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  • #16
    Guys, it only weighs us down and this unecessary attachment with past, in the case of Durrand line is only the obsession of Pathans who slap it all on this or that king. They love to apply this in every case and has been tried. The matter of the fact is that the king who signed the treaty no matter what the reason has the title of traitor assigend to him. However, however, there is a reason why he was left with such a hard choice, and that is that there were Pathans even then who served anrizz and were more loyal to angrez than the king. There is only so much those kings could do, they could wage Jihad when the Sikhs attacked Peshwar and they could declare Ghaza in all the Anglo Afghan wars with all the means they had, yet to no avail east of the Durrand line. Angriz had the flosssssss just as the Panjabis do today!!! Lets burry it here.

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    • #17
      Comarada,
      I think its safe to say that Amir Abdur Rehman was compelled to sign the treaty under duress and force. After all, Britain was a powerful nation back in those days. Just because Amir Abdur Rehman signed the treaty does not mean we Pashtuns of Afghanistan wanted that to happen. Not a day passes without us regretting what had happened. We will continue striving for our Pashtun unity. We are the same people. Let there be no difference between a Pashtun of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
        Comarada,
        I think its safe to say that Amir Abdur Rehman was compelled to sign the treaty under duress and force. After all, Britain was a powerful nation back in those days. Just because Amir Abdur Rehman signed the treaty does not mean we Pashtuns of Afghanistan wanted that to happen. Not a day passes without us regretting what had happened. We will continue striving for our Pashtun unity. We are the same people. Let there be no difference between a Pashtun of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
        I respect your choice... but you should spend your energy on Afghanistan unity... now if you want to unite with Pashtons of NWFP and Uzbak wants unity with those of Uzbakistan, Hazara with Iran and Tajik with Tajikistan...there will be no afghanistan left. Think about it.

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        • #19
          Parsiwan, you are on my warning list. I rather not loose my cool with you or I will show you what tyou b*** b**** goon are all about. I cannot recall any sophesticated Tajik, even from yesterday, all I can think of is Fahim , Abdullah x 2, and the dancing boys of the north. Pashtun will beat you in any field any day, zoya. There is nothing sophesticated about you, I beg you not to jump on Sa'aadi's shoulder or some next poet from the 13th or 16th century, you people love that since you have nothing to show for. I dare you not to take a Western oreintalist view why we Pashtuns are fighting foreigners and your boy-player warlords.
          Last edited by BLS_1919v2.0; 09-30-2010, 10:00 PM. Reason: unneccessary and personal

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
            Comarada,
            I think its safe to say that Amir Abdur Rehman was compelled to sign the treaty under duress and force. After all, Britain was a powerful nation back in those days. Just because Amir Abdur Rehman signed the treaty does not mean we Pashtuns of Afghanistan wanted that to happen. Not a day passes without us regretting what had happened. We will continue striving for our Pashtun unity. We are the same people. Let there be no difference between a Pashtun of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
            Depends how you look at it bro, that said, I entirely agree with you, I think this the best way of summing it.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by parsiwaan View Post
              I respect your choice... but you should spend your energy on Afghanistan unity... now if you want to unite with Pashtons of NWFP and Uzbak wants unity with those of Uzbakistan, Hazara with Iran and Tajik with Tajikistan...there will be no afghanistan left. Think about it.
              Parsiwana,

              I beg you!!!

              Try all your lucks!!! Give it another try, the best you could. Stop punching the air, kid. Tell your daddy to make your mind up for then come and log on to PF and shoot out the warning from where ever you may. We love you.
              Last edited by ComradePashtun; 09-30-2010, 09:11 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by parsiwaan View Post
                I respect your choice... but you should spend your energy on Afghanistan unity... now if you want to unite with Pashtons of NWFP and Uzbak wants unity with those of Uzbakistan, Hazara with Iran and Tajik with Tajikistan...there will be no afghanistan left. Think about it.
                Dear Brother, no one can separate us from our beloved brothers of Pashtunkhwa. You can't separate a child from his mom. I have unconditional love for my brothers of Pashtunkhwa and that is because I envision them as my people. I don't share a common language, culture or history with those other ethnic groups of those nations. I don't have much in common with Uzbekistan or Tajikistan. Does that mean I don't respect them? of course not. I respect all Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hindko speakers, Kohistanis, Kalash and all other ethnic groups. But what does that have to do with me being more close to my people? Can I go up to an Uzbeki and speak to him about Pashtunwali or Pashto? no I cant. The core purpose of this post is that those Pashtuns of Pakistan were once part of our united nation. we separated due to unforunate circumstances but that does not mean we have to live our lives as divided people. Do you have any clue how serious of an issue there is? There are families that have been divided, tribes that have been divided. There are people of the same household possesing different nationalities. With all due respect, I cant change my feelings about my people. I wish to see Afghanistan prosper, but my scope ranges far beyond Afghanistan. I hope you understand. But just to make things easier for you, let's make this a multiple choice thing.

                1)Was Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Iran once part of Afghanistan?

                Yes or No?

                2)Was NWFP once part of Afghanistan?

                Yes or No?

                If our brothers of Pashtunkhwa refuse to join us, that's fine, I cant force them can I? I can't put a gun to everyone's head and say join us or die but you must acknowledge that they share a common language, culture and history with us. The national language of Afghanistan[Pashto] is spoken by them as a mother tongue, I think that alone sums up my stance on this particular issue. I have absolutely nothing against Parsiwaans, In fact, I respect all ethnic groups and languages, but as a Pashtun, I have love for my people residing in Pashtunkhwa and for my language.


