Is being a Muslim a prerequisite for being a Pashtun?

[Dreamer]

You are talking nonsense as always.

Both of you have got warnings for being racist towards Arabs so who is lying now?

Most of your ridicules posts have nothing to do what I wrote.

No calling Arabs sand""""""" is not racism. Keep believing in that.

I have not called you a brother because you are not a Muslim otherwise you would not have behaved as you have done before, being a racism, supporting the traitors on this forum every time they write something and show no interest in Islam.

You still don't get it it seems. Those Arabs who are christian, atheists, hindus or whatever else have commited ribba.

NONE of them have been raised as such unless they are Asyrrian or non-Arabs.

Don't try to teach me about my own culture.

And go visit Soldat-Communism if you adore him as much as you do. I am sure you share many of his un-Islamic beliefs since you always thank his comments.

Now don't write to me anymore since you are a clear racist and a person that tries to divide Muslims.

Dreamer:

I already proved that ACCORDING TO YEMENI JEWISH TRADITION those Jewish Yemenis are descendents of Jews who immigrated to Yemen after the Jewish Temple was destroyed.

You on the other hand has not proven anything but just said that there are Yemeni Jews which everyone knows.

If you did not know this then Jews lived in Arab countries because they were better treated than in Europe. This do not mean that they are Arabs of ancestry which they are not.

End of discussion.

no u didnt... all u did wa copy and paste something off google... Dhul Nawas was a real person who like the Kazhar King got his people to embrace Judaism... like the Khazars whose decendents are alive today and exist as the Ashkanazi Jews the jews from Dhul Nawas time exist as todays Yemini Jewish community... that there are some Jews amongs them who are of Hebrew Stock is not being denied but the bulk of them are of arab decent...

[abassinafghan]

al arab , why the hell dont you just care about your saudi king , i mean you arabs are always soooo good in talking , why do you not get rid of him ???

i guess he is not responsible of anything .

soldat amir is our problem , our idiot , not yours you have no right to judge him any way .

and yes i prefer him over you he , is my brother he speaks my language , yes he made a mistake .

but YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU DONT BELONG TO OUR COUNTRIES

go play some playstation with your american friends in jeddah , they are there since more than a century . like your hero lawrence of arabia .....

[Dreamer]

Why do I even use my time to put some sense into racists that embrace everything that is not Islam.

Go thank the posts of the atheists and stop replaying to me as long as it is only nonsense that comes out of your mouths.

Dont... like the man said he is our problem ... sort your own house out and then come to us

[Al Hanif]

al arab , why the hell dont you just care about your saudi king , i mean you arabs are always soooo good in talking , why do you not get rid of him ???

i guess he is not responsible of anything .

soldat amir is our problem , our idiot , not yours you have no right to judge him any way .

and yes i prefer him over you he , is my brother he speaks my language , yes he made a mistake .

but YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU DONT BELONG TO OUR COUNTRIES

go play some playstation with your american friends in jeddah , they are there since more than a century . like your hero lawrence of arabia .....

Thanks for showing your true colors.

[Dreamer]

So I am not allow to confront him when he talks badly about Islam and my people (Arabs from Iraq and Saudi Arabia)

Who are you to tell me what I should sort out or what I mean. I can see you do not know my opinions since you provoke me with saying play playstatation and talk nonsense about the apostates Al-Saud.

And as far as I am aware of this forum allows non-Pashtuns to particapte as well as long as they show respect for Islam and Pashtun culture which I have ALWAYS done despite countless provocations towards me from cowards who talk badly about Arabs, generalize and are not true to their religion (Islam) just to try to provoke me into saying something bad about Pashtuns.

You know what. I am sure there are Pashtun idiots, people who have commited ribba etc. I have seen this with my own eyes on this forum. Just like there are Arabs that have done the same (I have even said that many times now in this discussion) but you know what?

I do never generalize like you two because it is against Islam, how I have been brought up and how I see the world. What is the need to call Arabs sand******* just to prove a stupid point?

If you disagree with my views then confront my views instead of my nationality.

Then I will reply to you as I would reply to an brother with respect.

You can believe this or not but I have actually had normal discussions with Soldat-Amir before where I have addressed him with respect despite being strongly disagreeing with his views. See my visitor messages.

I also said that I believe (like I believe about every human being like Almighty Allah (swt) told us) that all people have good in them but some have been influenced by shaytan.

I also believe that I and you and Khostai could have a normal and respectful discussion if you stopped your racism. If you apoligized as normal people I would forgive that and forget it but you continue with the provocations for what reason exatctly?

That I DEFEND my religion which is the most dear to my heart? And the ethnicity of my mother, father, children, wife (Arabs) when someone talks badly about Arabs from Iraq and Saudi Arabia (Soldat-Amir) and make us all a bad name with lies and exagerations.

You know what is funny. I bet you never have been in either Iraq or Saudi Arabia (just like Soldat-Amir) but you guys talk like experts when it comes to Arabs, how we are etc. I told him myself. Come to Saudi Arabia or Iraq and see with you own eyes the hospitality of people, the friendliness and you would have tears in your eyes.

