Is this what you call hijab?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It's not even about whether women can do whatever they want; because being allowed to anything does not always mean it serves the welfare of women.

The problem in Saudi Arabia is they dont care about the welfare of women, it isnt aboit women driving or having to wear hijab. Those are superficial things

BUT basic things, like access to resources, being able to determine who she marries, being able to become gainfully employed if she needs to be or even want to be. Having a right to have a say in public affairs. These are the things that matters.

They're almost nonexistent in KSA

The west has many problems; but AT LEAST women have a choice NOT to become victims to the culture.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

what about all the rapes in Saudi Arabia? In Saudi you get lashed for getting raped

SubhanAllah!

This is much worse than chewing Qat, a woman can be killed for witchcraft, you believe that women can really do witchcraft? I mean I can see sending them to a mental institution; but killing them? Sick.

18-Year-old Saudi Rape Victim Gets 200 Lashes + Prison - YouTube

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Plenty of problems exists with women in Saudi Arabia but most are very well. This is fact.

For example Iraqi and Yemeni women are much, much more worse state....¨

They're in a "worse" state only because their poorer; but not because the government restricts their rights.

And yes, I like Yemenis because they are brother's and because I and my wife both have distant Yemeni ancestry. All Arab tribes mixed so people like all Arabs. You hate Saudis which is wrong because we are all related.

i don't hate Saudis; I was involved with a Saudi Arabian woman before, but the culture is messed up. I am just saying you have to look at what is happening in your own society; I know many problems are happening in Yemen and Afghanistan. The problem is the backwards thinking.

When your and my great-great-grandfather lived in Arabia (further back also) there was no Saudi, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen etc. but we lived in areas and belonged to tribes. People forget this to this day

we also lived in Khilafah with Turks, Persians, Habshi, and Indonesians, we were not always so self centered.

[IamDZJ]

First,i do not fight for less than 50 000 $ a day,second i will not fight him even for 100 000 $ because he is our friend,but for 50 000 $ more i could rethink it.

Phone number in Afghanistan,they will call me then,the payment will be via paypal.

I wouldn't hire you to change my garbage bags. I dot want you leaving a negative influence on the garbage bins. Besides, I know of three people who would kill each other to break graveyard's jaws.

[Al Hanif]

Shut up or I will get someone to pick you up and smash you on the floor while I watch you spit out chunks of your lungs before you die.

Who is this mysterious white knight ?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Oh not only. How do you explain all the extremism in Iraq and Yemen then? Why is Al-Qaeda in Iraq and Yemen the biggest in the world? Why are so many terrorists from those two countries? Because both are failed states more or less unfortunately.

Saudi influence....Saudis meddle in Yemens affairs and all of these guys are schooled in Saudi.

But even before Iraq and Yemen was chaos. For family reasons I prefer the Hashemite Kings in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan etc. than all those ba'athist parties and communist.

Actually Yemen wasn't that bad before the Saudi influence; most people were just simple folks.

Forgot that South Yemen was the only ever Arab communist country and only to date?

Yeah ok ....but women weren't being executed for witchcraft there, I'm not pro communist; but is a "Islamic" country that does bad things better than a communist country that doesn't? They didn't push communism on the people at least.

And what happened in Iraq. Ba'athism and Arab nationalism that killed many innocent Kurds and made pointless wars against Iran and Kuwait.

I agree here

This particular case about witchcraft had political motives. She was Shi'ah and her family took part in the uprising. Unfortunately they are in very poor state after what happened in Bahrain. Of course this is only minority and never nearly happens.

Where is the proof for this? and even if that was the case, why didn't they try her for sedition ...the fact that they're trying someone for witchcraft shows how warped the Saudi understanding of reality is.

But what about stonings in Iraq? Less than 2 months ago apparently 50 young people with western haircut where hanged, stoned and killed in public in Sadr City.

didn't you praise that? LOL

Or what about the stonings in Afghanistan and Iraq? Not to talk about beheadings. Or executions.

Saudi influence; before Saudis, you didnt see people getting beheaded all the time in Afghanistan nor in Iraq

Why are there no foreingers who study in IRaq or Yemen or live there? there is plenty in Saudi Arabia because country is stable and education is good.

well Iraq is war torn; Yemen many people go there to study Music and Arabic

You are too harsh. There are bigger problems in the Arab world that this you mention.

This isn't harsh, you always mention the problems of the west and yes the west has problems of course, but there are more injutices in Saudia.

[Al Hanif]

I know of three people who would kill each other to break graveyard's jaws.

Name them.

[Afghanistan2010]

I wouldn't hire you to change my garbage bags. I dot want you leaving a negative influence on the garbage bins. Besides, I know of three people who would kill each other to break graveyard's jaws.

Yes,because you are pro with work of garbage.
I offer my service openly,sent me a picture,payment via paypal,til when.

