2 Million Ethnic Muslims Convert From Islam To Russian Orthodox Christianity

[Toramana]

Typical Arab irrationality. What about the below? They are direct sources.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English...1.0.1988866222

Iran: Parliament to discuss death penalty for converts who leave Islam

Tehran, 19 March (AKI) - In its first session since last week's general elections, the new Iranian parliament is expected to discuss a law that will condemn to death anyone who decides to leave the Muslim faith and convert to other religions.

The parliament, also known as the Majlis, will debate the new law which has been presented by the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Under the proposed law, anyone who is born to Muslim parents and decides to convert to another faith, will face the death penalty.

Currently converts, particularly those who have decided to leave the Muslim faith for Evangelical churches, are arrested and then released after some years of detention.

The new legislation, which has caused concern in Iran and abroad, was proposed mainly because of fears of proselytising activities by Evangelical churches particularly through the use of satellite channels.

There has also been concern over fact that many young people in Iran have abandoned Islam because they're tired of the many restrictions imposed by the faith.

According to unofficial sources, in the past five years, one million Iranians, particularly young people and women, have abandoned Islam and joined Evangelical churches.

This phenomenon has surprised even the missionaries who carry out their activities in secret in Iran.

An Evangelical priest and former Muslim in Iran told Adnkronos International (AKI) that the conversions were "interesting, enthusiastic but very dangerous".

"The high number of conversions is the reason that the government has decided to make the repression of Christians official with this new law," said the priest on condition of anonymity.

"Often we get to know about a new community that has been formed, after a lot of time, given that the people gather in homes to pray and often with rituals that they invent without any real spiritual guide," he told AKI.

"We find ourselves facing what is more than a conversion to the Christian faith," he said. "It's a mass exodus from Islam."

Since the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran, at least eight Christians have been killed for their faith.

Seven of them were found stabbed to death after they were kidnapped while only one, Seyyed Hossein Soudmand was condemned to death.

Muslims converts face ostracism in France

Muslims are converting to Christianity in their thousands in France but face exclusion from their families and even death threats.

Muslims are converting to Christianity in their thousands in France but face exclusion from their families and even death threats.

Most Muslims hide their conversion and Protestant ministers do their utmost to protect new converts. It is estimated that every year in the world some six million Muslims convert to Christianity.

The Muezzin call to prayer. But here in France it is no longer reaching all Muslim ears.

Around 15,000 Muslims each year are converting to Christianity - around 10,000 to Catholicism and 5,000 to Protestantism....

http://zeenews.india.com/Zee-Exclusi...52375news.html

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Arab irrationality?

Arabs gave the modern world science.



anyways


I fail to see what's rational about unofficial unsubstantiated sources. You've been trying to prove a point for the last two hours and still each reference you have is weak. No one is denying the existence of converts to Christianity, after all you're a convert right? So we know you exist....but your desperate search for affirmation by trying to portray it as some epidemic scale event, is unfounded.

So the irrationality is your own..

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Russia becoming a Muslim state! | Asian Tribune

By Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury

Imagine Russia in 2050! According to Paul Goble, a specialist on ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation has predicted that within the next several decades, Russia will become a Muslim majority state. There is another bad news with fast decline in country’s population. This has already become a headache for Russian politicians and policy makers. President Vladimir Putin has called already for Russian women to have more children, because demographers predict that Russia’s population will fall from 143 million to 100 million by 2050. This situation has alarmed Russians as well Western leaders, more so because analysts estimate that Muslims will comprise the majority group in Russia’s population in few decades.

The Muslim population growth rate since 1989 is between 40 and 50 percent, depending on ethnic groups. Today Russia has about 8,000 mosques while 15 years there were only 300 mosques. According to statistics, by the end of 2015, number of mosques in Russia will cross 25,000. These statistics are frightening for many ethnic Russians who associate Islam with the Kremlin’s war against insurgents in Chechnya. Russia is shrinking. Alarmed by the situation, Putin has offered incentives to women who will have more children.

