Does God exist ?

[Son of Mountains]

Re: Does God exist ?

How does God not exist???????????? :o

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

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@Zafarkhel, how about this:

Theism:

The belief that there was nothing and then nothing happened to nothing and suddenly, an All-Powerful genderless being pooped out of nothing and then with nothing, he magically created everything.......

The fact is that theists know nothing about the beginning of time except what the fairytales in their bronze and iron-age texts tell them to believe.

@pir_Rokhan, you can sleep easily tonight for God doesn't exist and there's no eternal torture chamber of fire for you if you:

- Don't sit down while taking a piss.
- Don't sit down while drinking water.
- Shave the excess hair growing on your face.
- Have anal sex with your partner (taubah taubah taubah x1000)
- Don't stay hungry from dawn to dusk in Ramadan.
- Reaffirm everyday that your deity is the true one while that of others is false.

etc, etc, etc.....

[Roshina]

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^ Are you an Athiest?

I think this question is absolutely irrelevant to the discussion, wror jaana me.

But if I am, so what? If I'm not, so what? What does it change for you -- or for me?

And if I were an atheist, I wouldn't be afraid to say it openly at all.

[Master Khan]

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You got to think about after life aswell.

[pir_Rokhan]

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If you have made up your mind that you feel the need to question His existence, then, I feel convincing you is like putting cows milk back through its teats. Youre pulling questions that I have already answered. I dont like repeating myself. Lets get simple. I believe God exists, for many reasons, you may call them 'my' reasons.
And His existence is my lifes purpose. I wake up with His name, sleep to His Speech. And to seek His Pleasure is my ultimate aim. Full stop.You have your beliefs, I, mine. If we cant come to common terms, its futile arguing

I am still waiting for a single reason ,granay khoray.
I donot mind your beliefs,what I am asking is what is the basis of your belief? thats it.I havent stopped you to love him,worship him,sleep with his name,wake with his name,or seek his pelasure.
My question is how do you know he is there.If he is there then you may do all these and even some more.

[pir_Rokhan]

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God exists, Its obvious to ME.

I hope you wont mind if you make it obvious to me too.I will very much apprciate it.

[pir_Rokhan]

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^ A little thing called faith

To cut a long story short, Pir_Rokhan, do you believe in His exitstence?

Athiest also have purpose of life and more serious one as they also do not believe in any life in the grave,as you can imagine.

Just curious...what do they believe as their purpose in life? Any athiest feel free to answer.

Life without God is like living without breathing...of course that's just my opinion..

Good question Khanay

As there is no connection necessarily between the purpose in life and Belief and disbeleif in God ,hence they have different purpose in life and they keep on changing too with the passage of time.Like in childhood your purpose might be to get some
toy,play a certain game,eat something special then in youth your purpose might be different to explore ,to enjoy,to love a girl,in middle age you might become ambitous and practical and mature and later you might want to make sense of it all.

[Master Khan]

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You got to think about afterlife aswell.
science can't prove afterlife.
When we die then what, We get our answers from the Quran.

[pir_Rokhan]

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I think we need to define God. What is "God"? Is it a Being or a Concept... or both or neither? Can we call God an "It" or is it always a "He"? Because God is often referred to as a "He," what will happen if someone referred to God as a "She"? Will it be a sin? And why or why not? So, yeah, only once we've defined it can we really decide if God exists or not. Pir Rokhan, I'm interested in your definition of God. How do you define God if God exists, and how do you define Him if He doens't exist?

God is defined according to the intellectual level of a person.The God of one person might not be that of another.
It is on one hand the inability and lack of knowledge of man since times unknown when he was helpless and needed a psychological support for strength.Then on another level it was the inability of man to escape the reality of the life,world and universe and live in fantasies.Then on another level it is the height of thought when man transcends the material and think in abstract terms.Then on an aesthetic level it is the idealisation instinct of a man who wants to attribute all aspects and beauty and perfection to someone.Then on a social level it may pertain to challenging the existing societies strucuture to liberate it from dominating and autocratic human who think it is their birth or social rigth to govern and rule people.Then on a personal , emotional and parapsychoogical level it is the personification of confidance in man that he can do anyhting.
At a scinetific level ,the highest philosophical concept of god is the laws in the universe which control all other subservient laws.

