Why Evolutiontheory is just a theory and not an Evidence

[Soldat_Amir]

google it...its pretty cool.


Let me answer your question like this: Cockroaches have been around since the time of Dinosaures, if evolution happens, then why are wasps, bats, sharks, crocodiles, turtles still the same even after 100+ million years? Why would you believe that humans evolve from apes in lesser time?

And since we are in the religious section, you should know that Allah does not make "mistakes". To believe in the theory of evolution is believe that Allah is not a creator but just "lucky". Because the key word in evolution is "Random". So people who are heretics like Scimitar believe that Allah couldn't create Adam from mud, (because it was too complex and it would have defied universal laws) so He, auzubillah, had to create through 1 billion years of work, a phospholipid bilayer membrane, then through another billion years of random trial and error, Allah had to figure out how to make these cells stick together, then through another billion years of thinking and working, He had to figure out how to make plants, insects and reptiles. Then after millions of years of trial and error, Allah finally figured out how to make monkeys...so when He came close to making monkeys that live on trees walk on earth, He decided to call the Angels, metaphorically, because according to ScimitarXedge, Angels and devils are just archetypal, they only exist in Allah's imagination, and not in reality, and tell the Angels that now he has decided to make monkey into man. But in the process, Allah had to create some prototype adams and then destroy them because they were not right...they weren't able to speak...so finally after another millions of years of trial and error ...Allah finally made Eve...and then some 50,000 years or so Ago..some adams were starting to take shape here and there across the continents...and then finally Prophet Scimitar was born and started his new religion of Evolutionary Islam. So according to him, Adam was not created from mud. Heaven and Hell are just metaphors. They don't exist. Adam wasn't sent down from Heaven to live on Earth for an appointed Time. Heaven just means the Universe and the Galaxies in it. And Allah is just some medium etheral force that is bound by the limits of physical and quantum laws.


Do you believe that? Because that is what ****mitar believes - verbatim.

Why call someone a heretic? Your telling me Baraq, the flying mule with a womans head was real? your telling me angels exist, and they fly around us protecting our homes from theifs? you believe a man can live inside the fishes stomach, your telling me the before Ambrahmic faiths existed, the whole world were following Abrahmic faiths and not Pagans, and a god existed in that time, I see no logic in that, why would god decide to bring his faith to the masses after so long? Its because mankind has developed. Your telling me the Quran written in Arabic was sent down by god himself through an Angel, when infact, Arabic is a man made language, not the language of a god? Your telling me modern day drugs cant alter the way we think?

No offence, but I am out of here, dont want to get banned over this, sorry for any offence, never intended.

Alchemist, your losing a unwinnable battle.

[Alchemist]

Nobody knew of a Allah or a god, Jesus nor a Abraham before Judaism, most of the world was Pagan. Its taken mankind to discover the laws of nature through science and research, I didnt see any assistance from an external body(God) assisting in the research.

The Laws of nature have been made by nature herself. Thats just my view.

Nature herself?


LOL


O.K there Pagan.

[ozymandias]

Yes it is. Buy a biology book and read it.
The discovery that anti biotic resistance is ancient is a recent one. But books written from even the 50s have been promoting that assumption.

Moving the goalposts. In the context of this conversation, that was not the original assumption.

Even given that point, that's how science works. Int he light of new evidence, you revise the ideas to meet all evidence. You have yet to show hos this disproves evolution.

Once again you show ignorance.






Already have son.

No, you have not. You have simply shown that this particular instance of evolution may have occurred earlier than was thought. That doesn't disprove evolution.

You never have. You just assume that you have and then keep saying that you have...hoping it will come true. Show that you have?

Huh? I have corrected your definition of species. I have corrected your claim that speciation has never occurred. I have corrected your claim that donkeys and horses are the same species. I have corrected your assumption that evolution means the resultant organism would be better suited than it's ancestors in all cases. I have corrected your claim that humans and neanderthals only share 4% of their DNA.

Need I go on?

No. That is what you do, sir.



Space and time? You can't follow citation because you don't know how to read a biology paper published in a scientific journal.

Suuuuure.

Thanks for admitting that you are intellectually lazy.

Where do you get that from? I never said I was lazy, intellectually or otherwise. There you go making stuff up again.

The belief that it is 60 or 120 millions years old is based on conjectures as well not science. If you know the details of such studies you wouldn't be so confident.

Feel free to cite the studies validating your claim the DNA has not changed in 3 billion years -- or even your original 1 billion year claim. I'll gladly read it.