Extremely poor people in Iraq invite foreigners and treat them with hospitality (well-known Arab tarde) much like Pashtuns who have the same characteristics.

Don't get you view from some misguided Arabs in the Gulf. Those people were extremely poor until 50 years ago when the oil was discovered. The wealth have made many bad people because they do not know better.

But let me start with apologizing if I said something that provoked you two. You can accept it or not but I will leave this thread now since it is about Pashtuns and their identity which was ruined by some users (want mention names) who felt they needed to insult Arabs for no reasons.

wassalam.

Simple ... Im a pashtun... UNLIKE U

[abassinafghan]

shako mako

[Dreamer]

does al-arab want us to go to one of the most racist countries on earth? a country where every non arab is viewed like dirt??? No thanks...

[badmash_khel]

Thats what you claim but there is no proof to it.
Pashtunwali didnt just come from nowhere.
There is no proof that Pashtuns were budhists,just because you see some budha statues doesnt proof anything.

so those statues were built just for looking good and for tourists? lol
Those monasteries were built for what? They didn't drop down from the sky, the people of the area built it.
OK, what is your proof that pashtuns were not pagans, budhist, hindus and other religions?

what are you saying?
so now kuffar are better than muslims,offcourse to you they are since you defend them when they spew against muslims.
offcourse there are bad and good among all but here you are defending the bad one and not th egood one.All the religion might preach some points which resemble ,they dont preach the same.
christianity preaches that god has a son,Judaism preaches that they are the chosen people and they deny Muhamad (pbuh) as a prophet and Esa(pbuh).Where have i judged budhism? and i knwo enough about budhism to know that Budha himself was against idol worship and these idols were made by some other kingdom for control purposes just like romans turning man into son of god.If Islam leads to succes than what seems to be the problem?

There is no problem. I never implied there is a problem.
I never said you have judged Budhism, I said "Before judging Budhism", what I meant to say was before you judge Budhism you have to investigate it. I can see that you know that Buddha didn't preach idol worship and his teachings were similar to Islam.
Then why are you so hesitant to accept that a part of pashtuns might have been Budhist in the past?

Those are weaklings and what made you think that advancement of technology will make them leave Islam?In europe and america many peopel convert to islam even though they have created such technologies so spare us that part.
Your view of Pashtuns is some wrong,just because some chose to be losers int his world and hereafter doesnt mean the dream of these losers will come true.

Some people are becoming muslims while others are leaving Islam, it goes both ways. I am not saying this, Read the hadiths which predict the end of times. Majority of the world will be leaving Islam. Its not rocket science, its all there.
Technology plays a big role. Put TVs and Sattelite dishes in every house in tribal areas and come back after 20 years and we will see if people have changed or not.

But those industries are of low quality and they are condemned by the society,are you telling me people respect those movies or those dances?Im not saying there isnt moral corruption but what makes you think this will be a one way thing?

There is a demand for that stuff, if there was no demand there will be no supply. These things are just pushed underground. We can't simply turn a blind eye to it and pretend it doesn't exist.

than why are you treating it as if it is superior to islam?

You think as if things are going circuler but its not,things go one way my brother and you will either end up in hell or heaven.
it is a fact that pashtuns are far better muslims than arabs or others ,matter of fact they represent Islam in the world and they have defended It and their country succesfully so what makes you think they will eb weak now?

Pashtuns have been isolated because they live a tribal life and due to their geography. Once pashtuns become urbanized and have greater interaction with outside influences you will see that they will lose their values just like the rest. Only the determined few can resist the temptations of this world and you can count them on our fingeres.
Look at the stars of Bollywood who are only pashtun in names but don't resemble pashtuns at all. Same thing will happen to the rest of us. Ofcourse there will be revivals from time to time to go back to our old ways but the majority will sink. Its a sinking ship.

well i suspected you wouldnt believe this as well since it is the islamic version of our origin but offcourse you will go with the pagan version.
Offcourse if it is proven that we do come from bani israel than the whole game will change and Pashtun atheists and their apologists will be stuck.

Islamic scholars have called Pashtuns hindu like Ibn Batuta and Al Biruni.
There is plenty of evidence that pashtuns are not Bani Isreal. Iranians are closer to Bani Isreal than pashtuns.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Stop diverting like a "kanjar mullah" the main questions asked of you i.e.,


-Are your sympathies for marines and concern for American tax-payer money sincere and out of genuine motives or are you working in disguise to find justification for Osama's action and promote his ideology of terror?

-You are asking all tolerant Pashtuns who disagree with your violent views to fight Mullah Omar's army of bandits themselves instead of having marines to fight them. Shouldn't the same principle apply to you as well i.e., instead of having poor Pashtuns to fight marines, you head for Afghanistan and Wana and fight the "infidels" yourself. You also have gotten ample opportunity of that on the "land of infidelity" you live on.

