Pakistan Census 2017 (pashtun Population)

[Razor]

Afghans dont have anything to do with so called "Mughal identity" you fool, and neither do you. Mughal identity was limited to them, a few thousand foreigners ruling the natives of Hindustan like you.

Afghan identity, language, culture, traditions, leaders etc is all completely separate from Mughals who were just a tiny number of Turkic invaders of the Indian subcontinent with a few thousand Persian soldiers and courtesans between the eras of Homayoun and Shah Jahan.

These few thousand Turko-Persian foreigners ruled over millions of native paki servants like you in alliance and colloaboration from the petty Hindu chieftains of western India, the skinny, drug abusing "Rajputs". The interrelationship that dynasty had with their Hindu subjects was so much that Akbar married a Hindu and Jahangir and Shah Jahan both had Hindu mothers (Jahangir also had a Hindu first wife).

Just look at your absurd and bizare fabrications about things you know nothing about. "Mughal identity", "Indus valley identity", Radcliffe line of 1947 identity, lol. What a Jat fool you are.

You are one of those insecure pakis that must think when Christopher Columbus landed in the Carribbean he found the "West Mughals" or the "West pakis", and not the "West Indies" which the Carribbean is also known as, or that Native Americans were originally called "Red Mughals" or "Red pakis" and not "Red Indians", etc etc etc It is all an error and mistake of history, what they were really looking for was another route to "Indus valey" or "Pakliand" and not India when Europeans first voyaged west across the Atlantic! Calling the Native Americans 'Red Indians' from the 15th century to 20th century was a mistake, they should have been called the 'Red pakis' because India never existed according to 60 year old paki school books!

It is clear from the stupid beliefs you have that you are ignorant and uneducated on history, or you are just another paki inferiority complex driven liar that is either scared to study history because you know it will utterly demolish the false beliefs you have or like a typical paki weakling you simply just do not have the mental acumen to sit down and read some books from start to finish and digest what is you are learning.

Can you stay civil? Or is that too much to ask? You sound like an incredibly hateful individual. Must make your blood boil to realise that Pakistan is home to most Pashtuns and Balochis in the world.

You just proved my point. India was never one fixed place. Europeans referred to half of Asia as "India", including Afghanistan, Indus Valley, modern India, and even China was referred to as Oriental India. Hence its not an identity that any self respecting person would use. Its a generic term.

Everything unknown to Europeans was India. West Indies, East Indies, Indo-China, Indonesia etc.

Named after the Indus River, which flows through Pakistan. Cry more.

[Razor]

Also, I use my terms very carefully.

I said Indus Valley region.
Mughal Identity or Empire

Because when you are dealing with things that are not India, you are required to make sense.

[maneatinglizard]

You just described history of the entire humanity. Pakistani culture today is based on Mughal culture with regional influences.

No, I haven't described any human history, except for a small number of self-loathing weirdos who can't accept who they are, and instead latch onto the rulers of their ancestors like they have some kind of genetic Stockholm Syndrome.

"Pakistani" (read: Punjabi) culture is a variant of Indic culture with some influences from West/Central Asia. You keep trying to adopt the identities of people who conquered you for some reason, but no one in the world would mistake you or your culture for those conquerors or their culture. Did they have an influence on your culture? Sure. Did they somehow completely upend the well-established Indic culture of Punjab and replace it entirely with a foreign one as you keep trying to claim? lol no. That doesn't even happen in places like North Africa, where the native languages were almost completely replaced by a foreign one. How can you possibly claim it happened in Punjab, where Mughals didn't even rule long enough to actually replace your ancestral language with Farsi?

Perhaps more importantly, how can you so easily brush aside your own ancestors for foreign conquerors? Would you be happy if your descendants in a few hundred years started calling themselves British, denying every association they had with Pakistan or you, and claiming that they follow "British Muslim" culture? Because judging by the lack of ghairat you have for your own ancestors, they probably will do that.

[Friends of Baloch]

Can you stay civil? Or is that too much to ask? You sound like an incredibly hateful individual. Must make your blood boil to realise that Pakistan is home to most Pashtuns and Balochis in the world.

You just proved my point. India was never one fixed place. Europeans referred to half of Asia as "India", including Afghanistan, Indus Valley, modern India, and even China was referred to as Oriental India. Hence its not an identity that any self respecting person would use. Its a generic term.

Everything unknown to Europeans was India. West Indies, East Indies, Indo-China, Indonesia etc.

Named after the Indus River, which flows through Pakistan. Cry more.

What utter bullsh!t.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Razor]

No, I haven't described any human history, except for a small number of self-loathing weirdos who can't accept who they are, and instead latch onto the rulers of their ancestors like they have some kind of genetic Stockholm Syndrome.

"Pakistani" (read: Punjabi) culture is a variant of Indic culture with some influences from West/Central Asia. You keep trying to adopt the identities of people who conquered you for some reason, but no one in the world would mistake you or your culture for those conquerors or their culture. Did they have an influence on your culture? Sure. Did they somehow completely upend the well-established Indic culture of Punjab and replace it entirely with a foreign one as you keep trying to claim? lol no. That doesn't even happen in places like North Africa, where the native languages were almost completely replaced by a foreign one. How can you possibly claim it happened in Punjab, where Mughals didn't even rule long enough to actually replace your ancestral language with Farsi?