P

Another asinine statement. Every biologist and every evolutionist out there knows that Thermotoga maritima, Aquifex Aoelicus, methanococcus jannaschii or pyrobaculum aerophilium or methanopyrus kandleri have been the same for over 3 billion years. I don't believe it. But you should because this is

A genomic timescale of prokaryote evolution: insights into the origin of methanogenesis, phototrophy, and the colonization of land

Scroll to figure 3.

I just proved it. But I am sure your too stupid to know that I did. Do you feel like a moron now?

Of course not -- why would I? There is a huge difference between speciation occurring -- which is two gene pools diverging, and your claim that the DNA has not changed in 1 billion years. DNA continues to change after speciation. Heck - I even cited a modern E.Coli study that has shown that in the last few dozen years, we have seen major changes in E.Coli.

Sadly for you, speciation CANNOT be observed.

It's really damaging to your case that it *HAS*.

It is only based on conjectures.

False.

You showed what you thought was evidence but I made it clear to you it wasn't.

False.

Beyound that you are simply deluding yourself into thinking that there is evidence.

False.

I am much more familiar with the 'evidence' than you are.

False.

They are all cases for micro evolution,

False. Speciation, by definition, is macroevolution.

it is only assumed that in the long term it might diverge into another species,

False.

but that is conjectural, not evidential.

False. If had not been observed, you might be right -- but you are mistaken, and it has been observed.

LOL.

Pulling a ****mitar?

Figure 3 above. What do you mean "DNA evidence" anyway? You are showing how ignorant you are to ask that. Seems like your understanding of what DNA is comes from your weekly indulgence of television crime shows like CSI: miami.

"DNA evidence" LOL

You claimed the DNA for E.Coli has not changed for 1 billion years. You made the claim, you provide the evidence. That's how this works. I am aware that no DNA 1 billion years old exists, and have pointed that out.

if you reject the DNA evidence,

What evidence? All we have so far is your baseless claim.

then you are pretty much rejecting palentology as a whole. And if you believe that timeline has nothing to do with evolution then once again you are taking away a pillar of the theory of evolution. To ask for proof of DNA is to question the theory of evolution. LOL

Not at all. Evolution is driven by changes in DNA, so that statement you made is absurd.

In half of your post, this time, you have argued against evolution

Citation needed.

but you are too ignorant to even realize it since you don't even know what evolution is. Blind faith.

Citation needed. I clearly understand it better than you do.

I

Read this carefully: Mule = Hybrid. Donkey & Horse = species.

Get it?

I never had a problem with that. You are the one providing a definition of 'species' that claims otherwise.

Your face is a logical fallacy. LOL


Actually it is exactly what you are doing and it is no strawman. You just don't realize it. It's not just you even Darwin tried to do the same in his thesis and so does Jay Gould. I tired explaining it to you earlier ...but now I realize that you are not that educated on the subject for me to take the discussion to that level. Have you even read Darwin's original book?

Please go educate your self first then come debate with me. You are simply making a fool out of your self. Get my english dude?

I'm sorry that you assume to know everything and refuse to admit when you are wrong. We can work on that, though. I will continue to provide facts and evidence and correct you when you are wrong, and you will have a chance to learn.

[ozymandias]

You are a clown buddy... that's all you can do here. Clown around like a monkey because you are too stupid to actually delve into the science.

Last time I got you eating your own hat and you had to admit that you are too ignorant of biology to debate with me so you had to go look for a friend to convince to come here or on youtube. LOL

I am the liar? You were the one boasting of having studied evolution and biology...but you don't even know the basics! You were so full of your self you even wanted to write a biology test for me ... how you gonna grade me if you don't even know what the subject is?

LOL

Do you really need to name-call and threaten physical violence? He is doing nothing that you have not done repeatedly. Take a deep breath, and calm down. Let's discuss this like rational adults.

[ozymandias]

google it...its pretty cool.


Let me answer your question like this: Cockroaches have been around since the time of Dinosaures, if evolution happens, then why are wasps, bats, sharks, crocodiles, turtles still the same even after 100+ million years? Why would you believe that humans evolve from apes in lesser time?

The cited examples all *have* changed in the last 100+ million years, just less drastically since their niche in the environment is far more stable than that of the apes and humans.

