Interesting dicussions on destruction of Makkah

[al-arab]

your are wrong actually, most saudis respect the royal family, I lived there for 14 years so i know, if they didn't like them, saudis would be protesting against them just like other arab countries, but they are not.

I think the main wrong with saudi arabia is the actually the (wahabhi) belief system, all the destruction in Makkah is backed by the religious system there, The royals are just doing what the religious scholars there are telling them to do, also the contracters are making the money out of the situation. Just watch the video. There are 3 evils working side by side in saudi arabia, The royal family, the Wahabhi system and Greed. All of these are showing their true face in Makkah

I also lived in Saudi Arabia so what is your point?

Why do you think they respect the Royal family (most I meet do not but the opposite is your own opinion and definition)

The Al-Saud family is the most oppresive and powerful Muslim regime, how do you expect people to rebel. Do you remember the Makkah siege of 1979?

Most Saudis and Arabs support the Hashemites not the apostates in form of Al-Saud family.

Most of the soldiers (in high positions) are descendents of Ikhwan warriors who opposed Al-Saud and supported Sayyid Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Makkah.

Does who support Al-Saud have been brainwashed/or have a limited knowledge about Islam.

Why do you mention Wahhabism? I strongly condemn it as do I condemn the Al-Saud family. Both go hand in hand. I think I have made it very clear what my stance is.

Scimitar:

I think someone said you were 30+ years old. I find it hard to belive that with your childlish behaviour and insulting of members you disagree with.

No, there is no certaincy where Arabs emigrated from.

Yemen did not exist as a country when the Arabs appeared in the history books.

There are several claims of where Arabs are from. Some say we are from the Syrian Desert (modern Jordan, Iraq and Syria and Saudi Arabia). Others say something different.

What is certain is that the Arabian Peninsula (From Yemen in south to Syria in north) was and still is the homeland of the Arabs. This has also been proven by DNA. (Haplogroup J1 Y-DNA)

My tribe and clan has never lived in Yemen both mostly Hijaz and latter the Area of todays Jordan, Syria, Palestine and Iraq.

Apart from that most modern Yemenis have a big African influence in their genetics unlike most real Arab tribes (not those tribes that have been influenced by Africans as you see in Saudi Arabia for example).

[Karachi]

^ which part of saudi did you live in , I am talking about Riyadh and eastern provinces, the support is huge there. Also the reason i mention wahabhism is simply because they are backing the destruction in Makkah, if you dont believe me, watch the video

[al-arab]

Karachi:

What are you trying to say? That Wahhabism don't have a big following or that some people (especially in Riyadh (the most conservative area in Saudi Arabia) "follow" the Al-Saud family?

The fact is that most ordinary Saudis are too afraid to say what they really believe about the Al-Saud apostates.

I lived in Hijaz and there the Hashemites have a WAY bigger support than the Al-Saud.

Well most Iraqis also loved Saddam 10 years ago when they spoke in public and in private (out of fear, as in KSA). So your argument is not really that much useful other than it shows what dictatorship can do to people who are exposed to it.

Well, as I told you. Wahhabism and Al-Saud go hand in hand. They need each other that is why that some support the Al-Saud family since they already have said A (Wahhabism) they also need to say B. This is the sad truth.

But again, FAR from all Saudis are Wahhabists.

Even 15-20 percent of Saudi Arabia are non-Muslims. (Immigrants). There are also a quite big minority of shias.

Most follow the Hanbali Madhhab.

[al-arab]

يرى بعض الباحثين أن العرب والساميين بشكل عام من الشعوب التي خرجت من شرق شبه الجزيرة العربية وتحديدًا من منطقة حوض الترسيب العربي الكبير قبل أن يصبح خليجًا. بينما تقول دراسات حديثة أخرى أن الساميين نشأوا في منطقة شرق البحر الأبيض المتوسط حوالي 4,000 ق.م. ومن ثم نزحوا إلى الجزيرة العربية وإثيوبيا لاحقًا.[20]

Here you have the prove that Arabs DID not originate in the area of todays Yemen but probaby in the EASTERN Arabian Peninsula (Yemen is Southwest if you forgot that) OR the area of eastern Mesopotamia 4000 years ago. This also makes since since the OLDEST SEMITIC cultures were found in todays Iraq (Mesopotamia).

ALSO the first time the word/discription "Arab" was mentioned was by the Assyrians who also lived in todays Iraq as a description of Beduins.

