The extremism in Muslims?

[sunni]

I don't trust nor follow any present Imam's words: As the Prophet (PBUH) said that the scholars will be weak towards the day of judgement (Bukhari). I only trust my own research (and I advice all to do their own), from my personal studies of the collection of Bukhari and Muslim.

you do follow the english translation of the bukhari book. who did translate it?

you cant say you follow your own resreach till you know whats The science of Hadith...and tafsir of quran your self. for real i think you should stop this non sense.
you even maybe dont know arabic.


no one of the muslims would believe this.......even those who have been told this story first time were in shock cuz no one expect the prophet saw would do something like this.

[کیش]

you do follow the english translation of the bukhari book. who did translate it?

you cant say you follow your own resreach till you know whats The science of Hadith...and tafsir of quran your self. for real i think you should stop this non sense.
you even maybe dont know arabic.


no one of the muslims would believe this.......even those who have been told this story first time were in shock cuz no one expect the prophet saw would do something like this.

I have Muhammad Mohsin Khan's translation of Sahih Bukhari.

"no one of the Muslims believe this?"

Are these the same Muslims who were confused and dangled when the Prophet (PBUH) died? That it took Abu Bakr to remind the people that Muhammad Ibn Abdullah was just a human.


now you say "tafsir of Quran" and "science of Hadith" "by yourself" what happened to consult a scholar first?

[کیش]

Isn't there a Bukhari Hadith explaining the night journey? The Prophet was shown his house in paradise, and he went towards it. The angel reminded him his job wasn't completed, and he was to return to earth.

Isn't that a human reaction?

[sunni]

I have Muhammad Mohsin Khan's translation of Sahih Bukhari.

"no one of the Muslims believe this?"

Are these the same Muslims who were confused and dangled when the Prophet (PBUH) died? That it took Abu Bakr to remind the people that Muhammad Ibn Abdullah was just a human.


now you say "tafsir of Quran" and "science of Hadith" "by yourself" what happened to consult a scholar first?

i meant no one should believe in this story cuz its wrong.

we know he saw is just a humen.....but that doesnt mean he did want to throw him self and the stroy is right...its been proven thats its not true. why should you deny it? ask any famous imam you want to....this is something cant be believed......afghans in afghanistan been into lots of bad things yet no one did want to throw thier selfs or wanted to kill them self......i know there is no comparing and he is the prophet saw but i am just trying to point thats not true. he is the best humen in this life and he saw already said what was the harddest thing he saw been through so why you dont believe his hadith from sahih albukhri? there is a Contradiction becuz if the prophet wanted to throw him self then this was the hardest day he have been through.


i have asked 5 of my prof the other days and asked them about sahih bukhari if it had any weak hadiths they said NO they are all right and when i mentioned this one they said its sahih but the part from '' we hear '' is from alzuhri blaghat and aisha ra didnt say that.....thats why i posted i take ma words back becuz it was not clear to me first time.

[Pakhtunzai]

I don't trust nor follow any present Imam's words: As the Prophet (PBUH) said that the scholars will be weak towards the day of judgement (Bukhari). I only trust my own research (and I advice all to do their own), from my personal studies of the collection of Bukhari and Muslim.

Wrora, fair enough quite a lot of the imams nowadays are corrupt and deviate from islam. Of course yes the scholars will be weak but the true believers will not go until the wind takes them away. ('Ali ibn Abi Talib said, "The Prophet said: 'If my Ummah bears fifteen traits, tribulation will befall it.' Someone asked, 'What are they, O Messenger of Allah?' He said, 'When any gain is shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor; when a trust becomes a means of making a profit; when paying Zakat becomes a burden; when a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother; and treats his friend kindly whilst shunning his father; when voices are raised in the mosques; when the leader of a people is the worst of them; when people treat a man with respect because they fear some evil he may do; when much wine is drunk; when men wear silk; when female singers and musical instruments become popular; when the last ones of this Ummah curse the first ones - then let them expect a red wind, or the earth to swallow them, or to be transformed into animals.'" (Tirmidhi))

But there are still a solid few around, you just have to look. These guys have dedicated their whole lives to studying islam inside out, only then they are given a status to give the correct knowledge to people. The "wahabis" or in other words the people of najd are those who study for a few years, maybe not even a year yet they make their own interpretations and come to their own assumptions, then in turn misleading people from the true islam. I would advise you to go to an established imam, for you will be misguided(I'm not saying you specifically, but we would all go astray if we make our own interpretations).

