Identity Politics in Afghanistan: Nation-State or State-Nation?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

they were giving each other flowers every morning. lol

False dichotomy

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Sounds a lot cucky (favorite word of Iblis_Ifreetzai), specially considering the situation.

Big difference between marriage and maurading hordes raping women, then being cool about it

[UnknownUser]

Big difference between marriage and maurading hordes raping women, then being cool about it

Lol. Do u have any proof Mongols/Turks raped anyone?

Turkics are not rape product people. Unlikely for even Hazaras.

Eitherway as an Indian, the Turkics dynastiets were great for India. Nothing cucky about that. Indians benifeted from Turkics empires.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Lol. Do u have any proof Mongols/Turks raped anyone?

Turkics are not rape product people. Unlikely for even Hazaras.

Eitherway as an Indian, the Turkics dynastiets were great for India. Nothing cucky about that. Indians benifeted from Turkics empires.

Turkic and Mongol are not synonyms.

[Azmal]

Afghanistan has to unite around Sunni Islam that is the only cure for ethnocentrism, that is the main unifying factor for 90% of Afghans.

Afghan still have their Afghanistan to unite around even when almost all players western and neighbors are trying really hard to use ethnic card to keep afghans divided. What Afghans need is a strong state, but that is not possible until we have the artificial country created by British bend on destroying us. Until Pakistan burn into ground there can never be peace in Afghanistan or region...this is the exact reason why out going British Raj created Pakistan.

[Akbar]

How do you know what''s in his heart?

Because he contradicts himself and he doesn't correct himself.
So there is no reason for anyone to believe him.
Once he is atheist and than Muslim

Once he brags about Afghanyat than he is against Afghanistan.

Once he talks about Islamic Ummah unity than promotes disunity among Afghan Muslims.

[Akbar]

I never said it's common, people were brainwashed by the Durranis for centuries but if we look at history he had questionable character

Sorry dude cant take such conspiracy theories series.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Because he contradicts himself and he doesn't correct himself.
So there is no reason for anyone to believe him.
Once he is atheist and than Muslim

Once he brags about Afghanyat than he is against Afghanistan.

Once he talks about Islamic Ummah unity than promotes disunity among Afghan Muslims.

Only Allah knows what's in people's hearts when it comes to their iman. Unless he says something like "I'm not a believer" ., then we don't have a right to say he's faking being a Muslim. Everything you're mentioning has little to do with whether he's a Muslim or not.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Sorry dude cant take such conspiracy theories series.

Where's the conspiracy? Brainwashing happens by the power structure perpetuating a narrative ...Historically Pashtuns are tribal , so why would they glorify kings? Let's use our brain on this one.

[Akbar]

Only Allah knows what's in people's hearts when it comes to their iman. Unless he says something like "I'm not a believer" ., then we don't have a right to say he's faking being a Muslim. Everything you're mentioning has little to do with whether he's a Muslim or not.

Funny you would say this
Do you remember how you went in on shamlawar?

This firdousi is faking it for the sake of gaining legitimacy.
Otherwise he would have quit being an ethnofascist ,a liar,and a walking talking contradiction.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Funny you would say this
Do you remember how you went in on shamlawar?

This firdousi is faking it for the sake of gaining legitimacy.
Otherwise he would have quit being an ethnofascist ,a liar,and a walking talking contradiction.

You're not Allah ....stop.

[Akbar]

Where's the conspiracy? Brainwashing happens by the power structure perpetuating a narrative ...Historically Pashtuns are tribal , so why would they glorify kings? Let's use our brain on this one.

I said conspiracy theory not conspiracy.
Your understanding of Pashtuns is very shallow.
There always been kings and emperors and they were supported by the people. Mirwais Neeka was representative of the nation even before him overthrowing the Georgian gorging khan. After over throwing he even got more support from the people. No manipulation needed ,people support their own. Ahmad Shah Abdali was a chosen king, he was chosen by the people. Pukhtunwali is not some wild practice. It is a very democratic system where people have a say even when it comes to the king. Maybe you have it mistaken for Indian feudal system.


In modern day politics we can say that the campaigners do manipulate people.

[Akbar]

You're not Allah ....stop.

C'mon you are getting ridiculous.
His behaviour proves he is faking it.

What about shamlawar?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I said conspiracy theory not conspiracy.
Your understanding of Pashtuns is very shallow.
There always been kings and emperors and they were supported by the people. Mirwais Neeka was representative of the nation even before him overthrowing the Georgian gorging khan. After over throwing he even got more support from the people. No manipulation needed ,people support their own. Ahmad Shah Abdali was a chosen king, he was chosen by the people. Pukhtunwali is not some wild practice. It is a very democratic system where people have a say even when it comes to the king. Maybe you have it mistaken for Indian feudal system.


In modern day politics we can say that the campaigners do manipulate people.

Even then no conspiracy involved so there is no conspiracy theory...that's just,what people in power do to cultivate society in their inerests

Mir Wais was never a king. His son Mahmood conquered Iran then he was murdered by Ashraf who made himself Shah. This doesn't mean tribal Pashtuns had kings

Plus the Hotak and most Ghilzai clans of Kandahar, except One or two mashar of the Tokhi and Suleman Khel fought Ahmad Sadozai. This idea of Ahmad Sadozai as baba was just perpetuated by Durrani establishment. You should read up about all the Ghilzai revolts. My ancestors are originally Kandahari but we were pushed into Ghazni by Timur, Ahmad's son after the 3rd revolt . Point being is that this "baba" stuff was cooked up by the Durrani rulers and perpetuated by Their Barekzai cousins, the Mohmadzai. If there was this universal embrace of the Durrani monarchy, these revolts would never have happened.

By the way, I'm Hotak myself ...Sahak/Sakzai.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

C'mon you are getting ridiculous.
His behaviour proves he is faking it.

What about shamlawar?

That's not how it works, I'd think that someone who has such an adament stance on Islam would be wary of making pronouncements like this. Getting triggered over something he said doesn't mean he's "faking it".

What about Shamlwar? here you go Whataboutism - Wikipedia