Talk about knowing history. Never thought that a Pashtun should teach me about my own people's history nor do I ever imagine to do the same to a Pashtun.

[Al Hanif]

your are wrong actually, most saudis respect the royal family, I lived there for 14 years so i know, if they didn't like them, saudis would be protesting against them just like other arab countries, but they are not.

I think the main wrong with saudi arabia is the actually the (wahabhi) belief system, all the destruction in Makkah is backed by the religious system there, The royals are just doing what the religious scholars there are telling them to do, also the contracters are making the money out of the situation. Just watch the video. There are 3 evils working side by side in saudi arabia, The royal family, the Wahabhi system and Greed. All of these are showing their true face in Makkah

That is true. Most Saudis respect the royal family. Most Saudis are retards. I won't say the contrary. But there are also other Saudis who are the complete opposite of it.

For example, Osama Bin Laden. Would you call him a "wahhabi" ?

What do you call "wahhabism" in the first place ? Suicide bombings ? Terrorism ? Destroying graves ? Exterior Jihad ?

Because as far as I know it's not Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab who was born in the 18th century who introduced those things.

Osama Bin Laden, founder of Al-Qaeda is not considered to be a true follower of what you call 'Wahhabi' Islam. However, he was nurtured in the 'Wahhabi' tradition and in fact developed a somewhat independent theology that is not totally inconsistent apparently, with its tenets, based on the ideas of Hassan Al-Banna, Sayyid Qutb ("Qutbism") Abul Ala Maududi, Afghani and others as transmitted by Ayman Zawahiri.

Also, why can't you spell Wahhabi properly ? It's Wahhabi not wahabi, wahabbi, waahabi, wahhabbi, wahaabbi, wahhaabi or wahabhi !

Also, don't mix what you call 'wahhabism' with fundamentalism. They are two completely different things even though 'wahhabism' is one version of Islamic fundamentalism.

Islamic Revolution in Iran was based on Islamic fundamentalism. I double dare you to call a Shia a Wahabbi !

Muslim Brotherhood is a fundamentalist political organization, nothing to do with 'Wahhabis'.

Hizb ul Tahrir is a fundamentalist group which aim is to restore the Khilafah, but definitely against any form of violence to achieve their goal, nothing to do with what you call 'Wahhabis'.

The word Wahhabi is overused by munafiqs who practise Shirk and hate on the Truth. So they mixed everything which is bad and blamed it on "wahhabis".

"Wahhabis" may be bad but not everything they say is wrong.

Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab did and said many many wrong things but not all what he said was wrong.

Particulary grave-worshippers, the people who invented or are following sects within Islam, the people who give divine attributes to Hussein or Ali are getting mad on him and his followers because they know it's the truth and they don't want to hear the truth. They want to keep doing what their forefathers did. But the truth is independant from what those "Wahhabis" say or don't say.

True fundamentalists don't listen to Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab or any 'salafi' Sheikh. Actually, they listen to everybody and take the best part of each. They pick the truth and reject the falsehood. They do not ingurgitate what everybody says.

I am a real fundamentalist. In the pure sense of the word. I am not a Salafi. I am a muslim.

Many Salafis are astray. But people like ScimitarXEdge are far more astray. But they can't percieve it themselves.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not a scientist. He was not rationalizing everything. Is ScimitarXEdge following his path ?

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was up to the front when he fought the polytheists. He wasn't calling for jihad in a salafi website. Are salafis cheikhs following his path ?

The closest people to Islam in this world are not Sufis, nor Shias, nor Islamic parties in power in Tunisia, nor Saudi rulers, nor Salafis, nor Mu'tazilates.

The closest people to Islam are indeed those who are fighting against the invaders in Afghanistan fisabiliLah and Allah (SWubhanahu Wa Ta'ala) knows best who among the Talibans are fighting for the Sake of Allah Al Majid and who are not.

[sunni]

your are wrong actually, most saudis respect the royal family, I lived there for 14 years so i know, if they didn't like them, saudis would be protesting against them just like other arab countries, but they are not.

I think the main wrong with saudi arabia is the actually the (wahabhi) belief system, all the destruction in Makkah is backed by the religious system there, The royals are just doing what the religious scholars there are telling them to do, also the contracters are making the money out of the situation. Just watch the video. There are 3 evils working side by side in saudi arabia, The royal family, the Wahabhi system and Greed. All of these are showing their true face in Makkah

dont lie , you lived here and still saying that and your family living here.
you are one brainwashed son dont know anything right about islam.

i dare you in a debating about islam and everything you said about saudi islamic law?

the saudi ppl some of them loves the king and the royal family. and some don't cuz they want more and more and they dont wanna study and work the way we all do in our lifes.
thier youth are lazy and naive.

the saudi king gives them everything in this life, like any ppl would wish to have king give them like they have.

free education, lots of scolarship for them all, free hospital's, money for who dont work, cant work, and old ppl............and alot of other things

you just dont know anything.

you are simply filthy naive guy.



