2 Million Ethnic Muslims Convert From Islam To Russian Orthodox Christianity

[Toramana]

graveyard I was actually searching for the number of people converting to Islam that I stumbled upon the news in the first post (2 millions Muslims converting to Christianity). At first, I tried avoid it and read only the news of my interest (conversions to Islam). Later, the curiosity of a researcher forced me to read it. Then I tried to verify it through google search and found other news about Muslims convertion to Christianity.

This is not really the question of ghairath and baigharatha. It is a blunder shutting our eyes to the reality. Instead of living in denial, we have to think deeply about the causes i.e., why the dis-illusionment....why has Muslims conversion to Christianity spurred in the last 2-3 decades? The causes have to be found and something has to be done about it. I think the reason is the failure of our societies.

And when I posted the Al-Jazeera interview of Shiekh Tankani, I didn't believe him entirely. I thought, he is exaggerating. Sometimes religious leaders do that to instill fear in their religious followers to rally them behind themselves. But then I found that it may be true e.g., Nigerai in 1953 had 70% Muslim population and 24% Christians but that has changed and now the population proportions are 52% Muslims and 48% Christians. Below are some videos to corroborate that.

‪Evangelism in Nigeria - Reinhard Bonnke‬‏ - YouTube

52 millions Christianized in Nigeria, 100 millions more to

‪Waves of Salvation - Reinhard Bonnke‬‏ - YouTube
‪On Target for 100 Million - Reinhard Bonnke‬‏ - YouTube

India

‪Reinhard Bonnke - Holy Spirit - Sermon in India Part 7‬‏ - YouTube

Middle East (watch from 3:04)...The man talking about the dream sounds to me having a mullah (of Christianity) mentality.

‪Muslims converting to Christ!! The Untold story~Acts 2:17‬‏ - YouTube

[ScimitarXEdge]

...you were right when you were telling us that you're completely gullible....those "Christian Convert" testimonies have been shown to be hoaxes.....no one denies that there exists converts, I mean you became Christian right? but its not like these large bodies of people are converting. But conversion will happen, even in Muhammad(saw)'s time there were apostates. It is what it is.

[Toramana]

Moreover, Christianity is making great inroads in Far East and South East Asia e.g., in South Korea, Christian population rose to 29% from 21% in recent decades...same is true of Vietnam, Taiwan, and Mainland China where Christianity is winning increasing number of adherents. In Malaysia, 2,50, 000 Muslims applied to courts to be apostates...In Indonesia, there are conversions, etc.

What astounded me while searching is to find that even in Afghanistan, there are now Christian converts (10,000+) and that there is a Dari speaking channel run by some Hazara to preach Christianity.

[Master Khan]

Why Toramana does these bull**** videos makes you happy?
it makes you happy when you see a Muslim converting to christainity.
its all lies, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, Muslims have proven Christains wrong anyway.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Is that what the 700 Club told you Toramana?

[gadoonwal]

There are many whites and hindos converting to islam,why do,nt you post that.?
toramana are you their preacher?
we respect all religion but you will not find a single pashtun christain.That dream of yours will go to hell.
who care about hazras ,they are already out of touch with islam.
The reason for them is economical.Once they enter the west that will change again.
The example of ,,nigeria,,is not wrong but then again the westren missioniries bribe them to chage the religion.
Many japanees and thai converted to islam.
islam is great religion and few fake videos will not cut their numbers.
In fact it is growing.There is problem with our society but that is cultural issue not an islamic one.
pashtun gerat is not that cheap.
your new country wasted billions of dollars to spread extremism but day by day failing.
The world is changing and now it is the asain turn.your new country and their allies in the euros are part of past.
I wonder soon you will start preaching hindoism or may be budism,who knows.
zaan ta jwand paida ka,pukhtana sa hazara yaa da aprekai nadi chi mazab ba pragdi aw haga hum da angreez da damtub dapara.
chi pa khata pakhtun vey aw pukhtania mermani aw plaar zegawali vey haga da dollaro dpara mazab na pragdi.

[randolph85]

lol @ "ethnic muslims"

[Toramana]

...you were right when you were telling us that you're completely gullible....those "Christian Convert" testimonies have been shown to be hoaxes.....no one denies that there exists converts, I mean you became Christian right? but its not like these large bodies of people are converting. But conversion will happen, even in Muhammad(saw)'s time there were apostates. It is what it is.

Typical mental crippledness not countering evidence with counter-evidence but with anger and frustration...what logical fallacy by the way?

Rest, guys, as I said, I first ignored the information obviously but then posted it thinking that we should be realistic and it may make us think what is the problem with our societies and what corrective measure needs to be taken. And I am not going to displace any body's belief one inch as long as there is an attitude of mutual tolerance....have got no interest in that.

Like SE, with typical mental lethargy and self-deception, I also initially thought this may all be an exaggeration but when I thought a bit deeply about it, I believed this may be a possibility....rather it may be a tip of the ice-berg. The reason for such feeling is below.

It seems to me the missionary work of Christians is the most systematic, methodical, and persistant of all the religions. Although, I don't know much about Christianity much but it sounds to me it is kind of in the tradition of the way Christianity historically expanded. I am not sure but it somehow seems to me that Muslim preaching is confined to Muslims only whereas Christian missionary work mainly targets non-Christians. It also seems to me that Christian missionaries are long-run planners and executors. Their persistent work might have born fruit.


