The extremism in Muslims?

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yes he did ....he tried to kill himself once ....that was absurd.

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yes he did ....he tried to kill himself once ....that was absurd.

Prove it.

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Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home

proof

[Al Hanif]

Refuting the Suspicion that Says: The Prophet Tried to Commit Suicide

Refuting this Suspicion


To those who are against Islam we say:” the statement that you follow to prove the Prophet’s trail to commit suicide, is not a right one although it is written in “ Sahih Al Bukhari” (part 9 page 38) . Al Bukhari did not mention this statement- that we will mention- as being a right “Hadeeth” but he mentioned it as being a “telling”; that means it has been told by someone and not reported from the Prophet himself.

Ibn Hijr Al Askalany said in (Fateh Al Bari; part 12 page 376) :” Al Zahri told us this story and Al Bukhari narrated it from Al Zahri’s telling. So this telling is not reported from the Prophet’s sayings. And Al Karamani said the same.”

This is the right story; the Prophet never did this or even thought of doing this forbidden act because he is the leader of all believers and the sent Messenger to all mankind.

The Prophet is a human being, and as all of us he might feel depressed and sad sometimes; and this is normal:” Glorified (and Exalted) be my Lord [(Allâh) above all that evil they (polytheists) associate with Him]! Am I anything but a man, sent as a Messenger?“ (Al Israa’: 93)

When Jebril (PBUH) “Gabriel” – the sent Angel by Allah to Prophet Muhammad – stopped coming to the Prophet for a long time, the Prophet missed him so much and went to the grotto of Hiraa’ ( Ghar Hiraa’) on one of Makka’s mountains, where he used to see and meet Jebril.

In this place the Prophet finds his comfort and serenity. Some of the Prophet’s enemies use the following verse from the Quran as a proof for their claims:” It may be that you (O Muhammad) are going to kill yourself with grief, that they do not become believers [in your Risalah (Messengership)“ ( Ash- Shu’araa’:3)

This verse doesn’t mean that the Prophet intended to commit suicide at all, but it is a literary expression to show the Prophet’s grief and deep sorrow because of his folk’s refusal to follow him and to believe in his Message and in the holy sent book “ the Holy Quran”. Look how concerned the Prophet was in leading people to the right path, and getting them out from darkness to the light of the Almighty Allah.

This is a normal action done by a human being who confessed his being a human as mentioned in the Holy Quran :”And they say: "We shall not believe in you (O Muhammad), until you cause a spring to gush forth from the earth for us;*Or you have a garden of date-palms and grapes, and cause rivers to gush forth in their midst abundantly;*Or you cause the heaven to fall upon us in pieces, as you have pretended, or you bring Allâh and the angels before (us) face to face;*Or you have a house of Zukhruf (like silver and pure gold), or you ascend up into the sky, and even then we will put no faith in your ascension until you bring down for us a Book that we would read“
( Al Israa’ : 90,91,92,93)….

The prophet answered the polytheists : “Glorified (and Exalted) be my Lord [(Allâh) above all that evil they (polytheists) associate with Him “(Al Israa’ : 93) wondering their strange requests consisting that he is a human being who can’t offer them what they’ve requested :” Am I anything but a man, sent as a Messenger?”(Al Israa’ : 93)

And also, accusing the Prophet that he has no miracles shows indeed the great ignorance of those people. The Prophet (PBUH) as all other Prophets had miracles given to him from the Almighty Allah; e.g.: the water that sprang out of his fingers, hearing the tree talking in one of the Friday prayers , making out of a little amount of food what can be enough for a large number of people, in addition to his everlasting miracle that is the Holy Quran that Allah promised to keep as it is and promised to be interpreted, generations after generations according to what Man discovers in all fields of life.

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ah ha so then you don't actually have a rebuttal but a few people who are making excuses for it

by the way this wouldn't count as a refutation; you need another hadith or similar reference from a contemporary to be able to dispel that the situation was not motivated by suicide.

What the references like Fath Al Bari are; are ad hoc explanations. not direct explanations. Ad-Hoc Interpolation is a logical fallacy.

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Muhammad(saw) was flawed, he just did the best he could as a person and I respect him for that.

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o mu'tazila!!

i wouldnt debate this bald pal cuz he is a lier.

he have been posting lots of weak hadiths...u can read tha albani book al silsila alza'efa (السلسلة الضعيفة ).

they call em selfs muslims while some of the kafirs respect the prophet more than they do.

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Albani hahaha, that guy is shunned by most Muslims, nice try and Bukhari is weak? His books are the most authentic ahadith

bald? .. tisk tisk you're not supposed to mock God's creation, munafiq

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You're the biggest slave of the Americans there is; you follow Wahhabiyah, the doctrine protected by the American military.

You criticize Al-Saud , but then why do you follow the ideology that the Al-Saud helped to create with the British? Wahhabiyah? Only a Slave of the Sauds call other Muslims rafidha.

You only pretend to criticize Al-Saud to gain legitimacy, but the fact you follow the Saudi Ideology shows you're a fake.

You're a Must3arab so you're not even an actual Arab anyways. If I'm a Pashtun (actually I am Pashtun from my father and Yemeni from my mother she's Ba3alawiyah from 6arim) then get off this forum and never come back these are Pashtun matters right?

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AL Kashgari isn't Arab by the way so he does not follow any ridiculous tribal custom your masters the Sauds do.

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I think the fact you use the word "rafida" when the majority of Sunni scholars consider them Muslims is a good hint as to what you follow. You do in fact follow وهابیه , your words and ideas are وهابیه and you are a حمار االذي يأكل خارا

People lie about their genealogy all the time especially people from formerly non Arab speaking places like Iraq. You're a poser and a wannabe

You live in Europe which is actually worse; since the Europeans are ones who divided the Middle East..

They liived in Iraq since the Abbasid Khaifa? Then why are you so against Shi'a for the Abbasiyah were allies of Shi'a you are clear a Kharijiy Yazid supporter.

Yemen is almost all of African decent? Arabic originated in Yemen you moron, that would mean that the original Arabs too had African decent. However, my mom is from 7adramout and we have no African.

I never said Banu Hashim aren't Arab, I'm saying YOU are not banu Hashim, it doesnt matter if an American says it or not; facts are facts, they're immutable.

if you really think Pashtuns can't comment on Arab matters, stay off this forum and stop commenting on Pashtun matters you fraud.

As if being Arab makes someone special anyways

[Pakhtunzai]

yes he did ....he tried to kill himself once ....that was absurd.

Who are you to say our prophet SAW tried to kill himself, plucking a "hadith" outta nowhere.

You think hes flawed? He was flawless!

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that Hadith is in Sahih Bukhari; if you think that is out of nowhere you are a fool.

hmmm he got sad and tried to fling himself over a mountain? who are you fooling. The only people who can't see his flaws are the brainwashed like yourself

[Breshna]

^Please...write the hadith here.

I know Adam p.b.u.h...did try to throw...himself off the..mountain.

When he...couldn't find...Eve p.b.u.h.

But just as he was...about to.

She was standing...in front of...him.

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it's in the thread just search a the pages preceding.