Then lets roll it.

[Pukhton Yaar]

Everything should be covered including your face.Your face showing is not an correct hijab.

Well, do you have any prove from Quran or Sunnah regarding your this claim? or can you please indicate some references from any fiqah?

Thanks,
Pukhtun Yaar

[Afgun]

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=28412 Pukhtun yaar i have various ayats from the Holy Quran

[Pukhton Yaar]

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=28412 Pukhtun yaar i have various ayats from the Holy Quran

السلام علیکم ورحمة الله وبرکاته

Dear Afgun, I will write all those three Ayats you have mentioned in the above link, but non of them is indicating that women have to cover their faces and hands but these Ayats are just about Satar ( پرده ) and Awrat ( the specific parts of body that have to be hide).

1. ایة ۲۶ سورة الاعراف

يَا بَنِي آدَمَ قَدْ أَنزَلْنَا عَلَيْكُمْ لِبَاسًا يُوَارِ*ي سَوْآتِكُمْ وَرِ*يشًا ۖ وَلِبَاسُ التَّقْوَىٰ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ* ۚ ذَٰلِكَ مِنْ آيَاتِ اللَّـهِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَذَّكَّرُ*ونَ ﴿٢٦

this ayat is just talking about cloths and dress to put on your bodies especially sexual parts and to be an adornment.

2. سورة النور ایة ا۳

وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِ*هِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُ*وجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ* مِنْهَا ۖ وَلْيَضْرِ*بْنَ بِخُمُرِ*هِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ ۖ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَائِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَائِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَائِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ أَوِ التَّابِعِينَ غَيْرِ* أُولِي الْإِرْ*بَةِ مِنَ الرِّ*جَالِ أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُ*وا عَلَىٰ عَوْرَ*اتِ النِّسَاءِ ۖ وَلَا يَضْرِ*بْنَ بِأَرْ*جُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ ۚ وَتُوبُوا إِلَى اللَّـهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ ﴿٣١

this ayah also tells Muslim women to lower their ayes and keep their sexual parts safe and not to display their adornment except that which is outward (many Muffasereen says that outward parts are face and hands)
and put your scarfs on your chest.

3. سورة احزاب ایة ۵۹

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَاءِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَابِيبِهِنَّ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَن يُعْرَ*فْنَ فَلَا يُؤْذَيْنَ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّـهُ غَفُورً*ا رَّ*حِيمًا ﴿٥٩

In this ayat Allah says to prophet to tell believers women to draw their outer coverings around them.

also as per your translation:

O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the        believers to draw their cloaks close round them

So which of these ayats indicates that face and hands are included in Hijab or niqab or Satar??? and they have to be covered???

I can bring you more references from the most known Tafaseer in Arabic, but my problem is that i can not write in english as it is required so if you can talk to me in GREAT Pashto so it would be so nice of you!!!

Thanks,
Pukhton Yaar

[Afgun]

Yes i can talk in pashto pukhton yaar. But in the holy qur'an in surah noor 31 it says cover your beauty that means your face pukhton yaar .

[IamDZJ]

they should make mini burqas for flowers too. or a full one for the garden. they are also beautiful.

[Afghanistan2010]

Yes i can talk in pashto pukhton yaar. But in the holy qur'an in surah noor 31 it says cover your beauty that means your face pukhton yaar .

Wrora,

seriously,no doubt,the women have to cover themselves up as mentioned in the authentic sunnah and quran,but the two things,face and hands are an issue of fiqh,the scholars differ there,some prescribe it,some not,therefor it is not a must,but the option of the individual to decide.

[Pukhton Yaar]

yes i can talk in pashto pukhton yaar. But in the holy qur'an in surah noor 31 it says cover your beauty that means your face pukhton yaar .

افګن صیب
داسې ښکاري چې ستا مطالعه او عمر لږ کم دی، هرڅوک نشي کولاي چې د قرآن مجید ترجمه او تفسیر پخپله وکړي، بلکه ددې لپاره علماء او مفسرین دي چې هغوي په خپلو مستندو تفاسیرو کې د نبي صلی الله علیه وسلم څخه روایت کړی وي، د تفسیر لپاره هم بیا خپل اصول دي چې هغې ته اصول تفسیر وايي.د انګریزي ترجمه اکثره د یو بل سره ډیر توپیر لري، کچیرته په قرآن مجید استدلال کوې نو باید ایتونه خپله په عربي ژبه رانقل کړې
دلته لفظ د زینت راغلی او زینت ډول او سنګار ته واي لکه غاړکۍ، بنګړي، غوږوالۍ، ښایسته جامې، سینډل او څپلۍ وغیره همدارنګه خوشبويي او عطر نو ښځې باید دغه ډولونه او سنګار یواځې خپل خاوند لپاره وکړي او هغه ته یې ښکاره کړي

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