NOI are a bunch of clowns. They Killed brother Malcolm X. Read his autobiography, Hakim.
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It does, you think how you're taught to see the Qur'an is what the Qur'an is; but the way i understand it, if God created Nature and the Qur'an how can they be in conflict? The overwhelming evidence shows that evolution happened, that isn't a hypothesis, first there was the hypothesis THEN the evidence to support it. That must mean the Qur'an must be saying something different than what you understand of it.Originally posted by کیش View PostThat doesn't even make sense.[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.
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Guys if you haven't figured it out yet, Hakim just says a bunch of nonsense to troll the forum. He's even admitted this before. Don't try to engage in a serious debate with him, he's clowning you guys.
Just a heads up.[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.
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The Quran is quite clear. Your suppose to follow the words of it, like it was mentioned. You have what it looks like weak faith if your believe in nature than what was communicated from god to the Messenger.
Evolution is a hypothesis about creation; if God didn't mention it, then I don't believe in it. If the Lord says it is true, then that is only when I will believe in it.
Evolution is the apple that tempted Eve then Adam.
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The careful observer needs not to be warned.Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View PostGuys if you haven't figured it out yet, Hakim just says a bunch of nonsense to troll the forum. He's even admitted this before. Don't try to engage in a serious debate with him, he's clowning you guys.
Just a heads up.
One can clearly see what I am doing here.
For example, I thanked both yours and Kaish's posts when you were arguing with each other.
That is what I do and have been doing throughout my life. I like to start and maintain fights between people, but only sometimes.
Other times I am serious.
Anyway, I thought we were allied?Dark Vader Ghost King El Malo Camello Papa
Pro-Black is Pro-Righteous!
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we are., that's why I don't come down as hard on you as I do with some other members on hereOriginally posted by حکیم خان اورګونی View PostThe careful observer needs not to be warned.
One can clearly see what I am doing here.
For example, I thanked both yours and Kaish's posts when you were arguing with each other.
That is what I do and have been doing throughout my life. I like to start and maintain fights between people, but only sometimes.
Other times I am serious.
Anyway, I thought we were allied?
[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.
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yeah by trying to use the uneducated Mullah tactic of "scaring" people into conformity. it doesn't work on me thoughOriginally posted by کیش View PostI am not "arguing" with Mahmoud, just having a friendly conversation with another brother.
[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.
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Originally posted by کیش View PostThe Quran is quite clear. Your suppose to follow the words of it, like it was mentioned. You have what it looks like weak faith if your believe in nature than what was communicated from god to the Messenger.
Evolution is a hypothesis about creation; if God didn't mention it, then I don't believe in it. If the Lord says it is true, then that is only when I will believe in it.
Evolution is the apple that tempted Eve then Adam.
That's the thing though, you can't "follow" the words about how God created things, those aren't orders.
and don't pull this "weak faith" card on me; ....for you to suggest that somehow Nature exists beyond God demonstrates that somehow you think Nature would contradict God, which means you're ignoring God's position as Creator. That would characterize weak faith, not my position.
The whole "evolution is what tempted eve" is just an uneducated Mullah scare tactic; which by the way is NOT stated in the Qur'an that's YOUR OWN spin, reinforcing what said earlier and contradicting your own advice.[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.
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If the Mullah tactic is promoting what was communicated from Allah to Muhammad (PBUH), then I am guilty of that.Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Postyeah by trying to use the uneducated Mullah tactic of "scaring" people into conformity. it doesn't work on me though
I am saying you are tempted by the juicy apple that the lord ordered Adam and Eve not to eat. Ibliss did a heck of a job if he got Adam to bite it even after getting lecture by the lord personally.
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There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
Sayyid Qutb
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It's weak faith when you don't belief the mentioning of how God created Adam.Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View PostThat's the thing though, you can't "follow" the words about how God created things, those aren't orders.
and don't pull this "weak faith" card on me; ....for you to suggest that somehow Nature exists beyond God demonstrates that somehow you think Nature would contradict God, which means you're ignoring God's position as Creator. That would characterize weak faith, not my position.
The whole "evolution is what tempted eve" is just an uneducated Mullah scare tactic; which by the way is NOT stated in the Qur'an that's YOUR OWN spin, reinforcing what said earlier and contradicting your own advice.
I'm sure the apple tastes good.
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