Second Christian missionaries might not be fully disclosing or advertising the extent of their inroads into and the successes and achievments of their missionary work in Muslim societies especially in recent decades because (1) apostasy in Islam carries death penalty and the missionaries definitely would be keeping the names and identities of the converts secret (2) they would also be keeping the scale of conversion secret because the revelation of that would draw attention to the missionary work and create stiff opposition both religious, social, and political to the work from within Muslim societies thus reversing the progress made. So it is likely that the scale of conversion may be higher than what is being disclosed. Exaggeration though could also be not ruled out.


Why the conversion is also an interesting point. I think the reason is the failure in Muslim societies --- failure to modernise, failure to establish effective states and institutions, failure to reform societies politically and ideologically, etc...alll this coupled with extremism and militancy that is plaguing many Muslim societies (stigma of terrorism)---Oppression and negation of freedom of thought and expression by religious authorities like in Iran and SA, etc. may be also the causes for some Muslims to become desperate and disillusioned with their situation.

It is high time for Muslim societies to reform themselves in terms of better governance, economic management, democarcy, human rights, gender issues, technological transformation, etc.

[khushal]

First Christianity is almost dead, it has been replaced with secularism. Shaitan manipulated people by turning the teaching of Isa(aws) into some superstition beliefs and most people eventually rejected these superstition beliefs and and turned to secularism.
It does not make sense for a muslim to convert to Christianity, Its going backwards. Just like you don't see a large amount of christians converting to Judaism, you'll never see a large amount of muslims converting to christianity or a large amount of muslims converting to judaism. There are Muslims that reject the Islam that has been taught to them ie. Toramana because they also have been manipulated from the real message into some superstitious message.
People like Toramana always puts Islam in a superstitious or idol worshipping catagory and then tries to reason that it should be rejected in replaced by secularism.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You're posting blatant propaganda pieces by Christian prosyletists or obnoxious Shaikhs who want to stir animosity against Christian minorities in the Middle East

nothing you have posted so far even comes into the ball park as qualifying as evidence. It would be like showing me endless pages of Harry Potter and telling me that this proves that people can fly on broom sticks

The logical fallacy you're committing here is "appeal to authority".....no substantial references or studies just a "this guy said this this guy said that"

and by the way ....what inspired you to convert to Christianity? Did you feel existentially inferior because of their material wealth? Is this what motivates your feeble minded dividing Muslims tirades....you're really a covert Christian MIssionary gradually trying to steer Muslms out of Islam by stigmatizing it under ethnic propaganda?

[ScimitarXEdge]

I think the reason is the failure in Muslim societies --- failure to modernise, failure to establish effective states and institutions, failure to reform societies politically and ideologically,

Is
in other words .....imperially imposed inferiority complexes.....which would mean the problems is rooted outside of the society. The west Modernized because it abandoned Christianity, Muslims declined because they stopped implementing the principles of Islam......there's clearly without a doubt no reason to convert to Christianity if modernization or improving conditions in the Muslim world is the concern.

[Toramana]

First Christianity is almost dead, it has been replaced with secularism. Shaitan manipulated people by turning the teaching of Isa(aws) into some superstition beliefs and most people eventually rejected these superstition beliefs and and turned to secularism.
It does not make sense for a muslim to convert to Christianity, Its going backwards. Just like you don't see a large amount of christians converting to Judaism, you'll never see a large amount of muslims converting to christianity or a large amount of muslims converting to judaism. There are Muslims that reject the Islam that has been taught to them ie. Toramana because they also have been manipulated from the real message into some superstitious message.
People like Toramana always puts Islam in a superstitious or idol worshipping catagory and then tries to reason that it should be rejected in replaced by secularism.

Secularism has provided an environment to spiritualism/religion and modern way of life to co-exist harmonously. That is why, secular-democratic societies are today the most secure (so secure that you also have immigrated to one...you could have immigrated to Mecca or could gave stayed put in Kandahar) free of sectarianism, terror, militancy, etc. and are entering the post modern age.

You would not be having this Internet were it not for secularism. Imam Ghazali long ago had said science and philosophy are kufar.

But any how one can live in the utopian world of Mullah Omar as long as one wish to.

[ScimitarXEdge]

no it hasn't the only reason we're living in secular societies is because same secular societies have used different schemes and interferrences to push us out of our natural habitat and on top of that has corrupted and altered the global habitat on the whole.

so if anything secularism is in at least a significant factor in why we face the problem we face today...if not the root cause

[Toramana]

Is
in other words .....imperially imposed inferiority complexes.....which would mean the problems is rooted outside of the society. The west Modernized because it abandoned Christianity, Muslims declined because they stopped implementing the principles of Islam......there's clearly without a doubt no reason to convert to Christianity if modernization or improving conditions in the Muslim world is the concern.

It is in effect in Saudi Arabia. So you go back to SA or Yimin to bring Islamic principle into your life and I saty in the blessed land of North America.

What you call inferiority complex is being objective and rational. What you propose is actually indication of inferiority complex---unable to cope with the reality then seek refuge in the glory of the past.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I think what this thread has proven is how gullible and easily brainwashed Toramana is and how desperately and to great lengths he'll go to validate his brainwashing.

not only that but he lives in a False Dichotomy that if we dont have secularism we'll have Mullah Omar.....as if the great Islamic Powers of the Abbasids were anything like Mullah Omar. ....Toramana's been brainwashed by people hostile to his heritage and identity on how to view and understand his heritage. Uncle Tom house negro syndrome at its worst