There are various arguments for the proof of God:

1) Otological proof
2) Teleological proof
3) The proof of order

Rest some other time.

[pir_Rokhan]

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You got to think about after life aswell.

Yes I agree.Let us first think about this life to make some sense out of it then we can think over other levels or concepts of life too.I am sure we have not finished or may be even started thinking about this life.

[pir_Rokhan]

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My stance on this is quite simple,

if you have faith, you would argue yes.
if you do not have faith, you argue no.
I'd rather go with YES, cause it's a win-win situation. If everything turns out to be right, here comes the Virgins, if it doesn't oh well.
No if I go no he doesn't, Here comes hell.

Well, though this is Muslim league type of concept ,whose one faction is always in power and other in opposition to fool the rest of Pakisatanis but let us assume I agree with you.I have just one question.

Is there any reason to have or not to have FAITH.

If you have reason tell us.If you dont have reason then why dont you beleive in SUN or Shiv Langam ,or Snake or Fire or Jesus or Ram or .........?

[pir_Rokhan]

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@Zafarkhel, how about this:

Theism:

The belief that there was nothing and then nothing happened to nothing and suddenly, an All-Powerful genderless being pooped out of nothing and then with nothing, he magically created everything.......The fact is that theists know nothing about the beginning of time except what the fairytales in their bronze and iron-age texts tell them to believe.

@pir_Rokhan, you can sleep easily tonight for God doesn't exist and there's no eternal torture chamber of fire for you if you:

- Don't sit down while taking a piss.
- Don't sit down while drinking water.
- Shave the excess hair growing on your face.
- Have anal sex with your partner (taubah taubah taubah x1000)
- Don't stay hungry from dawn to dusk in Ramadan.
- Reaffirm everyday that your deity is the true one while that of others is false.

etc, etc, etc.....

Heathen
What you are referring to has nothing to do with the concept of God.This is called ORGANISED RELIGION.The systems which Pir,Prohat,Pundit and Padri [the 4 P's] developed to control the lives of poor and ignorant masses.
Only that thought or action is okay which is approved by sceince.If science says that there is God then we have to accept [there ios no need to believe as something which cant be verified is called believing,somethig which exists objectively and has properties which can be verified and falsified need not to be believed].
We humans do not have any other way to know truth except science.

[pir_Rokhan]

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You got to think about afterlife aswell.
science can't prove afterlife.
When we die then what, We get our answers from the Quran.

We are not even able to get our answers from the Quran about this life and you are concerned about afterlife.Quran was a classic arabic literary book and was used as a book to bring about a revolution in the Arab society to make them a dynamic nation,like the Das Kapital of Karl Marx,The origin of species by means of natural selection of Darwin , the thesis on relativity of Einstein or the Mathematica of Newton or the Republic of of Plato or the Politics of Aristitle etc.However it is now used as means of income for the talib and mulla and its interpreation is used to inspire youngsters to commit suicide and kill others..

[Master Khan]

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[quote=pir_Rokhan]

You got to think about afterlife aswell.
science can't prove afterlife.
When we die then what, We get our answers from the Quran.

We are not even able to get our answers from the Quran now.And you are concerned about afterlife.Quran was a classic arabic literary book and was used as a book to bring about a revolution in the Arab society to make them a dynamic nation,like the Das Kapital of Karl Marx,The origin of species by means of natural selection of Darwin , the thesis on relativity of Einstein or the Mathematica of Newton or the Republic of of Plato or the Politics of Aristitle etc.However it is now used as means of income for the talib and mulla and its interpreation is used to inspire youngsters to commit suicide and kill others..[/quote:tzfq6csi]
commit suicide is wrong in Islam, Its a sin to commit suicide, god give you life to live it and god will take your life away.
we got our belives and you got yours.
Our prophets(peace be upon them) want through really bad times to spread the message of allah and they suceeded.
Most of these science stuff were proven in the quran anyway
Mecca is the center of the world,

[Master Khan]

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Look at this Website plz.

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html