Perhaps more importantly, how can you so easily brush aside your own ancestors for foreign conquerors? Would you be happy if your descendants in a few hundred years started calling themselves British, denying every association they had with Pakistan or you, and claiming that they follow "British Muslim" culture? Because judging by the lack of ghairat you have for your own ancestors, they probably will do that.

I never denied our Punjabi/Sindhi heritage. Tell me where I did that. In fact Pakistanis are proud of the Indus valley and everything that's associated with it.
You are the one demanding that Pakistanis ignore the Mughal chapter which lasted longer than any other single empire in the region. Yes, we associate with the Mughals for many many reasons.

I think you are upset that I am not jumping at calling everything "Indian" and that I prefer to use the actual names like Punjab, Sindh, Mughal empire, Indus valley etc. Also, South Indians, Central Indians and even Bengalis are very different from Punjabi/Sindhis. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

[Razor]

What utter bullsh!t.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

You clearly do, with your plethora of pseudo-information on dalits and caste systems.
I read others saying you are South Indian. Makes sense.

[Razor]

Indic culture

Indic culture makes as much sense as Asian culture. It's a category, but its not actually a thing.

And I think you realise that a lot of Indians include Pashtun heritage in their version of Indian and Indian culture. Might want to be careful with that term....

[Friends of Baloch]

I never denied our Punjabi/Sindhi heritage. Tell me where I did that. In fact Pakistanis are proud of the Indus valley and everything that's associated with it.
You are the one demanding that Pakistanis ignore the Mughal chapter which lasted longer than any other single empire in the region. Yes, we associate with the Mughals for many many reasons.

I think you are upset that I am not jumping at calling everything "Indian" and that I prefer to use the actual names like Punjab, Sindh, Mughal empire, Indus valley etc. Also, South Indians, Central Indians and even Bengalis are very different from Punjabi/Sindhis. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

And we know that all of those reasons are fabrications and a result of your Indian racial and cultural inferiority complex.

[Friends of Baloch]

Indic culture makes as much sense as Asian culture. It's a category, but its not actually a thing.

And I think you realise that a lot of Indians include Pashtun heritage in their version of Indian and Indian culture. Might want to be careful with that term....

Afghans do know that, and Afghans ridicule those Indian lies and ignorance too just like your lies and ignorance have been ridiculued here.

[Razor]

And we know that all of those reasons are fabrications and a result of your Indian racial and cultural inferiority complex.

Indian race. lol. Is there anything out there which is not Indian?

Punjabi and Sindhi (aka Indus valley) cultures and languages are strong enough. Thanks for the concern. I know the Indian inside you is burning right about now

[Razor]

Afghans do know that, and Afghans ridicule those Indian lies and ignorance too just like your lies and ignorance have been ridiculued here.

Right right. Says the guy who is well versed in Dalitology

[Charsi Malang]

And moments ago, your friend was arguing that its in fact Indian lol.

You just described history of the entire humanity. Pakistani culture today is based on Mughal culture with regional influences.



You have mental issues. Seriously.

Pakistani culture is based on Mughal culture? Come on man be serious. Mughals were originally Central Asians who over centuries of ruling over India then changed.

[Charsi Malang]

Can you stay civil? Or is that too much to ask? You sound like an incredibly hateful individual. Must make your blood boil to realise that Pakistan is home to most Pashtuns and Balochis in the world.

You just proved my point. India was never one fixed place. Europeans referred to half of Asia as "India", including Afghanistan, Indus Valley, modern India, and even China was referred to as Oriental India. Hence its not an identity that any self respecting person would use. Its a generic term.

Everything unknown to Europeans was India. West Indies, East Indies, Indo-China, Indonesia etc.

Named after the Indus River, which flows through Pakistan. Cry more.

Afghanistan has never been referred to as oriental India by any British historian past or present. The earliest and most comprehensive British writer on Afghanistan called it the "Kingdom of Caubul". Nothing to do with India.

Every British historian or writer or soldier hasn't made a clear distinction between India and Afghanistan. Many were of the opinion that India stops at the river Indus for very obvious reasons.

Why can't any Desi accept that Afghanistan is a separate region with a distinct and completely separate culture?

[Razor]

Pakistani culture is based on Mughal culture? Come on man be serious. Mughals were originally Central Asians who over centuries of ruling over India then changed.

Cultures evolve.

I dont understand your argument though. Mughals didn't become Hindu. You do realise they were Urdu speaking Muslims.

[Razor]

Afghanistan has never been referred to as oriental India by any British historian past or present. The earliest and most comprehensive British writer on Afghanistan called it the "Kingdom of Caubul". Nothing to do with India.

Every British historian or writer or soldier hasn't made a clear distinction between India and Afghanistan. Many were of the opinion that India stops at the river Indus for very obvious reasons.

Why can't any Desi accept that Afghanistan is a separate region with a distinct and completely separate culture?

I agree with you. I was making the point that Europeans were very inaccurate with the use of the term India.

Its you who are not accepting that Punjabi and Sindhi cultures are also distinct and you cant package everything into an "Indian identity". There are overlaps but some of the claims here are insane