He said that the government would offer 1,500 roubles for the first child, and 3,000 roubles for the second child. He further said that the government will offer financial incentives to those couples who will adopt Russian orphans. But, response to Vladimir Putin’s call is almost zero. Main reason behind fast decline in non-Muslim population in Russia is, particularly larger section of young females in the country is not in favor of having even any child. If someone has, that is also limited within one only. On the other hand, almost all the Muslim couples have at least three children. The number generally ranges between 3-5.

Talking to Blitz, a leader of Moscow’s most populated area said, if the growth of Muslim population continues in the present trend, with the serious decline in population of other religious communities, Russian might ultimately end up as a Muslim state in next two decades. He suggested massive propaganda in favor of having more children in country’s mass media as well increase in the amount of incentives. He also pointed to the fact that, in most cases, such incentives might again go to the Muslim mothers, who generally have more than one child. This is not the question of incentives; it is a matter of realization for the entire non-Muslim Russian population. They should understand that by limited number of children, they are gradually pushing the fate of the country towards an Islamic federation.

Commenting on the issue, a former diplomat said, after the fall of Soviet Union, unfortunately, the entire Russian nation has lost their nationalist spirit, because of poverty and other socio-political adversities. Now they fear in having more than a single child in the family as the cost of living has become extremely expensive, while in most cases, female members of the families are rather forced to work in various fields to bring extra money for their families.

He said, not only the number of Muslim population in Russia is on fast growth because the Muslim women have more than one child, but in recent years, a large number of Islamist NGOs are actively working in the country, which are playing desperate role in having very large number of newly converts in Islam from other religion. He further said, especially the atheist groups are gradually getting inclined towards Islam because of extensive propaganda and activities of the Islamist NGOs.

Highly educated scholars are engaged in giving sermons in mosques and other public places on a regular basis, which is putting tremendous impact on the minds of the people, especially the younger generation. These Islamic clerics are even with suits and clean shaven face. They speak different languages fluently, which is a very strong point for them to attract the attention of already educated Russian people, who are in serious economic and social distress.

He said, in contrary to activities of Islamist NGOs, there are virtually no or very few activities of missionaries of other religious faiths in Russia. Although the Islamist clerics and missions have their hidden and open missions in mind, from their faces and sermons, it is really difficult to identify anything. They initially spread the message of peace, and end up with the poison of religious hatred and jihad. These groups are even gradually capturing Russian media, through investments via Western countries, which are actually Arab money. They are even spending money in giving voice and strength to Muslim leadership, with the ultimate goal of taking over the power of Kremlin.

Comparing the new converted Russian Muslims with Muslims in other countries, he said, they are more fanatics and their beliefs are deep rooted in their minds and thoughts. They openly pronounce that, the main reason behind accepting Islam was as salvage. Poison of hatred has greatly influenced their minds. They instantly take the example of Chechnya, where Kremlin forces committed serious massacre. In their inner thoughts, there is a kind of hatred for Russian leaders and for the non-Muslims, and they want to take revenge of Chechnya case.

A senior journalist with Russian Interfax news agency told Blitz Afro-Arab sources are putting millions of dollars behind Islamist NGOs in Russia. In near future, quite a number of important seats in Russian parliament will also go into the hands of Muslim leaders. He said, in Russian press clubs, number of Muslim journalists is increasing steadily. He said, millions of dollars are spent for building mosques and Islamist institutions in different parts of Moscow and other parts in Russia. The Islamist NGOs even operate orphanages, where children from various religions are adopted and later converted to Islam.

- Asian Tribune -

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comes to show that if you look ; you can find sources that say pretty much anything you'd want.

[unknownprince]

big foot also exits, and is hiding in Pakistan. The Lochness monster is also there.

[Toramana]

Mr Arab Machoman, you were asking for reliable statistics about Africa. So below is a credible source that presents detailed statistics.

In little more than a century, the religious landscape of sub-Saharan Africa has changed dramatically. As of 1900, both Muslims and Christians were relatively small minorities in the region. The vast majority of people practiced traditional African religions, while adherents of Christianity and Islam combined made up less than a quarter of the population, according to historical estimates from the World Religion Database.

