Evolution contradicts Islam

[Alchemist]

Na2udhubillah so God is the words he created?

You've lost your mind, all out of pride of having to avoid admitting your errors.

well as it stands ...substitute words for nature

Na3uzbillah .. God is the Nature he Created?


OHHHH...

all out of pride of having to avoid admitting your errors...

go ahead

define Nature..

I am curious ..since Muhammed peace be upon him is the LIVING qur'an ..what is this "nature" suppose to be?


p.s giving me a link to a kurdish ph.d student of philosophy whose thesis was "The Master-Slave Relationship in Hegel's Dialectic Philosophy" as a source for your heretical claims that Nature is Quran ... rich!

[Alchemist]

Nah "brah" your brain can only comprehend thinking in circles; .....I mean that's pretty much what the Tafsirs you base your opinion are ."the Earth is flat because the Mufassireen say so, how do they know that? because the Qur'an says so, how do they know the Qur'an says so? because the Mufasireen say so."

hahhaa

we've already been over this a hundred times ...why are you making an ass out of your self? you are a grown man...you know better...
we know what it means ... you are the one splitting hair over it and you are the one running in circles chasing your own tail thinking it is us...why is that you think you are the only smart one who has figured out "Earth is flat" means "earth is leveled" ?

[ScimitarXEdge]

well as it stands ...substitute words for nature

Na3uzbillah .. God is the Nature he Created?


OHHHH...

all out of pride of having to avoid admitting your errors...

go ahead

define Nature..

I am curious ..since Muhammed peace be upon him is the LIVING qur'an ..what is this "nature" suppose to be?


p.s giving me a link to a kurdish ph.d student of philosophy whose thesis was "The Master-Slave Relationship in Hegel's Dialectic Philosophy" as a source for your heretical claims that Nature is Quran ... rich!

pHD students dont write thesis, they write dissertations; read the material within,

A PhD students dissertation is academically credible; man-made tafsirs are not.

[ScimitarXEdge]

we've already been over this a hundred times ...why are you making an ass out of your self? you are a grown man...you know better...
we know what it means ... you are the one splitting hair over it and you are the one running in circles chasing your own tail thinking it is us...why is that you think you are the only smart one who has figured out "Earth is flat" means "earth is leveled" ?

All you do is throw back whatever I state back at me; you have no real counter response

and talk about patting yourself on the back? You were the one behaving as if your poor understanding of your source material was "proving someone wrong" when you clearly dont understand what they're actually saying.

I guess hard polysyllabic science words are difficult for a Pea-Brained slave of Man-Made interpretations.

[Alchemist]

The things which Allah(swt) has formed by the Dictates of Allah to Govern His Universe.

Great!


can you define tautology now

So Angels are Nature?
The Universe is Nature?
We are Nature

Everything is Nature...except Allah?

[Alchemist]

All you do is throw back whatever I state back at me; you have no real counter response

and talk about patting yourself on the back? You were the one behaving as if your poor understanding of your source material was "proving someone wrong" when you clearly dont understand what they're actually saying.

I guess hard polysyllabic science words are difficult for a Pea-Brained slave of Man-Made interpretations.

LOL

and what are your interpretations? Nature-Made?
LOL

where do you come up with this stuff huh?

[Alchemist]

pHD students dont write thesis, they write dissertations; read the material within,

A PhD students dissertation is academically credible; man-made tafsirs are not.

Oh so that is what it comes down to ...

it's just a question of what title ...ph.d vs Sheikh ...

any joe can be a sheikh ...but only a specially bright man can get a ph.d?

What a joke!

LOL

I asked you for a real Mu'tazali Scholar who knows Islam, i.e Qur'an. This philosophy student is fluent in the Ilm of Kalam...which has nothing to do with the teachings of Muhammad, sallalahu alihi wa salam.

You are just a slave of the institutions you have devoted your life to.

