Does God exist ?

[pir_Rokhan]

Dear readers

Those amongst you who have any serious purpose and aims in your life other than eat ,drink and be merry are invited to reflect on the ontological topic cited above.

[*Mahzala*]

Re: Does God exist ?

Those among us who have purpose are aware of Gods existence, and THAT is our purpose - to serve Him, and seek His Pleasure. I am not going to write a foot-long post. The evidence is clear. What exactly are you trying to achieve?

[tor_khan]

Re: Does God exist ?

Dear readers

Those amongst you who have any serious purpose and aims in your life other than eat ,drink and be merry are invited to reflect on the ontological topic cited above.

Nationalism and religiosity are not the same, BUT if they were ever to converge - take Bacha Khan's example - and come together in a Pashtoon national movement, I couldn't imagine a Pashtoonistan, a Loy Afghanistan etc. etc. where Islam had no role. Sure we have some secular Pashtoons and NO I don't think it helps to lecture either side.

If you believe the universe is limitless, and even if you don't, there's no reason not to believe that God exists.

[Roshina]

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Interesting topic (although I think you should expect some fiery replies, lol). Maybe we could look into the philosophical arguments that support God's existence and those that support God's lack of existence. That way, we'll have better reasons to support our beliefs, whether they're atheist beliefs or theist beliefs. After all, we shouldn't assume that just because belief in God works for *us*, it would/should works for everyone else too; it doesn't, and there's no reason for it to. Those who believe in God may have their reasons, but atheists ALSO have their reasons.

May I suggest -- those who strongly believe in God and don't see a point in holding any discussions regarding it, please be careful about what you say. Insulting others, those who disagree with our beliefs, is the worst weapon we can use to "prove ourselves correct," and it is in fact the weapon of the weak and the insecure. I hope we're more confident in our faith and beliefs and won't have to turn to abuses, name-calling, etc. to make our point.

[tor_khan]

Re: Does God exist ?

Interesting topic (although I think you should expect some fiery replies, lol). Maybe we could look into the philosophical arguments that support God's existence and those that support God's lack of existence. That way, we'll have better reasons to support our beliefs, whether they're atheist beliefs or theist beliefs. After all, we shouldn't assume that just because belief in God works for *us*, it would/should works for everyone else too; it doesn't, and there's no reason for it to. Those who believe in God may have their reasons, but atheists ALSO have their reasons.

May I suggest -- those who strongly believe in God and don't see a point in holding any discussions regarding it, please be careful about what you say. Insulting others, those who disagree with our beliefs, is the worst weapon we can use to "prove ourselves correct," and it is in fact the weapon of the weak and the insecure. I hope we're more confident in our faith and beliefs and won't have to turn to abuses, name-calling, etc. to make our point.

Now that the ground rules are set ...

1 ... 2 ... 3 ... GO!

P.S. Thanks Q!

[Master Khan]

Re: Does God exist ?

All I can say is "Allah Akbar" :D
I Pray to him and its helps me alot. If I was a atheist then I would just drink, go to clubs and pubs etc.

[pir_Rokhan]

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Well I know what all of your except miss Qrratugai are thinking.However I amhere just to surpise you and nothing else.Do not expect that Iam going to get into the class 8th grade type of in faour and against camps as my purpose is absolutely different.

Let uis start the game. Here is the first surpise.

If all of you insist that God exist then I will opine that God doesnt exist and if any one of you think that God doesnt exist then I would argue for his existence.

As all of you belive in existence so here are my arguments for non existence.
post by post to each poster.

[Roshina]

Re: Does God exist ?

Interesting topic (although I think you should expect some fiery replies, lol). Maybe we could look into the philosophical arguments that support God's existence and those that support God's lack of existence. That way, we'll have better reasons to support our beliefs, whether they're atheist beliefs or theist beliefs. After all, we shouldn't assume that just because belief in God works for *us*, it would/should works for everyone else too; it doesn't, and there's no reason for it to. Those who believe in God may have their reasons, but atheists ALSO have their reasons.

May I suggest -- those who strongly believe in God and don't see a point in holding any discussions regarding it, please be careful about what you say. Insulting others, those who disagree with our beliefs, is the worst weapon we can use to "prove ourselves correct," and it is in fact the weapon of the weak and the insecure. I hope we're more confident in our faith and beliefs and won't have to turn to abuses, name-calling, etc. to make our point.

Now that the ground rules are set ...

1 ... 2 ... 3 ... GO!

P.S. Thanks Q!

But, Tor Khan, I have sooo much to sayyyyy! But I've a bit too much to say to get involved at this point, mara. If only you knew the fire inside me right now :P I hope i doesn't die out soon.

