Interesting dicussions on destruction of Makkah

[al-arab]

People need to understand that the conservative schoolars in Saudi Arabia are not necessary wrong because they are based in Saudi Arabia, people should just know that they are not able to express what they really mean about the Al-Saud family. Those very few who have done it have lost their authority or are based in foreign countries as a consequence.

They are stricly controlled by the authorities in terms of the level of criticism towards the Al-Saud apostates.

That is why the Al-Saud family are so obssesed in countering the so-called extremists (in fact rightful Muslims who follow the law, Shariah (which is not the problem as I have said, nor the people (Saudis) because in their world extremists are people who are opposed to their rulling, rightfully (critics of the Al-Saud family).

That it what makes them so big hypocrites also. At the same time they are exporting their branch of Islam to other countries in other to stay in control even though most conservatives are opposed to them.

Take Osama Bin Laden as an example. He comes from a very afluent family, the Bin Laden family who where the Al-Sauds family's personal constructors (build every Mosque in the country etc. (nearly). Osama was able to see the big hypocrisy of the Saudi regime and opposed it even though he would have lived just like the Al-Saud family.

The Al-Saud are playing a double game in order to stay in power but it is doomed to end in fiasco and Insha'Allah that will soon happen and the rightfull Custodians of the Two Holy Mosques can be installed again.

[ScimitarXEdge]

يرى بعض الباحثين أن العرب والساميين بشكل عام من الشعوب التي خرجت من شرق شبه الجزيرة العربية وتحديدًا من منطقة حوض الترسيب العربي الكبير قبل أن يصبح خليجًا. بينما تقول دراسات حديثة أخرى أن الساميين نشأوا في منطقة شرق البحر الأبيض المتوسط حوالي 4,000 ق.م. ومن ثم نزحوا إلى الجزيرة العربية وإثيوبيا لاحقًا.[20]

Here you have the prove that Arabs DID not originate in the area of todays Yemen but probaby in the EASTERN Arabian Peninsula (Yemen is Southwest if you forgot that) OR the area of eastern Mesopotamia 4000 years ago. This also makes since since the OLDEST SEMITIC cultures were found in todays Iraq (Mesopotamia).

ALSO the first time the word/discription "Arab" was mentioned was by the Assyrians who also lived in todays Iraq as a description of Beduins.

Talk about knowing history. Never thought that a Pashtun should teach me about my own people's history nor do I ever imagine to do the same to a Pashtun.

This is nonsense; The Arabic language came from Yemen, and the pure Arab tribes are from Yemen, even in Saudi, most of Saudis are mixed with Persians, Turks, Kurds, and others.

Arab history isn't your; you're Iraqi, not descendant of any of the Arab tribes.

you are
Must3arab.

My mom's family are yemeni and she's Ba'alawiyyah.

[al-arab]

Both of you are wrong; the Saudi population is pretty split and the favor for the Saudi royalty varies from region to region. Most of the Eastern provinces resent the Saudis because they exploit the eastern region and impose a great deal of subjugation on them. Hijazis also resent the Saudis for deteriorating their culture and society. Sufism also plays a large roll in Hijaz as the Ba'alawi influence on Western Sa'udi is deeply rooted.

most of the population that favors the Saudi regime are centered aroun Riyadh and most of the areas around Najd; because economically they have benefitted the most.

Which is what I have said more or less without going in detail (there were no need to do that in the reply to Karachi).

But Scimitar, do as a favour and try not to insult other members because you disagree with them. Much you say is truth so no need to be personal. I am only telling you this as a advice not a personal attack.

Apparently you are 30+ years so your childlish insults are pretty pathetic in that age. But that's your own business.

[al-arab]

This is nonsense; The Arabic language came from Yemen, and the pure Arab tribes are from Yemen, even in Saudi, most of Saudis are mixed with Persians, Turks, Kurds, and others.

Arab history isn't your; you're Iraqi, not descendant of any of the Arab tribes.

you are
Must3arab.

My mom's family are yemeni and she's Ba'alawiyyah.

I am more Arab than you ever wil be. My tribe are Sayyids and we are cousins of the Hashemites.

You do not even speak Arabic so why do you even make a reply? I used Arabic sources. Why don't you show me the opposite that Arabs should orignate in Yemen (what a nonsense, also backed up by everything from logic to ARABIC SOURCES).

You are a Pashtun so do not lecture Arabs on their history.

[al-arab]

Yemenis are heavily influenced by Ethiopians and Jews. They are in no way the craddle of Semitic people. Even the Holy Quran mentions that Arabs are descendants of Ibrahim (pbuh). The oldest Semetic people are found in Iraq, not Yemen. All Arab sources say nothing about any Arab origin in Yemen nor do any other source. In fact the first a non-Semetic population (Assyrians) first used the word Arab about Beduins who lived in Mesopotamia (current Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait and Northern Saudi Arabia)

[Al Hanif]

Hashemites are ruling Jordan.

They are no better than Saudis.

