigantic brains and PHDs in winning over the population. How could they(with no "reason and logic") beat you guys(with reason and logic).
What happened to you guys, did you guys fall asleep or are you guys just incompetent.

That's a very educated guess, I know stuff about you from your pattern of posts and things you claim of yourself, your geographic whereabouts, your sympathies.

Here is your commentary where you try to justify rap music as apart of Afghan culture, just because tappa aw landay have rhythm.

actually rap just means to talk in rhythem, so in reality lughat is rap.

LOL

No, that's not what I am saying at all, what I am saying is that Manipulative people used False representation of religion; to keep people dumbed down, through things like the Taliban, to prevent them from acquiring better intellect, because that would lead to their loss of power.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The reason and logic that you are talking about is limited only to talks, practically it can be applied only in science but it can not be applied into religious matters because religion is neither mathematics nor science where you apply and explore knowledge on and from matter. but religion is a set of beliefs in unseen, prime goal to establish a welfare Islamic state through some specified and unspecified laws, ethics, politics and so on.

Actually you can apply logic in religion; because it's the way of thinking. If religion is supposed to help improve people, it has to be applied in a way to improve people, not harm them. If something causes harm it cannot be useful. Now in real world we see somethings are more useful than others or more harmful, it happens in varying degrees. So we apply which produces the most benefit and least harm. This is logic, i f it beneficial then it's useful. Likewise A State is a real life construct, which infuences how things operate in the physical world; these are not "unseen" but "seen". Therefore how religion is used depends on logic and reason because religion pertains to the seen. The beliefs in the unseen is just something Philosphers discuss, which can also have logic/reason applied, but it is more analytical and speculative, in that it is based on more abstract hypothesis.

But logic in religion is always necessary, that is why you have Qiyas in Islam, to use logic.