Poorest countries are the most religious

[کیش]

WTF? Preach your atheism, darwinistic crap in Swat, and other places in KP, and well see who looks like their far from their "watan"

[ScimitarXEdge]

I already told you, go to akhora khattak madrassa, parts of it are even air conditioned. Me and toramana will place a wager on whether it will be 'mule' or a 'bitch' outcome. Rest assured one of the two it will be. With that habash connection I would place my 1 dollar on the mule, dont know about T, he may go against me and see something in a 'B' potential.

Peera, your identity short commings( a unique second generation ex pat phenomenon), and disillusionment with your place of existence is about as remote from the travials of the average joe in watan, as you are. Your influence about as much as that of a stray cat in watan.

I know what you told me but anyone with any common sense can read through that and discern this is an avoidance tactic on your part and merely just some juvenille attempt at reassuring yourself of the merit of your thinking without dealing with logical and rational challenges to it. As if juvenile ridicule compensates for cowardice.


I think you are either in denial or thinking by switching things around that you exonerate yourself; The identity short comings that you see are merely a projection of yourself. I dont have this problem of identity short comings; I am happy being a Pashtun and a Muslim, I dont need to abandon my religion or heritage to appease some farangayan when they sneer and poke fun because I haven't compromised myself to their dysfunctional cheap bar harlot way of life; which you may very well have. I don't feel this desire to emulate them or look at their asinine artificial and totally wasteful nonsense as pragmatic, nor do I feel this subservient house slave urge to "bring this back to Watan", out of feelings of inadequacy. I am the embodiment of a confident self assured man, the things you are not, and quite possibly will never be.

You speak about my travails; but I know if you were ever to expose what you really are in the Watan; you'd be begging for asylum with your nearest Farangay consulate. At least a stray cat and walk about freely and honorably, you crawl around there like a chinjay.

[ScimitarXEdge]

WTF? Preach your atheism, darwinistic crap in Swat, and other places in KP, and well see who looks like their far from their "watan"

Although I would feel bad; but the fact is and Baygham knows this, that if he were to openly proclaim his ideas and tell people they need to be "pragmatic" and surrender their lives to America because America is a big Gorilla, and abandon Islam

I can guarantee we'll have to search of all Swabi to collect his remains. lol

[کیش]

Although I would feel bad; but the fact is and Baygham knows this, that if he were to openly proclaim his ideas and tell people they need to be "pragmatic" and surrender their lives to America because America is a big Gorilla, and abandon Islam

I can guarantee we'll have to search of all Swabi to collect his remains. lol

I triple doggy dare them, to try that over their. These the same people who wear shalwar kameez, and spot a beard IF they ever return to said places.

[ScimitarXEdge]

oh yeah I know even by Baygham's own admission, examine his little exchanges with "Faye" the Westerner Lady, look at how he badmouths HIS OWN KIND on account that they have some shred of dignity and self respect for their own people and wouldn't tolerate some strange man playing hide the Kabab with his sister, without a Nilkkah; but with us he acts like there's this 10 Milion Strong army of Apostates living in Pakhtunkhwah waiting to strike and proclaim their turadah to the world. This guy is the epitome of pathetically trying to save face. He knows that a person like him would be used as a kinrab if he ever went around telling Pakhtuns they should be cool with their daughters having sex with men outside of marriage.

hahhaa I want to see what happens; just for humor, but I don't want Baygham to die, get institutionalized and be fed psychotropic medicine, yes, killed no.

[faye]

god, i really feel sorry for all those poor victimised islamic tyrants/rulers/dictators and kings, who had it 'imposed' upon them, the wealth and the power to oppress, murder and steal, from their own muslim brothers and sisters. poor buggers...
and all their poor victim armies which protected them, never a one, giving the *******s a bullet in the head.
it is a shame that all these poor victims were never capable of making any free choices.

[ScimitarXEdge]

god, i really feel sorry for all those poor victimised islamic tyrants/rulers/dictators and kings, who had it 'imposed' upon them, the wealth and the power to oppress, murder and steal, from their own muslim brothers and sisters. poor buggers...
and all their poor victim armies which protected them, never a one, giving the *******s a bullet in the head.
it is a shame that all these poor victims were never capable of making any free choices.

why feel bad for them? They were put into their positions by your people.

[faye]

yes, i told my dad, not to do that but he wouldn't take any notice of me.

[ScimitarXEdge]

tell your leaders who you put into power.

[faye]

like puppets on strings.

[roadrunner]

i generally agree with this.

However where does America fit in? It's one of the richer countries and also one of the most hardcore fundamentalist. It's full of evangelical christians and other nutcases.

I did, at one point, and on another forum, argue that there might be a connection between low IQ and religious fundamentalism. This could explain America's odd positioning.

[Wrayun]

oh yeah I know even by Baygham's own admission, examine his little exchanges with "Faye" the Westerner Lady, look at how he badmouths HIS OWN KIND on account that they have some shred of dignity and self respect for their own people and wouldn't tolerate some strange man playing hide the Kabab with his sister, without a Nilkkah; but with us he acts like there's this 10 Milion Strong army of Apostates living in Pakhtunkhwah waiting to strike and proclaim their turadah to the world. This guy is the epitome of pathetically trying to save face. He knows that a person like him would be used as a kinrab if he ever went around telling Pakhtuns they should be cool with their daughters having sex with men outside of marriage.

hahhaa I want to see what happens; just for humor, but I don't want Baygham to die, get institutionalized and be fed psychotropic medicine, yes, killed no.

