Is this what you call hijab?

[Tjanaparh]

Please my friends - lets get not out of discussion and stay in a good tone.

First of all generalizing is not right in no ways!
Second - there are almost only few nations on the world that are not hated.
Mostly you will find hatred among people for one or other nation.
That has surely historical reasons and some are undrstandable, but understandable only as reason, a clever person should look out of schems, hstorical events and so on, and be able to see a person out of what he proclaims or is proclaimed to be - maybe he even does not fit in reality in what he proclaims or is proclaimed to be!?
Often for example there is racism due to someones own weaknes, but hate is the wrong path!
The right path is to get active and strong and avoid someones own errors - as erson, as nation , as mankind!

I would like to get out of offendings and stay on the theme.
If You ask to me however, I would say that most Afghans in Europe I knew, and they are not few, did not cover their hair, or if only in a light way.
I met much more Turkish, Arabic form north Africa, African nations who cover their hair in Europe.
Do not take it please as offending - it is a personal experience and may be different for other people, however i met Pashuns, Uzbeks, Tajiks and Hazara from Afghanistan and in different places, and most are mong my closer circle of friends.

Me as non-Muslim, my belief system is not based on rules or commandments, but mostly our understanding of belief would see a person who tries to attract somenes view with appearance as non-trustable and weak.
For me counts the simplicity and honesty in this way - for example some Daghestani girls I have seen, strictly cover every thing, except face, but then they wear such clothes that there is no difference to walk half naked on the street, this is like "trying to cheat yourself".

[Khostai]

This is sad. You should be proud of your Islamic herritage and follow it as most Muslims should. It gives bad example if they are too western and also give them big dangers.

There is whole fashion in hijaab industry and I find a modest women more beautiful than what I see in west and some movies. I would be very angry if my many sister's or wife did not wear proper Islamic clothings. Because it is shame for family. It also gives respect for women something they lack in the west.

For me and my relatives it is a shame is when you treat your woman as personal slave, look at peopel who arw not muslim as inhuman being not respectful to others and not studieng or working, that is shameful and not to forget drinking alcohol going to the clubs hang the **** like most arabs do in Europe, or worse killing and raping and other criminal activities. I am so glad that pashtun even if we adopted some western custome we still don't do the half of the fraction that arabs and morocons do behind close doors....

[KingOfAriana]

bottom line is Pashtuns are even more conservative muslims than most arabs so this guy is totally lost in understanding what pashtun means.

Not.

[KingOfAriana]

yes they are ,you are not.
go to any city or town in Afghanistan and see for yourself.
they are much more conservative than most arabs.

btw we love arabs and all other muslims from aroudn the world.
matter of fact we have arabs in Afghanistan living like Pashtuns.
so i would say those arabs are more than you and khostai.

Wel, after you said we love arabs I knew you arent afghan of pashtun. Done saying that, and we are not more conservative than wahabi arabs, some of us are for sure, most arent. And afghans hate arabs. And there are no arabs in afghanistan. those are foreigners.

[Khostai]

Please my friends - lets get not out of discussion and stay in a good tone.

First of all generalizing is not right in no ways!
Second - there are almost only few nations on the world that are not hated.
Mostly you will find hatred among people for one or other nation.
That has surely historical reasons and some are undrstandable, but understandable only as reason, a clever person should look out of schems, hstorical events and so on, and be able to see a person out of what he proclaims or is proclaimed to be - maybe he even does not fit in reality in what he proclaims or is proclaimed to be!?
Often for example there is racism due to someones own weaknes, but hate is the wrong path!
The right path is to get active and strong and avoid someones own errors - as erson, as nation , as mankind!

I would like to get out of offendings and stay on the theme.
If You ask to me however, I would say that most Afghans in Europe I knew, and they are not few, did not cover their hair, or if only in a light way.
I met much more Turkish, Arabic form north Africa, African nations who cover their hair in Europe.
Do not take it please as offending - it is a personal experience and may be different for other people, however i met Pashuns, Uzbeks, Tajiks and Hazara from Afghanistan and in different places, and most are mong my closer circle of friends.

Me as non-Muslim, my belief system is not based on rules or commandments, but mostly our understanding of belief would see a person who tries to attract somenes view with appearance as non-trustable and weak.
For me counts the simplicity and honesty in this way - for example some Daghestani girls I have seen, strictly cover every thing, except face, but then they wear such clothes that there is no difference to walk half naked on the street, this is like "trying to cheat yourself".

This peopel think that Pashtun are die hard extreme muslim like taliban back home, but belive me majority like any peopel Pashtuns are moderate and really adapting peopel, we can survive in any culture and surcumstance, they think that majority of Pashtun women are coverd in niqab like arabs and that men have long beards -_-. That's not the case I personaly don't care if they do that but the reality is difrent in Europe and in US.

[KingOfAriana]

Come to europe, and see how modern most of us Afghans live, most Europeans themself even got a shock. Think what you want to think. 1 in 1000 Afghans has a headscarf and 1 in 500 a beard. So goodluck.

[Afghanistan2010]

I live in the Netherlands, but have family from Italy, to Switzerland and even Sweden. More than maybe 100 of them I know personal, another hundred maybe by face. No one in my family I have ever seen from all these countries wear a headscarf. Non. not even grandmother or so. I might have like 20 family members in D.C. and they are probably more American then Americans. And yeah here in Europe, at least the Netherlands Afghan and pashtun woman dont wear headscarfs, its more like an arab thing, and no one here wants to associate themselves with arabs. Or berbers like here in holland, everyone hates them. Just wanted to say.

We are in Europe some,but haven't witnessed these,we have crashed such weddings during the soviet era to rise the voice of the poor and innocents nation that was murdered at that time,since then there has been a huge decline in such weddings,parties.