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for the video you have post i do like to say this dr. sami ala'nqawi is suffi liberal he says he should have fun whenever its fun time, music and mozmar ( its a commen dance btw makkawiya and they dance and make circle on a fire and its haram but alot dont dance by circle on fire.:S)
every week he's have a Cultural symposium and once he make a concert for peace between human collecting jazz and Bob American band.

is that some one to take his words ?

he's a filthy as you karachi.

[sunni]

Karachi:

What are you trying to say? That Wahhabism don't have a big following or that some people (especially in Riyadh (the most conservative area in Saudi Arabia) "follow" the Al-Saud family?

The fact is that most ordinary Saudis are too afraid to say what they really believe about the Al-Saud apostates.

I lived in Hijaz and there the Hashemites have a WAY bigger support than the Al-Saud.

Well most Iraqis also loved Saddam 10 years ago when they spoke in public and in private (out of fear, as in KSA). So your argument is not really that much useful other than it shows what dictatorship can do to people who are exposed to it.

Well, as I told you. Wahhabism and Al-Saud go hand in hand. They need each other that is why that some support the Al-Saud family since they already have said A (Wahhabism) they also need to say B. This is the sad truth.

But again, FAR from all Saudis are Wahhabists.

Even 15-20 percent of Saudi Arabia are non-Muslims. (Immigrants). There are also a quite big minority of shias.

Most follow the Hanbali Madhhab.

tell me whats is wahabi madhab ?

where did this word come from ?

who did call them wahabis? why?

tell me everything you know about them?

its seems you know alot about them why dont you show us some of what you know arab bro

[al-arab]

dont lie , you lived here and still saying that and your family living here.
you are one brainwashed son dont know anything right about islam.

i dare you in a debating about islam and everything you said about saudi islamic law?

the saudi ppl some of them loves the king and the royal family. and some don't cuz they want more and more and they dont wanna study and work the way we all do in our lifes.
thier youth are lazy and naive.

the saudi king gives them everything in this life, like any ppl would wish to have king give them like they have.

free education, lots of scolarship for them all, free hospital's, money for who dont work, cant work, and old ppl............and alot of other things

you just dont know anything.

you are simply filthy naive guy.



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for the video you have post i do like to say this dr. sami ala'nqawi is suffi liberal he says he should have fun whenever its fun time, music and mozmar ( its a commen dance btw makkawiya and they dance and make circle on a fire and its haram but alot dont dance by circle on fire.:S)
every week he's have a Cultural symposium and once he make a concert for peace between human collecting jazz and Bob American band.

is that some one to take his words ?

he's a filthy as you karachi.

Brother, you know very well tha the Al-Saud family are apostates for collaborating with USA and for removing the Hashemite family and destroying the Ikhwan forces. You also know that most REAL Saudis are opposed to them, since they proclaimed themselves "Royal" 90 years ago after having taking the control of Hijaz and Najd from the respected Hashemites who were the rightful Custodians of the Two Holy Mosques. You also know that he is one of the richest "Royals" and that his family's way of living would be condemned by the late Sayyid Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Makkah.

But as I told before, there is nothing wrong with the Saudi people nor the law (Shariah) only the rulling family. But this is only my opinion and people are free to disagree.

[Al Hanif]

Al-Saud family are indeed apostates. They financed the American war on Iraq. Even Shias are better than them. They are the biggest traitors to Islam.


Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

The House of Saud took Americans as their friends and protectors. (financed american war in Iraq, helped 1st US war in Iraq, have american bases on their soil)

They are not muslims, they are freemasons like I already said.

[al-arab]

tell me whats is wahabi madhab ?

where did this word come from ?

who did call them wahabis? why?

tell me everything you know about them?

its seems you know alot about them why dont you show us some of what you know arab bro

Brother (second reply to your newest post).

I only call them Wahhabi because Karachi and Scimitar called them that in order to distinguish them. My own personal stance is that there should not be differences between Muslims. Muslims are people who follow the teachings of the Holy Quran and the Haddith. As long as they do that they are free to call themselves what they want (Sunnis, Shias, Hanbali, Hanafi, Shafi', Maliki etc.) as long as they first and foremost call themselves Muslims and follow the teachings of the Holy Quran and the Haddith.