Brother, you don't know some of these secular atheists Pukhtoons. In reality they are no different than their religious counter parts. They also lock their women and their daughters. I know a few who won't let their daughters date, or have friendship with boys. Dare their daughters even mention they want to marry a Punjaabi, Black or non-Pukhtoon individual. Once there was a fight between a father and son, the father being a secular liberal atheist, wouldn't let his children enjoy the infidel lifestyle. He kept imposing Pukhtoonwale on his children, which his children found stupid and retarded, in a modern, secular world. Eventual the family had a falling, and the children have left the poor man and his wife. His wife blames him for the way he raised his children, as she is a religious lady. Basically, his secular atheist children handed him his secular liberal atheist ass on a platter.

You'll see how secular Toramana is when his daughter comes to him with marriage proposal from a Negro or a Punjaabi, and how secular Baygham is when his son comes out of the fruit closet.

These things just sound good on the web, in reality it's much harder.

[Alchemist]

No one said ....the distribution of wealth/power in the world is based on justice...but saying that all that the developed countries have is based on brutal exploitation is not true...(What about China, India, many countries in the far east and Europe),....and is only indicative of jealousy-sticken, reactionary, victim-hood-driven mindsets...

To be respected and reckoned for, you've to strive hard...International competition is tough and only stronger survive....World would go ahead entering into post post-modern age colonising the space but if you want to return to the prestine age of medievalism, that is your choice....

You people are exploiting the raw religious emotions of youth here...that is not good....

rather you are exploiting religious emotions by asking pashtuns to "let loose their women to do whatever they want". As if how pashtun treat women is because of Islam and how they have zero industry (except for the gun shops) because of Islam. The average pashtun could hardly be expected to know arabic and understand Quran, which is the basis of Islam. It doesn't matter how iran is doing, or egypt or saudi arabia because the basis of those societies is not Islam because according to Islam you do not take "cuffar" as "awliyaa" (allies). And because there is no khilafa, there is no "islamic" country. Althought some pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan would differ with that, and say that the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan is headed by Amir ul Mumineen, a title reserved usually for the khalifa.


So like everyone else is trying to tell you...come down from the super galactic space colony and come back to planet earth...back to reality.

The subject here is no more China or India or Russia...china exploits it's own people! same goes goes india, and india could hardly be called a "Secular" state! Who cares? even if you are living in the west, it doesn't mean you are balling homie. I doubt on your apprenticeship salary you could be living it up any better than your cousins in pakistan. So what's your definition of poor and rich?

Then again, when it comes to the question of competition, are you talking about competition between governments or individuals or corporations? I presume governments, because you keep referring to countries and quoting GDP figures. Even if the GDP of the UK and America is high, both governments are knee deep in debt. Since india and china have their people work under the same conditions that the british used to work a hundred years ago...I am talking about 16 hour shifts with no holidays...real nasty factory work in which children as young as 8 would work. So you think about that for a second.

More importantly, what others haven't told you either is this...that most of the wealth that flows to the west from africa and asia is due to "intellectual rights". The west has very little to do with production, and own very little of the means of production, i.e, capital.

The reason why corruption is endemic all over the globe is because people don't believe in the after life. They don't think that they have to answer to anyone for any of their stupid decisions...like technocrats for example...they always rationalize it. Don't talk to me about morals if you can't understand the concept of justice. Islam teaches fairness. Why is the world economy chocking? Why should there ever be a recession? We don't need to go to the moon....there is enough habitable space on this planet! For every 60 Km^2 one individual. Enough resources and the means to safely extract and recycle them. So why all the waste? Why all the insurance companies? Religion doesn't tell you to go to war, now does it? Why is the world at war? There is war in Africa, in Asia, in Europe, Latin America...as we speak. Do you blame religion in each case? In places like burma ....bhuddism is not even a religion?!

Anyway...I was thinking of you earlier on my way home. I feel not much else but pity for you. And I pray to Allah that I die before I even come an inch close to becoming a mushrik. Kafir, the literal meaning of the word is "to cover", so it doesn't translate to "disbeliever" though it usually is given such meaning. I don't think anyone could possibly disbelieve their own eyes and hearing but they could certainly deny and ignore it. I see how much you enjoy repeating by rot your own version of Islam as being suppressive, oppressive and "medieval"...yet oddly enough you want Afghans to be oppressed and suppressed by the western system. It certainly wouldn't feel as such when you have your senses being stimulated constantly...and fb. But often I wonder if you or I were taken up as suspects by the CENTCOM division monitering these sites ...and they blast Metallica at us as torture...would it work? And then I think of ghandi...how he marched towards beating sticks and kept depriving himself of food and water like an odd hermit And I think he wanted to be punished by his master so they would take pity on him in the form of compassion. I think it's the same for you...you live in the west yourself, so you obviously feel very glad and happy to be in a society where the girls will roam freely for you to feast on...and you wonder would it would be like if the same were true in pakistan. I don't think there is an english word for ghairat.

[Baygham]

WTF? Preach your atheism, darwinistic crap in Swat, and other places in KP, and well see who looks like their far from their "watan"

Dear confused second generation/muflis expat, I am sorry the lower ruggs of the ladder in the ghetto are a touch hard, but before you go on to marry a higher status hindustani (in need of a 'gar damath') to move up the social ladder a little faster, my advice will be to go for it but dont look at watan with grand ideas to return as a savior king with umma garbage in toe. That **** no longer flies back home in the open. In the places where it does fly, like the above mentioned seminary, your future will be restricted to a 'mule' or a 'bitch'. Even these two choices will be made for you, no dreams of hooking up with a hindustani here either.

Esapxai
It must be nice living in Pakhtunkhwa. Here in the west, it's way overrated. Trust me. Your practically a slave here, you work alot oAf hours, pay alot of bills, and have little time to do anything, because after bills, you won't have any money left.

I would marry a Hindistani, faster then the clock moves.

[graveyardofempires]

these "pukhtun" atheists are suffering,believing in their own lies.