[sunni]

I said the i lived there for 14 years in the past, not now, i live in canada now

Also that video is from Al Jazeera, thats not a sufi channel, what ever they are saying is true, many of the recent vistors to Makkah have also said the exact same thing, that all the sites are gone, replaced by hotels, malls, toilets, car parks etc..., so i dont know what are you arguing about

i know its from al jazeera and i know al jazeera chanal is from qater and they have a good friendship with isreal and USA.

i know this happend and i know why did this all happend.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PPL GO IN ARAFAT DAY TO Mount AL Rahma(Mount Mercy) in arafat and worship this White Stones and ask it for happines and being rich and everything..........i been there in hajj and i was standing up there and was looking to haram making dua and when i looked back i saw some of them praying touching it wants baraka i told them, this is wrong and they should do make dua to allah and look to the ka'ba haram not to this. they ignored me more than once and didnt give a **** about what i told them. they keept crying there and i was in my white ehram.
do you want them do this things ? do you think this is islam ?
do you think if the saudis didnt broke prophet homes and everything like this they were not going to worship them... it did happen and thats why they couldnt find any other answers else to broke everything get to do with this...thats why your suffi dickehead is sad thats why he is saying all this things, cuz he likes them things and would love to see ppl jahils like him.

those are pics for you ......

[ScimitarXEdge]

I am more Arab than you ever wil be. My tribe are Sayyids and we are cousins of the Hashemites.

You do not even speak Arabic so why do you even make a reply? I used Arabic sources. Why don't you show me the opposite that Arabs should orignate in Yemen (what a nonsense, also backed up by everything from logic to ARABIC SOURCES).

You are a Pashtun so do not lecture Arabs on their history.

Even Sad3at are Must3arab ....didn't you know that? Look at the Geneology of Quraish, they're not Pure Arabs either.

You used A source; who said this source is an authority? And what about Scientific Research?



Study some REAL history

from Raheeq Al Makhtoum

The pure Arabs – the people of Qahtan – originally lived in Yemen and comprised many tribes, two of which were very famous:

1. Himyar: The most famous of whose septs were Zaid Al-Jamhur, Quda‘a and Sakasic.
2. Kahlan: The most famous of whose septs were Hamdan, Anmar, Tai’, Mudhhij, Kinda, Lakhm, Judham, Azd, Aws, Khazraj and the descendants of Jafna — the kings of old Syria.

If you're not Qahtan, you're not an Actual Arab.

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/books/B0033P0001.aspx

[al-arab]

Hashemites are ruling Jordan.

They are no better than Saudis.

They are better but as every Arab nation they have been influenced by America. In fact you or I are not able to mention one single leader in the Arab world or anywhere else who are not under the influence of America or Western Imperialism. In fact I can only name one country and that is a communist country in form of North Korea who are a constant state of war with their neighbours and American puppets in South Korea. Even Americans still have a big base and many thousands soldiers on the border. So big is their influence. So no wonder that a little country as Jordan, sadly has been influenced.

The fact is that the Hashemites are respected in the whole Muslim World and have been that for centuries and have held very important positions.

Especially the Hashemites lead by Sayyid Hussein Bin Ali, Sharif of Makkah who was a symbol for our struggle against imperialism and a defender of the traditions, conservatism and Islam.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yemenis are heavily influenced by Ethiopians and Jews. They are in no way the craddle of Semitic people. Even the Holy Quran mentions that Arabs are descendants of Ibrahim (pbuh). The oldest Semetic people are found in Iraq, not Yemen. All Arab sources say nothing about any Arab origin in Yemen nor do any other source. In fact the first a non-Semetic population (Assyrians) first used the word Arab about Beduins who lived in Mesopotamia (current Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait and Northern Saudi Arabia)

Who cares if they're the cradle of the Semitic People? Semitic is not analagous with Arab, Arabs are a subgroup of Semitics. You only posted one source; so how can one source mean ALL Arab sources? Because Tabari says they're origin is in Yemen as does Ibn Khaldun . So you're clearly a liar.

Just because you're Seminitic doesn't mean you're Arab.

Yeah those Bedouins, are descendents of Yemenis who migrated from the Southwest outwards. ....you're not a real arab anyways, but a Mesopotamian wannabe. You're influenced by Persians and Turks, so what's your point? Iraqi Arabic is mixed with persian and turkish words.

[al-arab]

Even Sad3at are Must3arab ....didn't you know that? Look at the Geneology of Quraish, they're not Pure Arabs either.

You used A source; who said this source is an authority? And what about Scientific Research?



Study some REAL history

from Raheeq Al Makhtoum


If you're not Qahtan, you're not an Actual Arab.

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/books/B0033P0001.aspx

Show me Arab source not English.

Apart from that there was nothing called Yemen 4000 ago when the word Arab for the first time was used by the Assyrians. As I already told you the homeland of Arabs was the Arabian Peninsula from Yemen to Syria. There is nothing called pure Arabs. Those pure Arabs you talk about also have ancestors (Semetic ancestors to be precise) and the first Semitic people are found in Iraq. So what is that for a logic?