[کیش]

Sunni, you are comparing the hard times the prophet(pbuh)--and companions-- to each other on the merit of the hadiths. The Prophet went through calamity at every phase of his life. At the times of hardship, an individual will always say "this is the toughest time of my life." its a growing process that teaches us lessons. For example: The Prophet attemtping to jump the mountain; the revelations stopped coming. At that time this was the hardest time of his life. The Prophet (PBUH) was stopped at each attempt. he was thought to handle the difficult path ahead(among others). Remember when the Muslims were exiled from Mecca? The Prophet (PBUH) was reported that was his worst time--in terms situation-- he faced. It was reported that Muhamma(pbuh) and Abu Bakr used to tie a tight belt around their stomachs to ease the pain of hunger. Sunni, you have posted a hadith that was after these phases. The battle of Uhud was another test for Muhammas(pbuh), he was beaten in battle.

The hadiths do no contradict each other, they were said and recorded at different times.

[sunni]

Wrora, fair enough quite a lot of the imams nowadays are corrupt and deviate from islam. Of course yes the scholars will be weak but the true believers will not go until the wind takes them away. ('Ali ibn Abi Talib said, "The Prophet said: 'If my Ummah bears fifteen traits, tribulation will befall it.' Someone asked, 'What are they, O Messenger of Allah?' He said, 'When any gain is shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor; when a trust becomes a means of making a profit; when paying Zakat becomes a burden; when a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother; and treats his friend kindly whilst shunning his father; when voices are raised in the mosques; when the leader of a people is the worst of them; when people treat a man with respect because they fear some evil he may do; when much wine is drunk; when men wear silk; when female singers and musical instruments become popular; when the last ones of this Ummah curse the first ones - then let them expect a red wind, or the earth to swallow them, or to be transformed into animals.'" (Tirmidhi))

But there are still a solid few around, you just have to look. These guys have dedicated their whole lives to studying islam inside out, only then they are given a status to give the correct knowledge to people. The "wahabis" or in other words the people of najd are those who study for a few years, maybe not even a year yet they make their own interpretations and come to their own assumptions, then in turn misleading people from the true islam. I would advise you to go to an established imam, for you will be misguided(I'm not saying you specifically, but we would all go astray if we make our own interpretations).

who told you this bs about the muslims in najd? srsly!! this is lies.

[sunni]

Sunni, you are comparing the hard times the prophet(pbuh)--and companions-- to each other on the merit of the hadiths. The Prophet went through calamity at every phase of his life. At the times of hardship, an individual will always say "this is the toughest time of my life." its a growing process that teaches us lessons. For example: The Prophet attemtping to jump the mountain; the revelations stopped coming. At that time this was the hardest time of his life. The Prophet (PBUH) was stopped at each attempt. he was thought to handle the difficult path ahead(among others). Remember when the Muslims were exiled from Mecca? The Prophet (PBUH) was reported that was his worst time--in terms situation-- he faced. It was reported that Muhamma(pbuh) and Abu Bakr used to tie a tight belt around their stomachs to ease the pain of hunger. Sunni, you have posted a hadith that was after these phases. The battle of Uhud was another test for Muhammas(pbuh), he was beaten in battle.

The hadiths do no contradict each other, they were said and recorded at different times.

WHAT!! U MAKE no SENSE. you are just stubborn into the wrong.

why dont you ask any ulama about this?

[کیش]

WHAT!! U MAKE no SENSE. you are just stubborn into the wrong.

why dont you ask any ulama about this?

If that doesn't make sense, then I seriously doubt you know anything about the life of the Prophet(PBUH), the hadiths, or Islam in general.


The only thing you know about Islam, is through "ulama's"

Again, I am not insulting you, but my post makes total sense. If the Ulama's said Muhammad was the son of god, I wonder how Manu Muslims will believe that? They already believe he was some super human, who didn't bleed when he was cut, or answered the call of nature.

[sunni]

If that doesn't make sense, then I seriously doubt you know anything about the life of the Prophet(PBUH), the hadiths, or Islam in general.


The only thing you know about Islam, is through "ulama's"

Again, I am not insulting you, but my post makes total sense. If the Ulama's said Muhammad was the son of god, I wonder how Manu Muslims will believe that? They already believe he was some super human, who didn't bleed when he was cut, or answered the call of nature.

no our prophet was the most Patient person on this life....i first when i read the hadith this was a shocking and i even call it weak hadith and i went and seearch about it and found it sahih bukhari i still didnt believed it. cuz this was something unture and the propeht wouldnt do such thing as this cuz he is the role model of muslims and if this is true then i have nothign to say about those who think about throwing them selfs and dnt wanna live anymore...its just a feelings comes to weak persons and all what i have studied and heard about ma prophet was making me more stronger and would make us feel proud and cry and feel how great he was......this just Conflict all his acts.

i already have posted more than one prove and i posted a prophet hadiths to prove you whats was the most hardest day he have been through. the qoustion aisha ra asked the prophet saw wasnt about one time.....it was about his life time.

i know arabic and i learn from the arabic books and somtime i dnt understand the right meaning of some of words and its not easy to understand it.....i ask the mulla and they tell us with PROOFS FROM ARABIC GRAMMER AND TELL US WHAT OTHERS SAY AND WHAT THEY SOURCE ABOUT IT...THEN WE REALISE WHATS RIGHT AND WHATS WRONG.

again ask any prof of islamic studies about this and let me know what he said.