And since we are in the religious section, you should know that Allah does not make "mistakes". To believe in the theory of evolution is believe that Allah is not a creator but just "lucky". Because the key word in evolution is "Random". So people who are heretics like Scimitar believe that Allah couldn't create Adam from mud, (because it was too complex and it would have defied universal laws) so He, auzubillah, had to create through 1 billion years of work, a phospholipid bilayer membrane, then through another billion years of random trial and error, Allah had to figure out how to make these cells stick together, then through another billion years of thinking and working, He had to figure out how to make plants, insects and reptiles. Then after millions of years of trial and error, Allah finally figured out how to make monkeys...so when He came close to making monkeys that live on trees walk on earth, He decided to call the Angels, metaphorically, because according to ScimitarXedge, Angels and devils are just archetypal, they only exist in Allah's imagination, and not in reality, and tell the Angels that now he has decided to make monkey into man. But in the process, Allah had to create some prototype adams and then destroy them because they were not right...they weren't able to speak...so finally after another millions of years of trial and error ...Allah finally made Eve...and then some 50,000 years or so Ago..some adams were starting to take shape here and there across the continents...and then finally Prophet Scimitar was born and started his new religion of Evolutionary Islam. So according to him, Adam was not created from mud. Heaven and Hell are just metaphors. They don't exist. Adam wasn't sent down from Heaven to live on Earth for an appointed Time. Heaven just means the Universe and the Galaxies in it. And Allah is just some medium etheral force that is bound by the limits of physical and quantum laws.


Do you believe that? Because that is what ****mitar believes - verbatim.

Are you saying that Allah is limited in the tools he could use, where he it exist, and decide to use them? Perhaps Allah used evolution as a carpenter used a saw or a hammer, guiding it all along.

To think that evolution has anything to do with 'luck' it to put the lie to your claims of understanding it -- let along having a biology degree. There is nothing about 'luck' in evolution. It was not random chance.

[badmash_khel]

Nobody knew of a Allah or a god, Jesus nor a Abraham before Judaism, most of the world was Pagan. Its taken mankind to discover the laws of nature through science and research, I didnt see any assistance from an external body(God) assisting in the research.

The Laws of nature have been made by nature herself. Thats just my view.

Call him what u want, Allah, God, Brahma, Ram, Thor, Zeus, or Ahura Mazda.

Labels don't matter. Humans have always had a sense of God conciousness, they might have worshiped more than one God but they did worship a diety.

How can nature make its own laws? Did the universe make its own laws? universe it itself created, so how can something created dictate its own laws. Did you create your own laws? did you choose to have 2 legs and 2 hands?

[ScimitarXEdge]

conjectural

selective reading is not a counter response;

In conclusion, these data support all of our predictions
concerning the effects of MMR on recombination rate, with
the minor exception that MMR slightly impedes recombination even among self-crosses; this last effect has been observed
previously in yeast (15). These findings thus support three key
components of a recent model (16, 28) that postulates an
important role for MMR in speciation: (i) populations that
evolve defects in MMR undergo rapid genetic divergence from
other populations because of their mutator phenotypes; (ii)
this accelerated sequence divergence does not impede recombination as long as the MMR system remains defective; but (iii)
on reacquisition of a functional MMR system, the accumulated
sequence divergence presents a genetic barrier to further
recombination. Of course, the magnitude of the barrier to
recombination in our experiments is much smaller than the
barrier between such clearly distinct species as E. coli and
Salmonella enterica (13, 14, 16), which have diverged from a
common ancestor for '130 million years (29). Nonetheless,
our findings indicate that an incipient barrier can evolve
rapidly, during only 20,000 generations (less than 10 years)

Less than 10 years ....not 20,000. Try actually reading what you're refuting next time.

not "speciation"...
?

Samples were taken in New Delhi from public water taps and from waste seepage, such as water pools in the street. Resistant bacteria were found in 4 per cent of the water supplies and 30 per cent of the seepage sites. The researchers identified 11 new species of bacteria carrying the NDM-1 gene, including strains which cause cholera and dysentry. Antibiotics are used to reduce excretion of bacteria in cholera patients, and to reduce the duration and severity of dysentery. Worryingly, the identified Shigella isolate, which can carry dysentery, is resistant to all appropriate antibiotics

What part of 11 New Species, is not speciatiion

you're getting into histrionics again


evading evidence ....is not refutation.

[ScimitarXEdge]

See what I mean Ozymandias ...he avoids evidence ...all he did was read the abstract. and completely ignore the conclusion and even at that he read the abstract completely incorrectly.

[Afghanistan2010]

Nobody knew of a Allah or a god, Jesus nor a Abraham before Judaism, most of the world was Pagan. Its taken mankind to discover the laws of nature through science and research, I didnt see any assistance from an external body(God) assisting in the research.

The Laws of nature have been made by nature herself. Thats just my view.

who made the nature ...? herself

[Afghanistan2010]

hahahaa ...its funny that things "just" happens for no reason they want to tell me that newton was wrong when the appel fall down it "just" happend and there was no gravity that forced the apple to fall.

the nature " its is a naming" so it is something that exists , you call it the nature ...what is this nature where did it come from kalkutta ?

Languages are not man made my son.

