By the way which interpretation of Islam is correct?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

It was for human aid purposes. I like helping poor people even though I am a kaffir and by many religious sects someone immoral. I wasn't there to convert people into Islam or Hinduism but my goal was to help the poor people in Haiti. I would love to visit Afghanistan and Pakistan but in those countries if you claim you are not part of their sect they will kill me.

If God exists, then your efforts would not go in vain. If He does not exist, then at least, I hope you felt satisfied for trying to help the poor people. I know you don't believe in God, but may Allah reward you for your kind heart.

[AgnosticPashtana]

Beloved friend,

in order solidify your stance that Arabs invented God, you would have to prove it from the Quran. You would have to show contradictory verses and verses which have no merit on our daily lives of today. Moreover, you would have to account for why we have a conscience. Also, you have to account for why do we deem the exercise of justice in our daily lives.

I don't want to pose to many question for now, but I think the above should suffice to get the ball rolling.

Why would I have to prove something from a book that I do not believe in? I honestly think religions in a way represent chauvinism. Jews think they are the chosen one, and Arabs counter responded with Islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I can invent a God right now.

My god is named "kharrrooo" (it was the name of a mean dog that I hated growing up). Kharrooo is a vicious God, he doesnot fool around. He will eat your **** off if you misbehave. Kharrooo lives all around us, he is the ether and the ether is him. The four dimensions of our universe are but just a few dimensions he exists him. Kharrooo cant be seen, smelled, but K (for short) can be feared and is addicted to being worshiped.
K has no brain and neighther does one require one to appreciate what K can do for us.
K is represented on Earth by Baygham.
K demands that you sent 10 dollars every month to the bank account on Baygham.com. If one fails to do so, K himself will come to (remember that biting off of ones ******). K is very humane he loves people even after he bites. K has built a multiplex in the 17th dimensions. You can book a full floor for 100 dollars at Baygham.com with a printed certificate (keep it to be buried or cremated with you as it will be required- K does not keep a database of who is issued what at the multiplex). There are numerous amenities at this resort some taken from the carribean resort Atlantis that an infidel corporation built and K did not like the competition so he had it air lifted to the 17th dimension. Only the most accomplished will be allowed to it so hurry and pay now.

And be kind to your neighbours (if they have the K logo on their door otherwise kill the infidels)

To copy an invention is not an invention. To clone a sheep is not creating a sheep. Therefore, you have not invented God. Don't do this, instead engage in a discussion.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Why would I have to prove something from a book that I do not believe in? I honestly think religions in a way represent chauvinism. Jews think they are the chosen one, and Arabs counter responded with Islam.

In order to prove a book wrong you would have to read it and prove it wrong for what it is. This by no way means that you believe in the book. In university, for example, if you have to write a paper say on Rousseau, you would have to read his works and write a paper on works with references. You can't write a paper on Rousseau by pulling material from thin air without having read his work.

Do you follow my train of thought?

[Baygham]

It was for human aid purposes. I like helping poor people even though I am a kaffir and by many religious sects someone immoral. I wasn't there to convert people into Islam or Hinduism but my goal was to help the poor people in Haiti. I would love to visit Afghanistan and Pakistan but in those countries if you claim you are not part of their sect they will kill me.

Bravo sister, and I understand the complexities of visiting watan. But send your good wishes there, keep us in thoughts, just your existence (unimaginable only a few years ago) is inspiration and a guiding light for many to follow. Stay engaged.

[Toramana]

MeemWowNoon, in the end I will say to pass a free life without fear of persecution for your beliefs, religion should be made to belong to pesonal domain and let the society be run by secular men...otherwise if these mad got hold of law, you can imagine what could do to weaker sects, minorities and groups...

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

MeemWowNoon, in the end I will say to pass a free life without fear of persecution for your beliefs, religion should be made to belong to pesonal domain and let the society be run by secular men...otherwise if these mad got hold of law, you can imagine what could do to weaker sects, minorities and groups...

Dear brother, this is the exact problem of your dilemma, which has led you to leave God and Islam: you don't know why.

I appreciate where you are coming from, but do understand that can't claim what you are claiming without giving tangible reasons.

[Baygham]

To copy an invention is not an invention. To clone a sheep is not creating a sheep. Therefore, you have not invented God. Don't do this, instead engage in a discussion.

R u saying that

Kharoo is acutally your God.

My Bad, will take Kharroo back. I did not check the proper folklore, My Bad, thousand apologies.
(by the way, by that principle you should take back that last prophet thing too , what do you say, lets both go back to neutral positions, I take kharoo back, you take Mirza back-LOL)

Forgot to mention that the Jewish invention was copied by the christen and then by muslims. LOL.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

R u saying that

Kharoo is acutally your God.