I too have relatives across Europe,but haven't heared of such parties,hatred toward the covering of the head,if there are some and i do not have doubts that your family members don't wear headscarf,but this has to do with their knowledge of islam.


There might be some pashtun women aswell in Neatherlands,who don't wear it,but its not the majorité of pashtun muslim women in europe-

[Afghanistan2010]

kujai tu ba afghan memana k iqa khezak mezani??
Shut up or I will get someone to pick you up and smash you on the floor while I watch you spit out chunks of your lungs before you die.

First,i do not fight for less than 50 000 $ a day,second i will not fight him even for 100 000 $ because he is our friend,but for 50 000 $ more i could rethink it.


Phone number in Afghanistan,they will call me then,the payment will be via paypal.

[Khostai]

I do not know where you live in Europe but most so-called Arabs in Europe are Berbers especially in France, Belgium and Netherlands.

Most of these young people also have many problems, do not know their culture and often do not speak Arabic. When they visit their parents countries people there call them foreigners and the same is happening in the countries they are born.

You cannot generalize like this.

Iraqi Arabs and Saudi Arabs are all peacefull and also Arabs in general. You should visit and see how big welcome you get. You should be more open minded and not think every Arab is like Osama Bin Laden. Do not listen to Western propaganda that calls every Iraqi Arab and Saudi Arab for Wahhabi, especially the people of Sunnah. I am sad to see that the Western media succeeded in creating such a picture of us.

And which Arabs are you precisely talking about? I doubt there are many Saudis, Yemenis, Iraqis and Gulf Arabs in Europe..Most Iraqis (remember this is a nationality not a race you have several different people living in Iraq - Kurds, Turkmens, Circaussians, Chechens, Assyrians (original Iraqis), Blacks etc.) in Europe are Iraqi Kurds.

Most Iraqi Arabs emigrate to neighbouring Arab countries like Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait for cultural, religious and tribal reasons.

But I see this thread is not healthy and much propaganda against Arab is falsely written which saddens me because I thought this was past on this forum and only done by the same frustrated members who in general hated Islam and had little knowledge about what they talked about.

That's what you get when you cal my relatives shamefull just becuase they don't do wear hijab who the hell do you think you are. Thats the problem whith you arabs thats way you get on everybodys nerve. I don't hate arabs becuase hate is a real big word, most of the time you peopel irritate me. Whith you self rightious bigotry. doing al the shamefull things behind close door and thet lecturing others...

[KingOfAriana]

We are in Europe some,but haven't witnessed these,we have crashed such weddings during the soviet era to rise the voice of the poor and innocents nation that was murdered at that time,since then there has been a huge decline in such weddings,parties.


There might be some pashtun women aswell in Neatherlands,who don't wear it,but its not the majorité of pashtun muslim women in europe-

This was a demonstration against the american intervention in Afghanistan and those are mostly the most conservative afghans, right?
Demonstratie Den Haag tegen geweld en oorlog in Afghanistan - YouTube

[Afghanistan2010]

This was a demonstration against the american intervention in Afghanistan and those are mostly the most conservative afghans, right?
Demonstratie Den Haag tegen geweld en oorlog in Afghanistan - YouTube

When i see such people,i remember the words of my cousin,spit at them

[KingOfAriana]

We are in Europe some,but haven't witnessed these,we have crashed such weddings during the soviet era to rise the voice of the poor and innocents nation that was murdered at that time,since then there has been a huge decline in such weddings,parties.

I too have relatives across Europe,but haven't heared of such parties,hatred toward the covering of the head,if there are some and i do not have doubts that your family members don't wear headscarf,but this has to do with their knowledge of islam.


There might be some pashtun women aswell in Neatherlands,who don't wear it,but its not the majorité of pashtun muslim women in europe-

Lol, only go to youtube and you will see:
Some examples:

Afghan girls attan - YouTube
Afghan Wedding party With A Nice Attan.wmv - YouTube
Afghan Girls Nice Dancing And Attan - YouTube
Afghan live dance 2012 - YouTube

[Khostai]

This is sad. You should be proud of your Islamic herritage and follow it as most Muslims should. It gives bad example if they are too western and also give them big dangers.

There is whole fashion in hijaab industry and I find a modest women more beautiful than what I see in west and some movies. I would be very angry if my many sister's or wife did not wear proper Islamic clothings. Because it is shame for family. It also gives respect for women something they lack in the west.

What is this -_-

[KingOfAriana]

it is a shame indeed but it is even more shame when you are proud of that.


btw i must ask you and kingofnowhere

do you and your family go to nude beaches since you are more modern than europeans?

Normal beaches, not nude beaches. Whats wrong with that. Some people can control themself and dont get too crazy by seeing some "nude", as if you dont know how a woman or man looks like.

[Khostai]

Yes if you sisters and rest females in family do not wear modest clothes and act too Western in wrong ways it is considered a shameful act in Arab culture and most Islamic countries. I was talking about my perspective. If you somehow felt hard hit I apologize but all my posts are seen from my Arab perspective, culture etc. I have never lived in Europe or West only visit and that is only in Europe never USA or all other Western countries.

Also I was saying that it is a shame if they act like I written because they can be in many dangers and make shame on family if something bad happens.

Also modest girls are more respected and often more beautiful and do not feel need to show their beauty only to their husbands as it should be.

They don't act like that, they always wear modest clothes and blend in whith the mases nobody in there intire life have been sexualy harrased, you know way becuase they don't go clubing late at night or hang out whith boys on the street. I only said that they don't wear hijab but like a typical narowminded arab that you are you think immiditly about girls in miniskirts showing there body -_-.
You can be modest and modern whith out a hijab her in Europe women are more stared at when they walk around whith hijab than whitout...