Since then, however, the number of Muslims living between the Sahara Desert and the Cape of Good Hope has increased more than 20-fold, rising from an estimated 11 million in 1900 to approximately 234 million in 2010. The number of Christians has grown even faster, soaring almost 70-fold from about 7 million to 470 million. Sub-Saharan Africa now is home to about one-in-five of all the Christians in the world (21%) and more than one-in-seven of the world's Muslims (15%).....

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...ate=2011-04-16

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Farangay house negro boy.....here's what the link your posted states

The End of Christian and Muslim Expansion?

While the survey finds that both Christianity and Islam are flourishing in sub-Saharan Africa, the results suggest that neither faith may expand as rapidly in this region in the years ahead as it did in the 20th century, except possibly through natural population growth. There are two main reasons for this conclusion. First, the survey shows that most people in the region have committed to Christianity or Islam, which means the pool of potential converts from outside these two faiths has decreased dramatically. In most countries surveyed, 90% or more describe themselves as either Christians or Muslims, meaning that fewer than one-in-ten identify as adherents of other faiths (including African traditional religions) or no faith.

seriously Torabanana...why are you trying so hard to disparage Islam?

[Toramana]

And you were able to quote that article a typical South Asian living in fantasy. I was avoiding to post links that may object to be biased. See the links below.

http://web.archive.org/web/200710182...icle&artid=994

http://www.chowk.com/khadijabibi/iLo...year-in-Turkey

http://www.sbclife.org/Articles/2002/06/Sla1.asp

http://www.islamonline.net/i3/Conten...=1254573498385

http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue7947.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...lamic-religion

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/wo...pagewanted=all

http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/indexMembers.html

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yeah

those sources are biased...the one I posted as an Asian New Source; hence not biased .....please give up

even if I am Arab in your eyes, not that I care since to me you're a sold out colonized farangay slave it would only mean that you see an Arab as your intellectual superior since I am able to effectively dispatch you in every debate we have had. You have had a zero percent success rate in every debate with me.

[Toramana]

Farangay house negro boy.....here's what the link your posted states




seriously Torabanana...why are you trying so hard to disparage Islam?

Typical Arab with the egoistic attitude...Stupid, the first sentence says it all i.e., "neither Chistianity nor Islam will grow as fast as they grew in 20th Century"... (because the non-Christian and non-Muslims sub-saharan have already committed to either of these two religions with Christianity winning more adherents compared to Islam). The point is about the future growth rate relative to 20th Century growth rate not comparison of the expansion of the two religions in future. The author tries to answer the question "will Islam and Christianity grow as fast in sub-sahara in future as they in 20th Century.

But how can a beduine (and that also from Yimin) comprehend that. Need to take some classes in reading comprehension.

I am not disparaging Islam. This is to tell Muslims to wake up and reform their societies to have due place in the world.

[Toramana]

20Mln Muslims in Russia and mass conversion of ethnic Russians are myths - expert


Moscow, April 10, Interfax - The often-claimed proportion of Russian citizens belonging to the Muslim faith is overestimated, the Russian islamologist Roman Silantyev thinks.

'The most widespread estimation of 20 million Muslims is unrealistic,' Silantyev said as he presented his new book on Russian Islam in Moscow.

The number of Russian Muslims is 'the most serious myth' about Islam in today's Russia, where no verifiable data has been available so far.

Silantyev said he met estimations between 5 and 50 million Muslims in Russia.

In the same time the number of ethnic Muslims in Russia is more or less known and estimated to be 14.5 million, Silantyev said. Yet surveys say that there are only 7 to 9 million people who adhere to the Islamic faith in Russia.

Another popular myth is a mass conversion of ethnic Russian to Islam, he added.

'Less than 3,000 ethnic Russian have converted to Islam for the last 15 years,' Silantyev said.

According to the researcher, for the same period almost 2 million ethic Muslims have become Orthodox Christians for the same period. Over 400 Russian Orthodox clergy belong to traditionally Muslim ethnic groups, 20 percent of Tatars are Christian, and 70 percent of interfaith marriages result in the Muslim spouse conversion to Christianity.