My Bad, will take Kharroo back. I did not check the proper folklore, My Bad, thousand apologies.
(by the way, by that principle you should take back that last prophet thing too , what do you say, lets both go back to neutral positions, I take kharoo back, you take Mirza back-LOL)

You see, if you were right, then you would have a platform to present about your beliefs. But you don't.

With respect to Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as), God can raise a prophet anytime He deems it necessary. It is not against the practice of God. However, God is One and is Unique. See the flaw in your logic?

[Baygham]

You see, if you were right, then you would have a platform to present about your beliefs. But you don't.

With respect to Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as), God can raise a prophet anytime He deems it necessary. It is not against the practice of God. However, God is One and is Unique. See the flaw in your logic?

So since this One God sent Mirza as a prophet and if I say that is Hogwash than I am a kafar, or not?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Baygham, you are not serious. You are just playing games. Good night.

[Wrayun]

Qadyaniyath, Wahabism, Barelvi, Shia, Deobandi, etc, Ismaili, Khoja Islam, etc....?

The Quran makes it clear that sects are not tolerated at all.

Anyone does anything contradictory to that is not from the Ummat of Mohammad, Quran makes that very clear. Though the sad reality is that both the Quran and the Hadiths are used to divide Islam.

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah; then He will inform them about what they used to do. 6:159

Sunni, Shia, Salafi, Wahabi, Ahmedi, Qurani etc. etc. etc. should heed this verse.

[Baygham]

The Quran makes it clear that sects are not tolerated at all.

Anyone does anything contradictory to that is not from the Ummat of Mohammad, Quran makes that very clear. Though the sad reality is that both the Quran and the Hadiths are used to divide Islam.

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah; then He will inform them about what they used to do. 6:159

Sunni, Shia, Salafi, Wahabi, Ahmedi, Qurani etc. etc. etc. should heed this verse.

so they are disobeying the Quran, which means they are kafir.

So Sunni, shia, salafi, wahabi, ahmedi, Qurani (which according to others will be your category as you relay on only on the Quran here) are all disobeying the Quran, just like kafirs.

[Wrayun]

so they are disobeying the Quran, which means they are kafir.

So Sunni, shia, salafi, wahabi, ahmedi, Qurani (which according to others will be your category as you relay on only on the Quran here) are all disobeying the Quran, just like kafirs.

The Quran didn't declare them kafirs, neither did I. It was expected according to the traditions of the Prophet that Islam will be divided. It is an inevitable phenomena, this is why the Quran stops short from declaring them "kafirs", but clearly states that they are not of the Prophet, and that their due is with the Lord directly. Meaning that it is between them and Allah swt.

And I'm not a Qurani, you give me that label. I don't reject hadiths, however I don't view hadiths in the same respect as others do. I realize the probability of it's nature, and I take liberty in implementing them. To me Sunnat is just Sunnat, not Fardh. The reason for that is that I don't wish to do with the Hadiths what the Christians and Jews did with the works of their scholars. Something again we are warned against in Quran, giving divinity to words of men. Religious sects who literally implementing "traditions", according to me, are making that mistake. But that is just my own personal belief.

[Baygham]

The Quran didn't declare them kafirs, neither did I. It was expected according to the traditions of the Prophet that Islam will be divided. It is an inevitable phenomena, this is why the Quran stops short from declaring them "kafirs", but clearly states that they are not of the Prophet, and that their due is with the Lord directly. Meaning that it is between them and Allah swt.

And I'm not a Qurani, you give me that label. I don't reject hadiths, however I don't view hadiths in the same respect as others do. I realize the probability of it's nature, and I take liberty in implementing them. To me Sunnat is just Sunnat, not Fardh. The reason for that is that I don't wish to do with the Hadiths what the Christians and Jews did with the works of their scholars. Something again we are warned against in Quran, giving divinity to words of men. Religious sects who literally implementing "traditions", according to me, are making that mistake. But that is just my own personal belief.

So if you are OK with those that dont care much about one verse, what about two verses or in my case like all them except the benign stuff like sky is blue and roses are red - the fluffy stuff, I am ok with all fluffy stuff I will even throw in an occasional cosmic ride on a winged horse - as a good natured child story; but that is it, no billion species on a single boat, that is much harder to erase once the child goes beyond 2nd grade.

Now that you have cleared the air, we are cool. I have nothing against you, I respect what ever you believe, I honestly do, what I dont respect is you bringing it to public space to make it mandatory on me.

No, wont do.
I am Ok if you believe all 100% of Quran or if you pick and choose your hadith or go 100%, dont care, just leave that stuff at home when you come to my home and I will leave my garbage at my home when I come to yours. And in the common hujra we will stay neutral - deal. (btw isn't that secularism)