And islam was the believe of jesus (pbuh), moses (pbuh) and abraham(pbuh) and those who were before him like noah(pbuh) and idris (pbuh) and adam(pbuh).

Adam(pbuh) was the first muslim ,Allah taught him well what he has to do and that he should stay on the path of islam with his family.

[ozymandias]

hahahaa ...its funny that things "just" happens for no reason they want to tell me that newton was wrong when the appel fall down it "just" happend and there was no gravity that forced the apple to fall.

Who is trying to tell you that?

the nature " its is a naming" so it is something that exists , you call it the nature ...what is this nature where did it come from kalkutta ?

It may have always existed. *shrug* I'm not an expert on cosmology -- but I am willing to discuss it if you start a new thread. Let's keep this thread to evolution, if we can.

Languages are not man made my son.

Actually, they are. All available evidence and logic dictates that it had to have been a creation of man, or proto-man.

And islam was the believe of jesus (pbuh),

False. Jesus predated Islam, at least historical Jesus did.

moses (pbuh)

False. Moses predated Islam -- if he existed.

and abraham(pbuh)

False. Abraham predated Islam -- if he existed.

and those who were before him like noah(pbuh)

False. Noah predated Islam -- if he existed.

and idris (pbuh and adam(pbuh).

False. Adam predated Islam -- had he, you know, existed. But there is no evidence for that.

Adam(pbuh) was the first muslim,Allah taught him well what he has to do and that he should stay on the path of islam with his family.

Well, at least we are talking about evolution-related topics again.

[Afghanistan2010]

Who is trying to tell you that?

Evolutionists (its just the parable what you are telling me)
beginning from the Big bang to the homo.

False. Jesus predated Islam, at least historical Jesus did.

Jesus taught the people : There is no God except God,and im Gods messenger.

False. Moses predated Islam -- if he existed.

Moses told the bani israel (children of israel),do not worship anything beside God and there is no God except him.

False. Abraham predated Islam -- if he existed.

And Abraham (pbuh) destroyed the false Gods(idols) and told his folk,there is no God but God.

False. Noah predated Islam -- if he existed.

And Noah spoke to his folk/tribe,oh people why do you not worship God alone,and there is no God except him.

False. Adam predated Islam -- had he, you know, existed. But there is no evidence for that.

And Adam worshipped God alone.And he believed in there is no God but God.


What does islam mean ?
what does it teach?

1.It means to supplicate to one and only God alone.
2.It teachs to worship one God and make no Gods beside him,and there is no God beside him.


so they were all muslims.

And from Adam to Muhammad (may peace be upon them all) they had all the same Message,and we believe in them all.

[ozymandias]

Evolutionists (its just the parable what you are telling me)
beginning from the Big bang to the homo.

You may wish to pay attention to what they are saying, then, because you clearly don't understand their point. It's one thing to disagree with their point -- but you don't even understand it.

Jesus taught the people : There is no God except God,and im Gods messenger.



Moses told the bani israel (children of israel),do not worship anything beside God and there is no God except him.




And Abraham (pbuh) destroyed the false Gods(idols) and told his folk,there is no God but God.



And Noah spoke to his folk/tribe,oh people why do you not worship God alone,and there is no God except him.



And Adam worshipped God alone.And he believed in there is no God but God.


What does islam mean ?
what does it teach?

1.It means to supplicate to one and only God alone.
2.It teachs to worship one God and make no Gods beside him,and there is no God beside him.


so they were all muslims.

And from Adam to Muhammad (may peace be upon them all) they had all the same Message,and we believe in them all.

Oh, I get it. You are trying to rewrite history. Never mind the fact that there was no historical evidence of Islam prior to Mohammad, you are just going to go ahead and claim that any momontheist is Islamic. You are going to twist history and definitions to meet your goals. Carry on then.

[Alchemist]

selective reading is not a counter response;





Less than 10 years ....not 20,000. Try actually reading what you're refuting next time.










What part of 11 New Species, is not speciatiion

you're getting into histrionics again


evading evidence ....is not refutation.

MORON!

11 new species doesn't that the species is new, but aside from the one they found the new gene, another 11 were discovered to have THE SAME GENE!!!!!

Ok 10 years later when they do become a different species...then I ll be proven wrong...for the time being...it hasn't ...so pleas stfu and don't read seletively.

[ozymandias]

MORON!

11 new species doesn't that the species is new, but aside from the one they found the new gene, another 11 were discovered to have THE SAME GENE!!!!!

Ok 10 years later when they do become a different species...then I ll be proven wrong...for the time being...it hasn't ...so pleas stfu and don't read seletively.

Why should we expect you to admit you are wrong then, when you refuse to do so now, in the fact of evidence of speciation? You will just make up another excuse and ignore reality some more.