The Mu'tazilah, Founders of the Islamic Golden Age

[faye]

i am sure that many muslims working in the fields of mathematics and science etc, making discoveries. it is just that today, they are needing to go to the west to do the studies and develop their potential. so it seems.

first off, the muslims seem to need to stop the predjudice, hating and fighting each other

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Mu'tazilah are deviants.

excellently summarized in this speech on Imam Bukharis life.

http://downloads2.nadeemdownloads.co...2%20of%202.mp3

The opinions of Wahhabis don't hold merit amongst mainstream Muslims. These are the same guys who think Taliban beating women in the streets is Shar'ah and that Taliban suiicide bombers are martyrs. They also think God literally sits on a throne in the sky. If that isn't deviant, what is?

[Friend]

The opinions of Wahhabis don't hold merit amongst mainstream Muslims. These are the same guys who think Taliban beating women in the streets is Shar'ah and that Taliban suiicide bombers are martyrs. They also think God literally sits on a throne in the sky. If that isn't deviant, what is?

If wahabis don't hold merit amongst mainstream Muslims, deobandis don't, barevlits don't, sunni don't, shia don't then who else Mutazilah does ?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

If wahabis don't hold merit amongst mainstream Muslims, deobandis don't, barevlits don't, sunni don't, shia don't then who else Mutazilah does ?

No Sunnis do, Mu'tazilah are sunnis of course. Just extremists like Wahhabis do not Even some deobandis and some barelwis are good. It depends on how extreme their views are.

[Friend]

No Sunnis do, Mu'tazilah are sunnis of course. Just extremists like Wahhabis do not Even some deobandis and some barelwis are good. It depends on how extreme their views are.

Well I have not come across an extreme and stubborn guy like you. Then why you are blaming others. You better review and rectify yourself.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Well I have not come across an extreme and stubborn guy like you. Then why you are blaming others. You better review and rectify yourself.

Because I'm against killing innocent Muslims and I promote helping Muslims progress. This is normal, but Suicide bombing, beating women ....this is extreme.

see the stuff that is extreme is the stuff that harms people

[Friend]

Because I'm against killing innocent Muslims and I promote helping Muslims progress. This is normal, but Suicide bombing, beating women ....this is extreme.

see the stuff that is extreme is the stuff that harms people

You want people to sit like ducks but this does not normally happen in a time of war.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You want people to sit like ducks but this does not normally happen in a time of war.

I expect people to fight like real Muslims; not cowardly acts like suicide bombing. If you fight fight with Sharafah, not like a kafir.

[Friend]

I expect people to fight like real Muslims; not cowardly acts like suicide bombing. If you fight fight with Sharafah, not like a kafir.

So will they be fine if they fight without s.bombing ?

[randolph85]

So will they be fine if they fight without s.bombing ?

muslims would not have to resort to suicide bombings that put civilians in risk if muslims had not been lazy for the last 400 years. economically, socially, politically, technologically, scientifically.

if america tried to invade china, do you think the chinese will respond with suicide bombings long after their land has been occupied or respond with a complete onslaught of modern technological prowess that puts america at a loss before they even touched their shores?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

So will they be fine if they fight without s.bombing ?

You're less likely to kill civilian Muslims that way, at least less people will be harmed.

[کیش]

Mutazilah, Wahhabi, Deobandi, Salafi, Twelver, blah blah blah.

3:7

Sahih International: It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

"Mutazilli', is guilty as is every sect that they know the "right" interpretation of the Quran. Yes right, only god knows and the smart ones believe in it and the schismatic's reason with it. The former is the right path, the latter not so.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The only difference is that Mu'tazilah isn't a sect, it's just a way of looking at things. And Mu'tazilah ignored sectarian differences between Sunnis and Shi'a for the greater good of society. The right path is the one that benefits the most. this is knowledge God has given us. Mu'tazilah thinking, helped create Vast Empires for Muslims, wealth, knowledge and understanding, science, mathematics. All the positives of the endeavors of humanity.

Wahhabis are a sect, they have murdered Muslims for reasons as little as how long someone's beard is or whether they have big grave stones. we know a tree by its fruit. The fruit of others has been sour.

[کیش]

Every sect says they are not a sect, but "a way of looking at things." drop the reasoning, and rely your knowledge on the believe of the all-mighty. The Israelite's lost their kingdom several times, because of their lack of believing (following) of the commandments sent forth. Muslims lost their kingdom's essentialy the same way the Hebrews did. Muslims cared not for the words of the Quran, but the meaning behind those verses. This is the reason why Islam is in a decadent state. And lost their empires of the past.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

No, not every sect does this; show me that Shi'a/Sunni/Wahhabi/Ismaili say it's "not a sect" but a "way of looking at things". The Muslims of the past lost because they stopped caring about learning and improving themselves. Muslims had plenty of religiosity, there was a time when the Qur'an was the only book people bothered to read, when all they did was pray, fast and pray more. All good things, but did that cure diseases, build economies or fight wars? No, it was intellectual laziness. Religiosity does nothing in itself. IT was the Muslims desire to grow which was why they were initially successful, it was the Muslims desire to be stagnant that lead to their downfall. Not avoiding the Qur'an, because there was plenty of that