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  • #31
    Originally posted by UnknownUser View Post
    they were giving each other flowers every morning. lol
    False dichotomy

    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
    don’t try to be smart.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by UnknownUser View Post
      Sounds a lot cucky (favorite word of Iblis_Ifreetzai), specially considering the situation.
      Big difference between marriage and maurading hordes raping women, then being cool about it
      Last edited by Iblis_Efreetzai; 05-28-2018, 05:56 PM.

      Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


      Originally posted by ذو الفقار
      don’t try to be smart.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
        Big difference between marriage and maurading hordes raping women, then being cool about it
        Lol. Do u have any proof Mongols/Turks raped anyone?

        Turkics are not rape product people. Unlikely for even Hazaras.

        Eitherway as an Indian, the Turkics dynastiets were great for India. Nothing cucky about that. Indians benifeted from Turkics empires.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by UnknownUser View Post
          Lol. Do u have any proof Mongols/Turks raped anyone?

          Turkics are not rape product people. Unlikely for even Hazaras.

          Eitherway as an Indian, the Turkics dynastiets were great for India. Nothing cucky about that. Indians benifeted from Turkics empires.
          Turkic and Mongol are not synonyms.

          Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


          Originally posted by ذو الفقار
          don’t try to be smart.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Kakar-Wardak View Post
            Afghanistan has to unite around Sunni Islam that is the only cure for ethnocentrism, that is the main unifying factor for 90% of Afghans.
            Afghan still have their Afghanistan to unite around even when almost all players western and neighbors are trying really hard to use ethnic card to keep afghans divided. What Afghans need is a strong state, but that is not possible until we have the artificial country created by British bend on destroying us. Until Pakistan burn into ground there can never be peace in Afghanistan or region...this is the exact reason why out going British Raj created Pakistan.
            ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
            نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

            چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
            نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

            سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
            بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

            چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
            يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

            سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
            په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

            ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
            اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
              How do you know what''s in his heart?
              Because he contradicts himself and he doesn't correct himself.
              So there is no reason for anyone to believe him.
              Once he is atheist and than Muslim

              Once he brags about Afghanyat than he is against Afghanistan.

              Once he talks about Islamic Ummah unity than promotes disunity among Afghan Muslims.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                I never said it's common, people were brainwashed by the Durranis for centuries but if we look at history he had questionable character
                Sorry dude cant take such conspiracy theories series.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Akbar View Post
                  Because he contradicts himself and he doesn't correct himself.
                  So there is no reason for anyone to believe him.
                  Once he is atheist and than Muslim

                  Once he brags about Afghanyat than he is against Afghanistan.

                  Once he talks about Islamic Ummah unity than promotes disunity among Afghan Muslims.

                  Only Allah knows what's in people's hearts when it comes to their iman. Unless he says something like "I'm not a believer" ., then we don't have a right to say he's faking being a Muslim. Everything you're mentioning has little to do with whether he's a Muslim or not.

                  Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                  Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                  don’t try to be smart.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Akbar View Post
                    Sorry dude cant take such conspiracy theories series.
                    Where's the conspiracy? Brainwashing happens by the power structure perpetuating a narrative ...Historically Pashtuns are tribal , so why would they glorify kings? Let's use our brain on this one.
                    Last edited by Iblis_Efreetzai; 05-28-2018, 09:04 PM.

                    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                    don’t try to be smart.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                      Only Allah knows what's in people's hearts when it comes to their iman. Unless he says something like "I'm not a believer" ., then we don't have a right to say he's faking being a Muslim. Everything you're mentioning has little to do with whether he's a Muslim or not.
                      Funny you would say this
                      Do you remember how you went in on shamlawar?

                      This firdousi is faking it for the sake of gaining legitimacy.
                      Otherwise he would have quit being an ethnofascist ,a liar,and a walking talking contradiction.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Akbar View Post
                        Funny you would say this
                        Do you remember how you went in on shamlawar?

                        This firdousi is faking it for the sake of gaining legitimacy.
                        Otherwise he would have quit being an ethnofascist ,a liar,and a walking talking contradiction.
                        You're not Allah ....stop.

                        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                        don’t try to be smart.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                          Where's the conspiracy? Brainwashing happens by the power structure perpetuating a narrative ...Historically Pashtuns are tribal , so why would they glorify kings? Let's use our brain on this one.
                          I said conspiracy theory not conspiracy.
                          Your understanding of Pashtuns is very shallow.
                          There always been kings and emperors and they were supported by the people. Mirwais Neeka was representative of the nation even before him overthrowing the Georgian gorging khan. After over throwing he even got more support from the people. No manipulation needed ,people support their own. Ahmad Shah Abdali was a chosen king, he was chosen by the people. Pukhtunwali is not some wild practice. It is a very democratic system where people have a say even when it comes to the king. Maybe you have it mistaken for Indian feudal system.


                          In modern day politics we can say that the campaigners do manipulate people.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                            You're not Allah ....stop.
                            C'mon you are getting ridiculous.
                            His behaviour proves he is faking it.

                            What about shamlawar?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Akbar View Post
                              I said conspiracy theory not conspiracy.
                              Your understanding of Pashtuns is very shallow.
                              There always been kings and emperors and they were supported by the people. Mirwais Neeka was representative of the nation even before him overthrowing the Georgian gorging khan. After over throwing he even got more support from the people. No manipulation needed ,people support their own. Ahmad Shah Abdali was a chosen king, he was chosen by the people. Pukhtunwali is not some wild practice. It is a very democratic system where people have a say even when it comes to the king. Maybe you have it mistaken for Indian feudal system.


                              In modern day politics we can say that the campaigners do manipulate people.
                              Even then no conspiracy involved so there is no conspiracy theory...that's just,what people in power do to cultivate society in their inerests

                              Mir Wais was never a king. His son Mahmood conquered Iran then he was murdered by Ashraf who made himself Shah. This doesn't mean tribal Pashtuns had kings

                              Plus the Hotak and most Ghilzai clans of Kandahar, except One or two mashar of the Tokhi and Suleman Khel fought Ahmad Sadozai. This idea of Ahmad Sadozai as baba was just perpetuated by Durrani establishment. You should read up about all the Ghilzai revolts. My ancestors are originally Kandahari but we were pushed into Ghazni by Timur, Ahmad's son after the 3rd revolt . Point being is that this "baba" stuff was cooked up by the Durrani rulers and perpetuated by Their Barekzai cousins, the Mohmadzai. If there was this universal embrace of the Durrani monarchy, these revolts would never have happened.

                              By the way, I'm Hotak myself ...Sahak/Sakzai.

                              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                              don’t try to be smart.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Akbar View Post
                                C'mon you are getting ridiculous.
                                His behaviour proves he is faking it.

                                What about shamlawar?
                                That's not how it works, I'd think that someone who has such an adament stance on Islam would be wary of making pronouncements like this. Getting triggered over something he said doesn't mean he's "faking it".

                                What about Shamlwar? here you go Whataboutism - Wikipedia
                                Last edited by Iblis_Efreetzai; 05-28-2018, 09:56 PM.

                                Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                                Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                                don’t try to be smart.

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