WebCite query result

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Typical Arab with the egoistic attitude...Stupid, the first sentence says it all i.e., "neither Chistianity nor Islam will grow as fast as they grew in 20th Century"... (because the non-Christian and non-Muslims sub-saharan have already committed to either of these two religions with Christianity winning more adherents compared to Islam). The point is about the future growth rate relative to 20th Century growth rate not comparison of the expansion of the two religions in future. The author tries to answer the question "will Islam and Christianity grow as fast in sub-sahara in future as they in 20th Century.

But how can a beduine (and that also from Yimin) comprehend that. Need to take some classes in reading comprehension.

I am not disparaging Islam. This is to tell Muslims to wake up and reform their societies to have due place in the world.

yeah but your reforms are the wrong reforms; yours are just a strategy by your farangay masters to use house slaves like you as a trojan horse to promote their hegemonic agenda; they use "local looking" faces like you to make attempt to give such alterations and changes have a false appearance of legitimacy and natural social growth to portray their paradigm as some type of Natural social outcome of social development. These are of course fraudulent schemes and any anthorpologist can debunk them easily. what is the likliness that the "reforms" you're insisting of have a striking and peculiar resemblance to modeling social morality and ethics after the ones predominant in European ad North American societies?


you MUST be reading a different Pew Report than I am because this is what the one I was reading said


The End of Christian and Muslim Expansion?

While the survey finds that both Christianity and Islam are flourishing in sub-Saharan Africa, the results suggest that neither faith may expand as rapidly in this region in the years ahead as it did in the 20th century, except possibly through natural population growth. There are two main reasons for this conclusion. First, the survey shows that most people in the region have committed to Christianity or Islam, which means the pool of potential converts from outside these two faiths has decreased dramatically. In most countries surveyed, 90% or more describe themselves as either Christians or Muslims, meaning that fewer than one-in-ten identify as adherents of other faiths (including African traditional religions) or no faith.

You accuse me of bad reading comprehension; when you don't even have the ability to read things properly. Of course you ignore the parts which are painful for your desperate farangay agenda to abssorb.

stop trying to place your inferiority, feelings of ethnic inadequacy and shallowness on me; your short comings are your own. And stop posing as if you're representative of a Pashtun voice; you're a Farangay voice attempting to masquerade itself as a local one to collapse the society from within. Even if you were once Pashtun, you have forfeited whatever was Pashtun about you to change your name to Uncle Tom

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20Mln Muslims in Russia and mass conversion of ethnic Russians are myths - expert


Moscow, April 10, Interfax - The often-claimed proportion of Russian citizens belonging to the Muslim faith is overestimated, the Russian islamologist Roman Silantyev thinks.

'The most widespread estimation of 20 million Muslims is unrealistic,' Silantyev said as he presented his new book on Russian Islam in Moscow.

The number of Russian Muslims is 'the most serious myth' about Islam in today's Russia, where no verifiable data has been available so far.

Silantyev said he met estimations between 5 and 50 million Muslims in Russia.

In the same time the number of ethnic Muslims in Russia is more or less known and estimated to be 14.5 million, Silantyev said. Yet surveys say that there are only 7 to 9 million people who adhere to the Islamic faith in Russia.

Another popular myth is a mass conversion of ethnic Russian to Islam, he added.

'Less than 3,000 ethnic Russian have converted to Islam for the last 15 years,' Silantyev said.

According to the researcher, for the same period almost 2 million ethic Muslims have become Orthodox Christians for the same period. Over 400 Russian Orthodox clergy belong to traditionally Muslim ethnic groups, 20 percent of Tatars are Christian, and 70 percent of interfaith marriages result in the Muslim spouse conversion to Christianity.

WebCite query result

This is the same article you posted before on another site ....hahhaa ....and you're accusing others of bad reading comprehension.

[faye]

'a rose by any other name will smell the same'. people can call themselves whatever they want but from my point of view, it is how they behave and whether they are going to work together to fix the mess on the planet.

[graveyardofempires]

what non sense

Toramana you lost all ghairath and now you are beign against us Pashtuns.
these sources and stories are all bogus.
just look at your fake al jazeera link.

you should be ashamed of yourself.

here is something you twisted character can ponder upon.
‪1.8 million coptic christian in egypt converted to Islam last 36 years?‬‏ - YouTube