Is this what you call hijab?

[Friend]

Quit criticizing each other and focus on your own faults instead. What people do with their bodies or lives, whether they are right or wrong, is their personal matter. We all end up in our own graves. We get nothing from sitting in our homes and judging them. Even when you do approach someone to correct them on something , you do it in a manner that is not mocking or offensive to them.. In this Gossiping is a very nasty habit.

The word "personal" is used as an excuse by many now a days but everything is not personal. It affects others. Tommorrow a druggist would say taking drugs is his personal matter who are we to ask him why is he taking drugs but actually it is not his personal matter and even if it is his personal matter it harms him it destroys his life.

[IamDZJ]

The word "personal" is used as an excuse by many now a days but everything is not personal. It affects others. Tommorrow a druggist would say taking drugs is his personal matter who are we to ask him why is he taking drugs but actually it is not his personal matter and even if it is his personal matter it harms him it destroys his life.

If you want to live in a society where you are granted the right to decide for others what they should or should not be wearing, kindly move to one. Further more, when France does the very same thing, don't be a whining hypocrite about it.

[Friend]

If you want to live in a society where you are granted the right to decide for others what they should or should not be wearing, kindly move to one. Further more, when France does the very same thing, don't be a whining hypocrite about it.

So will you let your children or your youngsters send to a Church if your govt passes a law where every child has to attend the Church once a week regardless of their religion and if the child also wishes to go ?
The answer is NO because everything is not according to our own wishes. We are accountable to someone. We are bound by some rules and regulations the way the westerners are bound to their rules and regulations.

[IamDZJ]

The government of the country where I live does not have such a law. When a law such as the one you mentioned is passed, I will kindly move to a country which does not have such silly laws. Not because I have anything against churches but because I dislike stupid laws.
You like talking about things that have nothing to do with each other and I have a pile of work in front of me. Waste someone else's time. Good day.

[Afghanistan2010]

I know they are pashtuns but they live in west and mojority of there female family memebers don't wear head scarfs, here in Belgium I see only few women covering there head and in Germany they are more westernised than in Belgium and Holland. So first look at your own peopel before you post pictures of some arab girls that walk on the street -_-

And don't deny it you know it the true....

wrong,there is everywhere the same islam,if someone holds to it or not is their problem.

there are enough muslim women in europe holding to hijab.

[Khostai]

^But I am talking here about Pashtun women, only in Afghanistan there cover themselfs from head to toe here in west the majority just go whith the masses, only some wear headscarfs but that are so few that they are almost not visible....

[Friend]

^But I am talking here about Pashtun women, only in Afghanistan there cover themselfs from head to toe here in west the majority just go whith the masses, only some wear headscarfs but that are so few that they are almost not visible....

Every Afghan is not Pashtun and most of the Afghan immigrants are non Pashtuns.

[Khostai]

^-_- I was talking only about pashtun women, my fathers friends are actualy all pashtuns
and when I went to a PASHTUN weding I saw only one girls whith a head acarf but that was the Afghan style the rest all whithout, only some older women wear headscarfs the younger and girls were whoithout, you peopel are living in a fantasy land....

[Breshna]

^What do...your family

women...wear?

Just general...question.

[khushal]

^-_- I was talking only about pashtun women, my fathers friends are actualy all pashtuns
and when I went to a PASHTUN weding I saw only one girls whith a head acarf but that was the Afghan style the rest all whithout, only some older women wear headscarfs the younger and girls were whoithout, you peopel are living in a fantasy land....

the ones that wear hijab dont go to those kinds of weddings. they go to weddings if there is a "pardah" between the women and men.

but regarding the picture, it is weird that they cover their head but show off their you know what. weird logic. if your showing off that than no one is really looking at your head anyways. no one cares about your head because your selling a different commodity.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

the ones that wear hijab dont go to those kinds of weddings. they go to weddings if there is a "pardah" between the women and men.

but regarding the picture, it is weird that they cover their head but show off their you know what. weird logic. if your showing off that than no one is really looking at your head anyways. no one cares about your head because your selling a different commodity.

I can hardly believe I am saying this, but I actually agree somewhat with Lavanaay Zalmaay about this being a dead horse that is being beaten to resurrection and then killed again. I personally hate discussing this issue as its such a low yield topic that rears its head again and again.

I agree that the logic is convoluted, but its very tough my friend. And this is not coming from someone with female cousins etc in the US as all my cousins are males here. Its so easy for us men to shave our faces and say: its sunnah but not farz. The next easiest step is when we don our suits and say: its makruh and neither sunnah nor farz. We can chamelionize into our surroundings.