[Afghanistan2010]

I don't trust nor follow any present Imam's words: As the Prophet (PBUH) said that the scholars will be weak towards the day of judgement (Bukhari). I only trust my own research (and I advice all to do their own), from my personal studies of the collection of Bukhari and Muslim.

How do you know its our time ?
You my friend can't even understand arabic,poems,fairy tales and fiqh,and you want your own researches?

your advice will bring the wrath of Allah and jahanam to us,there are plenty of trusted scholars,and also those who passed away have authentic books but stil to understand them you need someone who can teach you this.

Question: 2041


Is it okay to learn basic fiqh, basic aqeeda by ourselves and not seeking help of teacher on basic stuff?

Answer: 2041

Nov 11,2007

(Fatwa: 657/657=M)

By learning without the help of any teacher, a person may be misled and may fall in misconception; especially it is difficult to understand Fiqh and Beliefs without the help of an Aalim; therefore it is recommended to learn Fiqh and Beliefs by any teacher.

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows Best

Darul Ifta,Darul Uloom Deoband

Ibn Taymiyah (rah) said : When the time of judgement day nears muslim will be splitted and if you are in that time stay always to the mujahideen because they are righteous on the right aqeeda and manhaj.

[کیش]

How do you know its our time ?
You my friend can't even understand arabic,poems,fairy tales and fiqh,and you want your own researches?

your advice will bring the wrath of Allah and jahanam to us,there are plenty of trusted scholars,and also those who passed away have authentic books but stil to understand them you need someone who can teach you this.




Ibn Taymiyah (rah) said : When the time of judgement day nears muslim will be splitted and if you are in that time stay always to the mujahideen because they are righteous on the right aqeeda and manhaj.

Noah(as) prayed to Allah to bring his wrath to Earth, so i wouldn't mind it. I apologize for not being born into an A Rab, just a boring Afghan like you.

Ibn Taymiyah might have said that, but the Prophet of god(PBUH) said that the scholars, Mujahids, and ummah will be at a humiliating low near the hour. This is what we see today, you could blindly remain deaf and dumb but I won't.

Your Arab friends are so insecure in their faith, that they think Bukhari hadiths contradict each other. Allah gave me a functioning brain to do my own research. Yet I have never gave an interpretation, only repeated hadiths and Quranic verses. It is people like you who interpret.

[sunni]

Noah(as) prayed to Allah to bring his wrath to Earth, so i wouldn't mind it. I apologize for not being born into an A Rab, just a boring Afghan like you.

Ibn Taymiyah might have said that, but the Prophet of god(PBUH) said that the scholars, Mujahids, and ummah will be at a humiliating low near the hour. This is what we see today, you could blindly remain deaf and dumb but I won't.

Your Arab friends are so insecure in their faith, that they think Bukhari hadiths contradict each other. Allah gave me a functioning brain to do my own research. Yet I have never gave an interpretation, only repeated hadiths and Quranic verses. It is people like you who interpret.

Al-Haafidh Shihabuddin Abu'l-Fadl Ahmad ibn Ali ibn Muhammad, better known as Ibn Hajar ...known as amir almumineen in alhadith.

it took him more than 25 years to finsh his book Fath al-Bari – considered the most prominent and reliable commentary on al-Bukhari's Jami` al-Sahih.
he write all the explanation from the elders who died and his own explanation to the sahih albukhari in fath albari. the part i post about alzuri report he mentioned it in his book fath albari.

and you think you know what the hadiths means from an english translation and there is not even the explanation?

[Dreamer]

i called you dogs cuz u dogs blamed muslims and you defend this dog against our prophet.....when it comes to my prophet i will kill em... i will call you a dog and who ever defeend you a dog.

if i disrespect your father, how would you feel?

this was our prophet, there will be a day when the prophet ask where are who defend him saw, why you didnt defend him, what would you say?
shame on u and every filthy so called muslims and dont defend the prophet against who make fun of him saw.

take a lorazepam... it will help u chill out