Instead, you have chosen the infidel land to be your permanent home, are extracting benefits from it, living like a parasite on its lavishes and resources, and taking advantage of the security that its system provides to better your life and lives of your kids even though you consider the land and its system to be infidel and evil and its people to be sinister and oppressors of Muslims.

Way chai mullah bal tha masalai kai aow pa khpala mazai kai. da mullano pa shan da kanjarthob praida aow da dai swaluno sayi sayi jawab warka

Wrong again Toramana.

I am not advocating that the poor Pashtuns do anything of the sort. Of H Mehsud or Commander Dauran across the Durand line decide to fight I am pointing out that this reaction of a native group of people to organize an insurgency is expected. They can do whatever they want. If the Afghan people and the folks of KP decide they want to adopt bungraism, taoism, daoism, Islamism, Communism, thats their choice, not mine to make.

Also, I will leave it to you to explain to me how my sympathies lay with OBL? Do they lie with him because I am advocating a direction that actually disagrees with his plan for embedding America into the quagmire he planned for them? Let us say if Americans withdrew? Are you so arrogant that your debate with me is concerning the notion that I will somehow say: "ha ha, Told you so?" Where is your supposed secular humanism man? What do a series of words mean for the marines, Bob, kathy, or Tom here in the mainland US? Tell me, what would the sequence of events be were the US to divest and allow you and Soldat to fight Mullah Omar and his native insurgents? If your ANP Party rhetoric were nearly as effective as that rhetoric of the Baloch insurgency you would have actually coupled matter to mind and lived up to your slogans. Instead, we have your very side kick Soldat referring to Afghans as very very very untrusthworthy and backward in some places and then advocating a stick and gun approach in other places? Is that not as zealous as your opponents? So now, let us play this out. The US comes home as they did in Vietnam... and what happens? Are turbaned zealots going to occupy Pennsylvania Ave? Or would such a divestment simply be on par with what the majority of the American populace decided was best for itself in recent polls? No rather, it appears that you support OBL as his goal was to keep the US in the middle east and central asia and lay them thin into Africa... in his writings per Scheuer he referred to this conflict in terms of decades indicating he understood that this was a fight to go beyond his lifetime that relied on the hubris of his enemy. For that matter, how many Taliban are in the kremlin celebrating the fall of the USSR since their defeat? Last I checked it was Mr. Putin that runs that country, who appears to have effectively crushed incursions in Chechnya, not Mullah Omar. So the real terrorist, couch potato is my flea ridden friend. Nope, simply put: You are an anti humanist and OBL's best friend in strategy!

And once again, your similitude you gave above makes no sense. The marines have overwhelmingly contributed to Dr. Paul's candidacy... indicating they do not want to be there and that they understand this is a foolish Quixotic quest for them. The insurgents appear to be fighting for some potential recompense but droves of them, per Taj Wardak, are true believers, hence their inability to peel these folks away from the insurgency.

Lets also consider the stances of the ANA soldiers who do not have the will to fight the Taliban:

"Do you periodically send harassing patrols after them? What do you do?" As the interpreter conveyed my questions, the captain's head wheeled around abruptly to look at the interpreter and then shot a look back to me with an incredulous look on his face and literally laughed in my face, and said, "No! We don't go after them; that would be dangerous!"

From a recently published US Military report:
http://www1.rollingstone.com/extras/RS_REPORT.pdf

In regard to the will of the natives to keep on fighting I refer you to that Islamist rag (sarcasm) the NY Times which indicated the reintregation offers have been utter failures:

" In southern Afghanistan, officials say fewer than 300 Taliban insurgents have turned themselves in under the two-year-old program; many are believed to be opportunists looking for government handouts. “We have two kinds of Taliban, fake Taliban and real Taliban,” Amanullah Hotaki, the chairman of the Oruzgan Provincial Council, said of those who have turned themselves in there. “The fake are 60 or 70, but the real ones are only five.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/wo...h-taliban.html

Yet all we are asking you to do is to get up off your hairy a-ss and go form a red hat brigade... and hunt down your enemies who appear to be fighting because they want to... not because they have to.

In regard to living in a Western nation. I surmise you are from Pakistan. What a hypocrite you are. Actually you are twice the hypocrite compared to your colleages. You beg at the legs of your supposed adversary state that also, per your narrative keeps the Pashtun nation in tatters. How dare you accuse others of expediency when you live off the fruits of your beloved "Pak ssaaar zamin" taking part in a parliamentary approved, rubber stamped Political Party that is now a part of the machinery of that state. Yet you live in unfathomable comforts in that state, deciding not to leave and suffer with your compatriots in Kabul behind that green zone or in Kandahar. And you pile on the hypocrasy by leaving your down trodden people behind and staging sham protests in Canada and other Western nations claiming to speak on behalf of Pashtuns, gauranteeing that the children of your host nation will die for your pet cause. Not only are you a begger, but you beg the big master and the its poodle only to stab both in the back.

[Ghundal]

According to the Hadith of the Black Flags


Yes

[abassinafghan]

toba , we have to much alims ou maulanas here .....