                Note:
                ˙ɯәhʇ hʇiʍ әƃɐnƃuɐl puɐ ʎɹoʇsih'әɹnʇlnɔ ɹɐliɯis ɐ әɹɐhs suɐhƃɟɐ әʍ ˙sәʎ si 2 uoiʇsәnb ɹoɟ ɹәʍsuɐ әhʇ ˙ou si 1 uoiʇsәnb ɹoɟ ɹәʍsuɐ әhʇ
                Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                • #23
                  Admina,

                  I share your sentiments and your devotion, I respect that from any Pashtun. I have to be honest, realist, this I will leave to the Pashtuns to the east of Durrand. It is logical. It is not up to us and we don't deserve to be talking about. Afghansitan is priority, for any dream to come true which deserves all our commitments.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                    Admina,

                    I share your sentiments and your devotion, I respect that from any Pashtun. I have to be honest, realist, this I will leave to the Pashtuns to the east of Durrand. It is logical. Afghansitan is priority, for any dream to come true which deserves all our commitments.
                    I am not quite sure if I agree or disagree. However, I think we should show our brothers that we indeed care for them and accept them. In fact, we shouldn't have to accept them, they were already accepted as Afghans hundreds of years ago. I feel awkward discussing this. A Pashtun of Pakistan and a Pashtun of Afghanistan weights equally in my eyes. Nevertheless, giving them a cold-shoulder on such a sensitive issue might not be a favorable choice for our unity. I think we should not force them to join, we should leave that up to them since its ultimately their fate but we should at least tell them that we miss them and that we will always have them in our hearts as our people[ethnic group] and that we are open for uniting at all costs. If they are happy with Pakistan, we wish them nothing but the best, we also have their back if necessary. Let's not let the cruel Pashtuns that we have had on both sides of the Durrand affect our unity as 1 nation.

                    What I mean is that if they collectively say, "Hi Pashtuns of Afghanistan, we want nothing to do with you people". We shall not force them, forcing them to join us is futile! We respect them and we embrace them as our people.
                    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                    • #25
                      Sensetive, for who??? Bro leave it. Do you think they were born yesterday? Sorry every word such as, cold-shoulder, favorable choice etc. are boggling me.lol We Afghans are incredible and quite raw. lol

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                        Sensetive, for who??? Bro leave it. Do you think they were born yesterday? Sorry every word such as, cold-shoulder, favorable choice etc. are boggling me.lol We Afghans are incredible and quite raw. lol
                        Comrade Jaana, there are still people who wish to see us united once again that reside in Pakistan. I won't post my political view on this but from a more personal POV, despite the status of our nationalities, I will always weight the Pashtuns of Pakistan equally to Pashtuns of Afghanistan. However, don't get it twisted wrora, I am not naive. I can tell who is using us and who isn't. If push comes to shove, we can in a united manner develop our own nation. As of now, I am sure they won't want to join a nation that nearly has the worst human development index in the world. We are 2nd to last on that list. As per the other ethnic groups of Afghanistan, they also have an agenda. They have an agenda that consists of them not wanting to see us united. Imagine 50million Pashto speakers in 1 country. That will automatically bring Dari to a declining phase in Afghanistan. Its all politics wrora, It will also make Pashtuns an absolute majority in Afghanistan. As of now, according to WAK Foundation[which I have posted on PF] we are nearly 60 percent of the population of Afghanistan. With the Afghans of Pakistan joining us, picture(fantasize?) the statistics.
                        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                        • #27
                          Not all cost bro!!! There are those who have paid with everything, sorry, nothing else to pay.

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                          • #28
                            I respect your views. Good luck, I wish you no disappointment.

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                            • #29
                              Comrade Jaana, my dear brother.

                              Take a look at my post here and tell me which part of it do you think is not in compliance with your political or personal views. I want to hear you out on this particular matter.

                              My post is here,
                              Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                              Comrade Jaana, there are still people who wish to see us united once again that reside in Pakistan. I won't post my political view on this but from a more personal POV, despite the status of our nationalities, I will always weight the Pashtuns of Pakistan equally to Pashtuns of Afghanistan. However, don't get it twisted wrora, I am not naive. I can tell who is using us and who isn't. If push comes to shove, we can in a united manner develop our own nation. As of now, I am sure they won't want to join a nation that nearly has the worst human development index in the world. We are 2nd to last on that list. As per the other ethnic groups of Afghanistan, they also have an agenda. They have an agenda that consists of them not wanting to see us united. Imagine 50million Pashto speakers in 1 country. That will automatically bring Dari to a declining phase in Afghanistan. Its all politics wrora, It will also make Pashtuns an absolute majority in Afghanistan. As of now, according to WAK Foundation[which I have posted on PF] we are nearly 60 percent of the population of Afghanistan. With the Afghans of Pakistan joining us, picture(fantasize?) the statistics.
                              Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                              A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                              For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                              The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                              -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                              • #30
                                Respected brother,

                                My political view: IT IS NOT MY DAMN BUSINESS AND NOR IN MY INTEREST TO BE ADVOCATING UNIFICTION THIS OR THAT! This is a failed policy, what is hard to understand? Failed, failed failed. This led Afghanistan to rubbles. Suppose I am from Peshawar, why should I join you? I haven't joined you in the past 100 years, there was no popular demand and don't expect it any time soon, when I do I will let know myself. Untill then keep all your attention to yourself. The love story aside. And?

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