So you are telling me that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not a real Arab? Or the Sayyid families? I beg to differ so does everyone else.

Even your own source says this:

"Kahlan septs emigrated from Yemen to dwell in the different parts of the Arabian Peninsula prior to the Great Flood (Sail Al-‘Arim of Ma’rib Dam), due to the failure of trade under the Roman pressure and domain on both sea and land trade routes following Roman occupation of Egypt and Syria."

Now since those Kahlan apparently where the pure Arabs (no such thing exists) according to this Raheeq Al Makhtoum (who is he?) were part of the first pure Arabs. Apparently they came into notice under the Roman occupation (2700 years ago at the oldest since the Roman Empire began 2700 years ago)

How do you then explain that there were Arab tribes in Mesopotamia described by Assyrians 4000 years ago? Or how do you explain how the first civilizations was founded in Iraq by SEMITIC people 9000 years ago, minimum 6300 years after the appearance of the Kahlan and so-called pure Arabs?

You are clearly a liar who suffers from inferiour complex and you are not even Arab nor do you speak the language or have shown an Arab source.

[sunni]

Brother, you know very well tha the Al-Saud family are apostates for collaborating with USA and for removing the Hashemite family and destroying the Ikhwan forces. You also know that most REAL Saudis are opposed to them, since they proclaimed themselves "Royal" 90 years ago after having taking the control of Hijaz and Najd from the respected Hashemites who were the rightful Custodians of the Two Holy Mosques. You also know that he is one of the richest "Royals" and that his family's way of living would be condemned by the late Sayyid Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Makkah.

But as I told before, there is nothing wrong with the Saudi people nor the law (Shariah) only the rulling family. But this is only my opinion and people are free to disagree.

you should know how did it starts and also not all of the family is like that but there is some filthy ppl btw them and no one can say anything else some one have already told the USA or isreal.
you shouldnt forgot thier fathers and king faisal god bless them...you shouoldnt say all of them.
and also what is the right you talking about there about ashraf ppl ?
you know arabic ?
read this .




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[sunni]

Who cares if they're the cradle of the Semitic People? Semitic is not analagous with Arab, Arabs are a subgroup of Semitics. You only posted one source; so how can one source mean ALL Arab sources? Because Tabari says they're origin is in Yemen as does Ibn Khaldun . So you're clearly a liar.

Just because you're Seminitic doesn't mean you're Arab.

Yeah those Bedouins, are descendents of Yemenis ....you're not a real arab anyways, but a Mesopotamian wannabe.

so what if his not arab ?
**** yemenis not muslims.

he is more muslim then you, you bald *******.

[al-arab]

Here you have a INDEPENDANT source in English. No where does it mention Yemen as the origin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...3/figure/fig1/

So you are clearly a liar. The Arabic sources say the same, also the one posted by me. Simple logic and history also confirms this.

Arabs are a Semitic group not a distinguish group!! What a complete nonsense to say otherwise.

[sunni]

Brother (second reply to your newest post).

I only call them Wahhabi because Karachi and Scimitar called them that in order to distinguish them. My own personal stance is that there should not be differences between Muslims. Muslims are people who follow the teachings of the Holy Quran and the Haddith. As long as they do that they are free to call themselves what they want (Sunnis, Shias, Hanbali, Hanafi, Shafi', Maliki etc.) as long as they first and foremost call themselves Muslims and follow the teachings of the Holy Quran and the Haddith.

Wahhabism is a word who orignates in Western media as a discription of the followers of Muhammad Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab.

People should first and foremost describe themselves as Muslims and if people want more details they can mention with madh'hab they follow. The majority of people from Algeria follow the Maliki madh'hab because of historical reasons while Turks follow the Hanafi one. In fact there is really little difference and the difference there is, is insignificant.

Those discriptions are man-made but only a result of slightly different circumstances (cultural and religious ones).

This should not change the fact they all are Muslims, regardless of the madh'hab.

I am not going to hide the fact that I myself would prefer just to be called a Muslim and that there should not be different versions of Islam (Sunni, Shia etc.) but a single unity.

But like in most other religions people like to divide themselves in different branches, unfortunately.

so if they called us dogs u will do the same ? this is wrong and you know and i hope u do watch what you say cuz u dont mean it in any bad way.

for the other part this is soooooooooooooo wrong.
NO SHIA CAN NOT BE A MUSLIM AS YOU THINK
THE SHIA WE KNOW AND I KNOW CAN NOT BE MUSLIMS EVER.

THEY SWEAR AT PROPHET SAHABA'S AND HIS WIFE'S
they dooooooooooo and doooooo and doooooo lots of things and i hope u learn that

ps they are sect not madhab they are truly out of islam.

the rest are madhabs and mohammed ibn abdul wahab was following the hanbali madhab, he didnt crate anything new, he just showed us the wrongs we have been fall in and bring us to the light by allahs mashee'a

there is 4 famous madhabs hanbali, hanafi, maliki and shafa'e. and they all are called sunnies.