Evolution contradicts Islam

[ScimitarXEdge]

Scholar tafsir wasn't wrong...a tafsir is not even needed for that ayat .. the word dahaha is clear in itself ..so your example was a FAIL!
I just tried to give you a deeper understanding of it ..but you just kept burying your head in the sand ...

Yeah ..and now you can read the signs in NAture which are more clear to you than the Qur'an it self ... Very RICH!

What's next? You are going to read the future in coffee mug stains? Why not? It's also nature.

The word dahaha is proof that the world is flat?

Good lord, so explain how we have evidence that the world is round? All this to defend man-made opinions

you worship humans, not God.

[Alchemist]

Oh ok ... good ...

(ix) The world is created, and is not pre-eternal (only the philosophers are against this view).

So on the basis of this you are saying that Adam must have evolved from prime apes?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Oh ok ... good ...




So on the basis of this you are saying that Adam must have evolved from prime apes?

No on this basis I say that Universe is the Physical Qur'an.

[ScimitarXEdge]

on the basis on biochemistry I say that Adam was descended from Apes; how is it if we're made of clay, that we are composed of cells, just like apes are in a similar protein arrangement, and not particles of silicate. LOL

[Alchemist]

The word dahaha is proof that the world is flat?

Good lord, so explain how we have evidence that the world is round? All this to defend man-made opinions

you worship humans, not God.

Why are you playing stupid?

Dahaha means spread out ...layed out .. flattened out ... and the next verse clearly says ...put rivers on it and pastures ...so it becomes easy for to live on it... in other verses Allah says wal ja3alal ard firaashan ...made the earth like a carpet ...so you can walk on it ..the implication is the same ... there is no mention of the shape of the planet ...and you are a fool for implying that it was ever meant like that ..when I specifically told you that Muslim Ulama knew the world was round even before your western buddies knew what science was...


SO PUT THE STRAWMAN TO REST!

[ScimitarXEdge]

Great!


can you define tautology now

So Angels are Nature?
The Universe is Nature?
We are Nature

Everything is Nature...except Allah?

Not a Tautology at all

Angels aren't "apart" of the universe, they transcend it, so they are SUPER Natural, The Universe is Nature

we are apart of Universe, we are A-PART of Nature.

Allah(swt) transcends nature and is sovereign so does not conform to "dictates",

[Alchemist]

on the basis on biochemistry I say that Adam was descended from Apes; how is it if we're made of clay, that we are composed of cells, just like apes are in a similar protein arrangement, and not particles of silicate. LOL

There is no biochemical evidence for that!

You base it on that stupid program? Even after I should you how biased it was? Even though I showed you that there are serious doubts about the phylogeny "tree of life" ..."lateral" gene transfer can't happen if it is "Branched" ...right? Now they call it a "web" ....


hahaha "not particles of silicate"

what about the ayat where Isa moulds clay into the shape of birds and by the permission of Allah comes to life?

You deny the verse?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Why are you playing stupid?

Dahaha means spread out ...layed out .. flattened out ... and the next verse clearly says ...put rivers on it and pastures ...so it becomes easy for to live on it... in other verses Allah says wal ja3alal ard firaashan ...made the earth like a carpet ...so you can walk on it ..the implication is the same ... there is no mention of the shape of the planet ...and you are a fool for implying that it was ever meant like that ..when I specifically told you that Muslim Ulama knew the world was round even before your western buddies knew what science was...


SO PUT THE STRAWMAN TO REST!

That doesn't mean that the world in TOTAL is flat, it means that the earth in relation to how it contacts human feet is leveled, not the entire shape of the earth is a flat surface.

Goodness


Do you even know what a straw man is?!?!?!?!


And read the Tafsir al-Jalalayn that was posted earlier in the thread, or did you selectively forget how they claimed that the Ulama believe the shape of the Earth is flat instead of round as the astronomers say? Go back, read up.

You think pomp and stubbornness is a refutation, you're wrong.

[Alchemist]

Not a Tautology at all

Angels aren't "apart" of the universe, they transcend it, so they are SUPER Natural, The Universe is Nature

we are apart of Universe, we are A-PART of Nature.

Allah(swt) transcends nature and is sovereign so does not conform to "dictates",

Allah Trenscends Nature

and Angels Transcend Nature?

So what does the verse "Suma Anzalnahu Asfal al safaleen" mean?

[ScimitarXEdge]

There is no biochemical evidence for that!

