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  • #46
    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
    That is somewhat of an oversimplication of Mutazilah views of reason/logic, bu we can discuss that. Whatever else you stated is very sound.
    ok, since we are on this subject.
    What do Mutazzilah think of miracles? like when moses turned the stick into a snake, the parting of the Red Sea, the miracles of jesus walking on water, the journey of Mairage and so on?

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    • #47
      Mr. RevolvingaroundReason falls in the category of those who consider themselves to be the only best Muslims of the time and he is trying his level best to prove that Mutazillah is the only best group of Muslims. The rest are either kafir or deviated from the right path.
      But he forgets the fact that throughout Muslims history Mutazillah has been less than 5% of the Muslims and the rest of 95% Muslims have refuted them.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Friend View Post
        Mr. RevolvingaroundReason falls in the category of those who consider themselves to be the only best Muslims of the time and he is trying his level best to prove that Mutazillah is the only best group of Muslims. The rest are either kafir or deviated from the right path.
        But he forgets the fact that throughout Muslims history Mutazillah has been less than 5% and the rest of 95% have refuted them.
        we don't go around takfiring people that's the Wahhabis job. Several corrections. There are certain ideas which are kufr, which Taliban embrace sadly.

        a.) Mutazilah were the basis of the Abbassiyah Khilafah, the science, knowledge in the Muslim world and most positive aspects of Islamic history is rooted in them. This is the essence of Islam, and this makes it greater than 5%. You can say in terms of chronology Mu'taziliyeen were from 700-1500 A.D. in terms of their primacy, but this is 50%

        b.) Everyone claims they refuted Mu'taziliah, but no one has ever given a logical proof of this. Only people barking so really the 95% were just barking, not refuting. Refuting needs logic and evidence. Barking just needs barking and rhetoric.
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #49
          I find extreme arrogance in this guy's posts and extreme hatred for their opponents.
          How can you be the perfect Muslim or from a perfect Muslims group ? Be humble and talk gently only then you can create room in our hearts.

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          • #50
            I dont know about this mutazilah stuff but revolution/scimitar reminds me of this guy in this interview:
            Scientology Tom Cruise Unreleased Interview - YouTube

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            • #51
              thats the funny video but this is the real one: It kind of sounds like what this revolutionthrougharrogance is preaching
              Tom Cruise Scientology Video - ( Original UNCUT ) - YouTube

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              • #52
                Originally posted by badmash_khel View Post
                ok, since we are on this subject.
                What do Mutazzilah think of miracles? like when moses turned the stick into a snake, the parting of the Red Sea, the miracles of jesus walking on water, the journey of Mairage and so on?

                According to Imam Zamakhshari, who wrote the Tafsir Al-Kashshaf;he spiritually/mentally made the Mi'raj, but physically remained in the same place. I believe there are similar explanations for other miracles; but I will have to do some more research.
                Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 07-16-2012, 02:50 PM.
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  I dont know about this mutazilah stuff but revolution/scimitar reminds me of this guy in this interview:
                  why must you derail? over compensating for something?
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Friend View Post
                    I find extreme arrogance in this guy's posts and extreme hatred for their opponents.
                    How can you be the perfect Muslim or from a perfect Muslims group ? Be humble and talk gently only then you can create room in our hearts.


                    It doesn't have to be perfect; but produce better results. Taliban murdered people and made them scared of Islam and drove them into kufrMutazilah, gave people knowledge and made Muslims a powerful force against the kufar.

                    which would you choose between the two?
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #55
                      Khushaal is great. very true very true hahahahahhaha.
                      The true definition of the word "Resemblance" in this video with schimitar lol

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Friend View Post
                        Khushaal is great. very true very true hahahahahhaha.
                        The true definition of the word "Resemblance" in this video with schimitar lol


                        Show logical proof that this is correct
                        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                          It doesn't have to be perfect; but produce better results. Taliban murdered people and made them scared of Islam and drove them into kufrMutazilah, gave people knowledge and made Muslims a powerful force against the kufar.

                          which would you choose between the two?
                          This guy is suffering from Taliban fobia lol. In his eyes there are only two Muslims groups one mutazilah and another is taliban, the first one is momineen and the other is kufr.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Friend View Post
                            This guy is suffering from Taliban fobia lol. In his eyes there are only two Muslims groups one mutazilah and another is taliban, the first one is momineen and the other is kufr.
                            It's just a matter of simple evidence and logic and not phobia. Taliban ruin Muslim society. Mutazilah helped create progress. It's simple. Taliban just belong in mental institution where they can dream about how long to grow their beards and beating women.
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                              It's just a matter of simple evidence and logic and not phobia. Taliban ruin Muslim society. Mutazilah helped create progress. It's simple. Taliban just belong in mental institution where they can dream about how long to grow their beards and beating women.
                              Very apt comment---I think there cannot be any revival of Muslim Khodi until Muslims start producing knowledge at the same level as others---a need for another Mutazilaid's movement.

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                              • #60
                                Mu'tazilah are deviants.

                                excellently summarized in this speech on Imam Bukharis life.

                                http://downloads2.nadeemdownloads.co...2%20of%202.mp3

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