[ScimitarXEdge]

LOL

and what are your interpretations? Nature-Made?
LOL

where do you come up with this stuff huh?

well God made since God made nature.

[Alchemist]

well God made since God made nature.

You must be Prophet Solomon incarnate because you can talk to Nature ... and God ...

That boy in your avatar ... don't tell me he is actually related to you.


No! Seriously...start your own sect.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Oh so that is what it comes down to ...

it's just a question of what title ...ph.d vs Sheikh ...

any joe can be a sheikh ...but only a specially bright man can get a ph.d?

What a joke!

LOL

I asked you for a real Mu'tazali Scholar who knows Islam, i.e Qur'an. This philosophy student is fluent in the Ilm of Kalam...which has nothing to do with the teachings of Muhammad, sallalahu alihi wa salam.

You are just a slave of the institutions you have devoted your life to.

the PhD scholar does research, the Shaikh, well let me clarify , the GOOD Shaikhs use research too, the bad Shaikh use their position as Shaikh as justification


Read the paper, it talks about Mut'aziliyeen who believe the Qur'an is created. In fact that's a fundamental belief for us.

It's merely a creation of God, like Nature is.

[Alchemist]

This is Rich....

You are a Nature Worshiper.

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You must be Prophet Solomon incarnate because you can talk to Nature ... and God ...

That boy in your avatar ... don't tell me he is actually related to you.


No! Seriously...start your own sect.

Nature shows signs, it doesnt need to communicate verbally.

I don't need to

the boy in my avatar ....again told you before he's some inside joke amongst the Afghan Interweb community

By the way you keep accusing others of strawing; but the reason I mentioned the Earth being flat, was to show you a Scholars Tafsir can be wrong.

[Alchemist]

the PhD scholar does research, the Shaikh, well let me clarify , the GOOD Shaikhs use research too, the bad Shaikh use their position as Shaikh as justification


Read the paper, it talks about Mut'aziliyeen who believe the Qur'an is created. In fact that's a fundamental belief for us.

It's merely a creation of God, like Nature is.

Like Nature ...

lol

What is Nature again? Everything ..right?


Everything is Allah Manifest.

[Alchemist]

Nature shows signs, it doesnt need to communicate verbally.

I don't need to

the boy in my avatar ....again told you before he's some inside joke amongst the Afghan Interweb community

By the way you keep accusing others of strawing; but the reason I mentioned the Earth being flat, was to show you a Scholars Tafsir can be wrong.

Scholar tafsir wasn't wrong...a tafsir is not even needed for that ayat .. the word dahaha is clear in itself ..so your example was a FAIL!
I just tried to give you a deeper understanding of it ..but you just kept burying your head in the sand ...

Yeah ..and now you can read the signs in NAture which are more clear to you than the Qur'an it self ... Very RICH!

What's next? You are going to read the future in coffee mug stains? Why not? It's also nature.

[ScimitarXEdge]

More information on Mu'tazilism.

An Introduction to 'Ilm al-Kalam

Theology:

(i) Al-tawhid al-sifati (i.e. unity of the Divine Attributes)

(ii) 'Adl (Divine Justice).

(iii) The Holy Qur'an (Kalam Allah) is created (kalam, or speech, is an attribute of Act, not of the Essence).

(iv) The Divine Acts are caused and controlled by purposes (i.e. every Divine Act is for the sake of some beneficial outcome).

(v) Forgiveness without repentance is not possible (the doctrine of retribution - wa'd wa wa'id).

(vi) Pre-eternity (qidam) is limited to God (in this belief, they are challenged only by the philosophers).

(vii) Delegation of a duty beyond the powers of the mukallaf (al-taklif bima la yutaq) is impossible.

(viii) The acts of the creatures are not created by God for five reasons;[9] the exercise of Divine Will does not apply to the acts of men.

(ix) The world is created, and is not pre-eternal (only the philosophers are against this view).

(x) God cannot be seen with the eyes, either in this world or in the Hereafter.