It must be very hard for a girl and then a young woman to have to the the symbol of "the other" in the completely hostile foreign environment. Most of the stories I hear about confrontations in the West are ones where women are bothered. In fact, the laws in Europe, put these womenfolk in between two law giving groups: male members of the family and the government. These laws dont really do much to the male factor involved at all.

Thats not to make excuses, one of the medicine chiefs at a prestigious hospital is a hijab wearing female who is not white and wears the proper looser fitting clothing described. So its not a complete rate limiting step to advancement/education in the US.

And I still think that the way that do present themselves gives others a symbol that they are concerned with maintaining modesty, but that they also dont want to be confrontational.

The contribution that they make appears to make a difference (one cannot take too much away from this study as its low sample size and the comparison groups did not have hijab as a listed factor):

"Both women and men have something to learn from this line of research, Raison said. Women should be aware of how they are perceived when wearing provocative clothing, and men shouldn't let feelings of impersonal sexual longing interfere with their more personal relationships with other women, including female friends. "Many men make foolish choices because of sexual attraction," he said."

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-02-19/h...2?_s=PM:HEALTH

In a seperate article on the subject Fisk, the lead researcher indicated that the objectification of women decreased concordantly with clothing covering.

So in the end, they are still doing their best.

[Tjanaparh]

I do not want to offend anybody, but as i see at least from pictures the style of dressing of women in Afghanistan(at least at rural places) is quiet different from both the pictures shown in this thread, thea seem mostly to wear traditional clothes(colored shalwar kameez and a cloth on the hair. Am I wrong ?

[JAMALUDEEN]

Quit criticizing each other and focus on your own faults instead. What people do with their bodies or lives, whether they are right or wrong, is their personal matter. We all end up in our own graves. We get nothing from sitting in our homes and judging them. Even when you do approach someone to correct them on something , you do it in a manner that is not mocking or offensive to them.. In this Gossiping is a very nasty habit.

You do realise that you are doing exactly the same thing...

[Afghanistan2010]

I can hardly believe I am saying this, but I actually agree somewhat with Lavanaay Zalmaay about this being a dead horse that is being beaten to resurrection and then killed again. I personally hate discussing this issue as its such a low yield topic that rears its head again and again.

I agree that the logic is convoluted, but its very tough my friend. And this is not coming from someone with female cousins etc in the US as all my cousins are males here. Its so easy for us men to shave our faces and say: its sunnah but not farz. The next easiest step is when we don our suits and say: its makruh and neither sunnah nor farz. We can chamelionize into our surroundings.

It must be very hard for a girl and then a young woman to have to the the symbol of "the other" in the completely hostile foreign environment. Most of the stories I hear about confrontations in the West are ones where women are bothered. In fact, the laws in Europe, put these womenfolk in between two law giving groups: male members of the family and the government. These laws dont really do much to the male factor involved at all.

Thats not to make excuses, one of the medicine chiefs at a prestigious hospital is a hijab wearing female who is not white and wears the proper looser fitting clothing described. So its not a complete rate limiting step to advancement/education in the US.

And I still think that the way that do present themselves gives others a symbol that they are concerned with maintaining modesty, but that they also dont want to be confrontational.

The contribution that they make appears to make a difference (one cannot take too much away from this study as its low sample size and the comparison groups did not have hijab as a listed factor):

"Both women and men have something to learn from this line of research, Raison said. Women should be aware of how they are perceived when wearing provocative clothing, and men shouldn't let feelings of impersonal sexual longing interfere with their more personal relationships with other women, including female friends. "Many men make foolish choices because of sexual attraction," he said."

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-02-19/h...2?_s=PM:HEALTH

In a seperate article on the subject Fisk, the lead researcher indicated that the objectification of women decreased concordantly with clothing covering.

So in the end, they are still doing their best.

I agree with you,it is difficult for her wearing hijab,but so is for men in other aspects,we should encourage at the same time our males aswell to hold fast to the sunnah as it is for our females.And explain hijab to our females not force them in this regards.
Praise be to Allah there are enough brothers stil young,and even teen have grown beard,yet it is easy for them to shave it,but they hold to the sunnah,there are aswell negatives in the west of growing beard,especially as muslim.

[Khostai]

^What do...your family

women...wear?

Just general...question.

Girls and younger women of my family that live in europe don't wear head scarfs only the older generation like my mother and uants they do cover there head but not like in the picture more like most Afghan women do....