Wahhabism is a word who orignates in Western media as a discription of the followers of Muhammad Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab.

People should first and foremost describe themselves as Muslims and if people want more details they can mention with madh'hab they follow. The majority of people from Algeria follow the Maliki madh'hab because of historical reasons while Turks follow the Hanafi one. In fact there is really little difference and the difference there is, is insignificant.

Those discriptions are man-made but only a result of slightly different circumstances (cultural and religious ones).

This should not change the fact they all are Muslims, regardless of the madh'hab.

I am not going to hide the fact that I myself would prefer just to be called a Muslim and that there should not be different versions of Islam (Sunni, Shia etc.) but a single unity.

But like in most other religions people like to divide themselves in different branches, unfortunately.

[al-arab]

Al-Saud family are indeed apostates. They financed the American war on Afghanistan. Even Shias are better than them. They are the biggest traitors to Islam.


Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

The House of Saud took Americans as their friends and protectors. (financed american war in Iraq, helped 1st US war in Iraq, have american bases on their soil)

They are not muslims, they are freemasons like I already said.

Indeed. But there are much more things that make them apostates other than that, brother.

There is a theory, quite popular among Arabs, that Al-Saud were Jews originally. This would explain their collaboration with the kafirs. And this has happened on the MOST HOLY Muslim land. A disgrace indeed.

Just like there are rumours aobut Ahmedinejad's ancestry from his father's side.

[Karachi]

dont lie , you lived here and still saying that and your family living here.
you are one brainwashed son dont know anything right about islam.

i dare you in a debating about islam and everything you said about saudi islamic law?

the saudi ppl some of them loves the king and the royal family. and some don't cuz they want more and more and they dont wanna study and work the way we all do in our lifes.
thier youth are lazy and naive.

the saudi king gives them everything in this life, like any ppl would wish to have king give them like they have.

free education, lots of scolarship for them all, free hospital's, money for who dont work, cant work, and old ppl............and alot of other things

you just dont know anything.

you are simply filthy naive guy.



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for the video you have post i do like to say this dr. sami ala'nqawi is suffi liberal he says he should have fun whenever its fun time, music and mozmar ( its a commen dance btw makkawiya and they dance and make circle on a fire and its haram but alot dont dance by circle on fire.:S)
every week he's have a Cultural symposium and once he make a concert for peace between human collecting jazz and Bob American band.

is that some one to take his words ?

he's a filthy as you karachi.

I said the i lived there for 14 years in the past, not now, i live in canada now

Also that video is from Al Jazeera, thats not a sufi channel, what ever they are saying is true, many of the recent vistors to Makkah have also said the exact same thing, that all the sites are gone, replaced by hotels, malls, toilets, car parks etc..., so i dont know what are you arguing about

[ScimitarXEdge]

Both of you are wrong; the Saudi population is pretty split and the favor for the Saudi royalty varies from region to region. Most of the Eastern provinces resent the Saudis because they exploit the eastern region and impose a great deal of subjugation on them. Hijazis also resent the Saudis for deteriorating their culture and society. Sufism also plays a large roll in Hijaz as the Ba'alawi influence on Western Sa'udi is deeply rooted.

most of the population that favors the Saudi regime are centered aroun Riyadh and most of the areas around Najd; because economically they have benefitted the most.

[IamDZJ]

I completely agree with what the dude with the beard said.

Can't wait until Talibans take over Saudi Arabia and blow up this ugly tower.

Until then, here's pure monotheists destroying an idol :

OPERATION BUDDHA TALIBAN - THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH - YouTube

you idiots are addicted to blowing off things. when you find nothing else, you blow off yourselves. destroying idols my foot. take a break from tying to fix humanity and focus on yourselves for a change. hypocrisy is not worship.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Indeed. But there are much more things that make them apostates other than that, brother.

There is a theory, quite popular among Arabs, that Al-Saud were Jews originally. This would explain their collaboration with the kafirs. And this has happened on the MOST HOLY Muslim land. A disgrace indeed.

Just like there are rumours aobut Ahmedinejad's ancestry from his father's side.

what does being Jewish ancestry have to do with anything? Many of the first Muslims were jews who converted to Islam?

You're insulting Umm Mumineen Saffiyah Bint Huyay(ra) by making such comments.