It's just that, I took this class last year called "Philosophy of Religion," and it was one of the most enlightening courses in the history of my education. In there, we read, analyzed, and critiqued the works of philosophers from the beginning -- in the B.C.E. -- until the mid 1900s. The textbook was one of those types that present a "pro-God" perspective and the article after that (that we had to read) would be an "anti-God" perspective, refuting what the previous author/philosopher had said. So, basically, I don't think any questions we have today are new; they've been responded to by believers/non-believers in the past in a very scholarly manner. We get to choose which side to go with. If we believe in God and want to know what influential theist philosophers said ABOUT God, we can turn to them and adopt their argument; if we are atheists, we can turn to influential atheist philosophers and see what they said to support their/our beliefs.

General Note: It should not be assumed that ANY of us here who have not clearly declared themselves atheists are atheists.

[*Mahzala*]

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May I suggest -- those who strongly believe in God and don't see a point in holding any discussions regarding it, please be careful about what you say. Insulting others, those who disagree with our beliefs, is the worst weapon we can use to "prove ourselves correct," and it is in fact the weapon of the weak and the insecure. I hope we're more confident in our faith and beliefs and won't have to turn to abuses, name-calling, etc. to make our point.

Wa idha khatabahumul jahiluna qaalu salama.

[pir_Rokhan]

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Those among us who have purpose are aware of Gods existence, and THAT is our purpose - to serve Him, and seek His Pleasure. I am not going to write a foot-long post. The evidence is clear. What exactly are you trying to achieve?

You mean existence of purpose proves God exists.It means for those who have purpose God exists and for those who have no pupose God doesnt exist.This implies that God exist and does not exist at the same time.This is the violation of first law of logic.A thing cannot exist and non-exist at a time.Hence the idea of God is absurd.

When there exist no idea [God] hence any attribute of that idea [to serve that idea, to please that idea etc] is meaningless.

Let me know if you need any explanation.

[pir_Rokhan]

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[quote=tor_khan]

Dear readers

If you believe the universe is limitless, and even if you don't, there's no reason not to believe that God exists.

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The limitlessness or the limitation of universe has nothing to do with the existenceof God.Beyond this what you are asserting is in the academic status of "claim" which needs some argument for its validity.

We will not discuss the political implication of ontology debate.

[*Mahzala*]

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Let me know if you need any explanation.

No, it seems you need the explanation. I have made myself very clear.

Those of us who have a serious purpose in life (as you like to call it) are already serving that purpose. Do you need an explanation? You call it a game with surprises? Whats next?

[pir_Rokhan]

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All I can say is "Allah Akbar" :D
I Pray to him and its helps me alot. If I was a atheist then I would just drink, go to clubs and pubs etc.

Allah Akbar in Arabic means God is great.This is a claim. If God exists then we can debate whether he is great or otherwise.

Praying helps you a lot psychologically. This is called therapy. Abstract ideas ,mainly discussed in religions, are good therapeutic techbniques. This however does not imply that there is someone with whom you interact. We get psychological relief by using drugs too and a lot of other activities which are beyond the civilised limits.

Do you mean to say those who belive in God do not go to clubs and pubs. Come to ME [UAE,BAHRAIN etc] you will know what miscocneption are you suffering from. Having said that your going or not going to club or pub in no way proves or disproves the existence of God. Hence your argument is absurd.

[pir_Rokhan]

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May I suggest -- those who strongly believe in God and don't see a point in holding any discussions regarding it, please be careful about what you say. Insulting others, those who disagree with our beliefs, is the worst weapon we can use to "prove ourselves correct," and it is in fact the weapon of the weak and the insecure. I hope we're more confident in our faith and beliefs and won't have to turn to abuses, name-calling, etc. to make our point.

Wa idha khatabahumul jahiluna qaalu salama.

This ayat means that when the people with a conscious goal in life address those who are not aware of their goal they wish peace to them so that they do not get aggravated.

The fact that I am just arguing means that I wish peace for all and no fight which is the reflexive reaction to the challenge of a concept in one's mind according to psychology.

[pir_Rokhan]

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No, it seems you need the explanation. I have made myself very clear.

Those of us who have a serious purpose in life (as you like to call it) are already
serving that purpose. Do you need an explanation? You call it a game with surprises? Whats next?.

I agree that a lot of us would have serious purpose in life and they would be serving that purpose but my question is: How does this prove the existence of God.

If you see history or even contemporary world,the combined serius people who are serving their pupose [if not serving humanity] are less than the serious people in one institute say NASA of one city of one country. How does the serving or non serving provre the existecne of God?