You base it on that stupid program? Even after I should you how biased it was? Even though I showed you that there are serious doubts about the phylogeny "tree of life" ..."lateral" gene transfer can't happen if it is "Branched" ...right? Now they call it a "web" ....


hahaha "not particles of silicate"

what about the ayat where Isa moulds clay into the shape of birds and by the permission of Allah comes to life?

You deny the verse?

what does that verse have to do with the fact we're not made of particles of silicate and that apes share similar proteins to us?

[Alchemist]

what does that verse have to do with the fact we're not made of particles of silicate and that apes share similar proteins to us?

EVERYTHING

you are denying that Allah has created us from clay/earth/mud/water because it is not possible ..but He can do it!

And so what if we share proteins with apes? We also share proteins with other mammals too! We share proteins even with frogs and lizards and snakes and even flies! So what? Does that mean we came from all of them?

You are speaking nonsense


Your definition for Nature was :

The things which Allah(swt) has formed by the Dictates of Allah to Govern His Universe.

Angels fit this Definition because they are formed by the dictates of Allah to Govern His Universe.

And now you say that they Transcend Nature...they are Super Natural.

Tautology!


You FAIL!

AGAIN!

anyway brah ...

its getting late...


I ll read that Kamal's "dissertation" in the morrow in shallah ....and pull it at the seams...kay?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Allah Trenscends Nature

and Angels Transcend Nature?

So what does the verse "Suma Anzalnahu Asfal al safaleen" mean?

firstly you have the verse completely wrong

it's TTHHHHHHHHUMMA radadnahu asfala safileena

it means we degrade him to the lowest depth.

[ScimitarXEdge]

EVERYTHING

you are denying that Allah has created us from clay/earth/mud/water because it is not possible ..but He can do it!

No I deny that he created us from mud/earth/water because they contradict each other, and because the evidence shows otherwise.

And so what if we share proteins with apes? We also share proteins with other mammals too! We share proteins even with frogs and lizards and snakes and even flies! So what? Does that mean we came from all of them?

Exactly, proving that we evolved, thanks.


You are speaking nonsense


Your definition for Nature was :

Angels fit this Definition because they are formed by the dictates of Allah to Govern His Universe.

No they don't, they aren't apart of this universe.

And now you say that they Transcend Nature...they are Super Natural.

That's what being outside the universe means.

Tautology!

Please stop arbitrarily using words you don't understand. You seem to think tautology means contradiction

see what happens when you drop out of school to work at Subway does to you? Be a real intellect and go back to school.

You FAIL!

AGAIN

You committed a Straw Man (which means misrepresenting someone's position by distorting it .....not what you were insinuating)

anyway brah ...

its getting late..

True , Subway Sandwhich shops doesnt open itself

I ll read that Kamal's "dissertation" in the morrow in shallah ....and pull it at the seams...kay?

I love how an uneducated subway worker has so much gall

[Alchemist]

No I deny that he created us from mud/earth/water because they contradict each other, and because the evidence shows otherwise.




Exactly, proving that we evolved, thanks.




No they don't, they aren't apart of this universe.



That's what being outside the universe means.




Please stop arbitrarily using words you don't understand. You seem to think tautology means contradiction

see what happens when you drop out of school to work at Subway does to you? Be a real intellect and go back to school.




You committed a Straw Man (which means misrepresenting someone's position by distorting it .....not what you were insinuating)



True , Subway Sandwhich shops doesnt open itself




I love how an uneducated subway worker has so much gall

So basically there is only the Universe...and nothing else = materialism.

So that is what it has come down to?

I disproved you using your own words against you. So I didn't distort anything.

I spit on the kind of education that turns one into a fasiq and a mushrik. "Ollaika Aldheena Eshtarol Dallalata bil Huda"

Your evidence against qur'an is not even scientific . It is just conjecture!

Failure.

You are the strawman.

Go study for your test...boy. Get a star from your agnostic "teacher". When you are in the real world again ...come back and talk to me. Until then enjoy your delusions in your "intellectual" cocoon.

[ScimitarXEdge]

So basically there is only the Universe...and nothing else = materialism.

So that is what it has come down to?

I disproved you using your own words against you. So I didn't distort anything.

I spit on the kind of education that turns one into a fasiq and a mushrik. "Ollaika Aldheena Eshtarol Dallalata bil Huda"

Your evidence against qur'an is not even scientific . It is just conjecture!

Failure.

You are the strawman.

Go study for your test...boy. Get a star from your agnostic "teacher". When you are in the real world again ...come back and talk to me. Until then enjoy your delusions in your "intellectual" cocoon.

Straw man #1000284745656 .....You were asking me what Nature was, I clearly made the definition in context of the universe, this doesn't mean Allah has no domain outside of it....crap

you are an idiot