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Qadyaniyath, Wahabism, Barelvi, Shia, Deobandi, etc, Ismaili, Khoja Islam, etc....?
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Toramana Jaana,
you left Islam for what reason?Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:
[61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.
[61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.
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Whoever follows the Quran, Sunnah, and pleases Allah the most.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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First Ask Mirza Qadian allay salam that question./Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View PostComment
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would you follow quran and sunnah literally brother admin.Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
And since you or anyone else cannot measure whether Allah is pleased or angry, so should you not put that condition out there. (its like saying I will give Admin khan 1 billion dollars if he can confirm that there is pure Gold 6 miles under the surface of Mars- BTW you have a better chance of checking the latter)Comment
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You see Baygham, the only person who loves your style and approach is Roshina. Don't put on a show for her and her friends. Don't. It is not worth it.
I would love to discuss with you, but you don't know how to discuss. You assume too much and your arguments are filled with fallacies. If, however, you wish to discuss and try to resolve our differences, I would be more than glad to have a civilized discussion with you. What do you say? Are you up for the challenge? If so, I only ask one thing of you, don't mock and stay within the boundaries of decency.Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:
[61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.
[61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.
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No no, leave Baygham and Roshina alone...just convince me your version of Islam is correct and Wahabis are incorrect ... I mean you should not digress from the topic...Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View PostComment
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Toramana, you should first tell us why you left Islam. Don't turn this thread into an Islam bashing thread.
Tell us why you left Islam and let us first deal with that. It is futile to discuss with you which sect is correct when you have doubts about Islam itself.
Be straight forward and don't guise this thread in sheep's clothing, when you know the wolf in it wants to devour Islam.
So, why did you leave Islam?Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:
[61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.
[61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.
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Hi Dr. Baygham sahab,Originally posted by Baygham View Post
I hope you are in great health. You obviously can't follow everything literally, however, the effort is what matters. You don't know everything about medical, or do you? We should first streamline the basics of all sects, It's not like Ahmadis believe in 11 Gods, and Sunnis believe in 3 Gods they all have similarities. I personally think Islam preaches peace. However, I won't enforce my beliefs on you at all. I wouldn't mind a discussion though, I in fact encourage interfaith dialogues.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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MeemWowNoon, assume I am re-entering Islam but am sort of confused which interpretation is correct...I want to know about Mirza Qadian and his true place in Islam from you and then from others...
Right now I have many options on the plate including different Islamic sects as well as non-Islamic religions and I have to select one depending on the information you give to me...Comment
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Ok I will answer that,Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
I left because the Qadianis convinced me that wahabis are kafar
/so I put in my head.
Wahabi= kafar (1 vote)
Than I checked with the wahabis and they told me no, no
Shia kafar,
ahli sunnat sunni kafar
and qadiani super kafar.
Then I asked grave worshipper Dad of mine (ahli sunnat brelvi type )
He said wahabi super kafar
Qadiani super super kafar.
Shia uuuuh just kafar.
Since i am proficient in primary school level mathematics.
I added all the kafar's.
from morocco to indonesia I got nothing but kafars(by their own account). So I became one too.Comment
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You see, Toranama, you re-entering Islam is fine, however, the question that remains is that why did you leave in the first place.
I know every single one of the 73 sects and their philosophies, and sincerely, I am telling you that you should tell us why you left Islam. Every cough is not the same, one has to investigate the cough in order to see what is the root cause of the cough, it is due to a cold, due to smoking, due to water going down the wrong tube, so on and so forth.
Let us not play this game of "lets assume." Be honest to yourself and speak honestly.Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:
[61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.
[61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.
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there are thousands of faiths and every one consider their faith is the most correct and true.Originally posted by Toramana View Post
the same issue is with the branches of islam, the followers of each branch consider their belief to be the true one.Comment
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If this is your reason for leaving Islam then I am sorry. You should have tried to understand the religion for yourself before entertaining the thought of even leaving it.Originally posted by Baygham View Post
In a test you would not count on your best friend to cheat, would you? Even if you did, and let us say you failed, would you cut the ties with you friend because he caused you to fail? Of course you would not. Therefore, the onus is on you to study for the test and do your best.
I am saddened to see you leave Islam because of people. But if you wish I can shed light on your questions, if you have any.Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:
[61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.
[61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.
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I left Islam because a Shia thinks a sunni is kuffar. A Wahabi thinks a Ahmadi is kuffar. Quranists think shia and sunni are both kuffar. What it turns out is that they are all kuffar when viewed by a separate sect. They all claim that they will go to heaven. When I meet a Jew, I hear him telling Muslims won't go to heaven. When you meet the 1billion Hindus they have similar claims. When you meet Christians they will argue in a similar way. Who is Kuffar? Who is not kuffar? I am sure there are sects in Islam that will consider each and every one of you as kuffar. There would even be a sect that would call this site kuffar for allowing me to type this.
As a scientist, It just doesn't make sense to me. All Religion has done is breed hate.Comment
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