What do Pakistan Pashtuns look like, Indic or Iranic?

[Elite Pakhtun]

Your lineage ie your family heritage comes from the father's side. Ethnicity or racial group is not a consideration in Islam. Pashtun is an ethnic group, so one side of the family only makes 50%.

[Forreigner]

Your lineage ie your family heritage comes from the father's side. Ethnicity or racial group is not a consideration in Islam. Pashtun is an ethnic group, so one side of the family only makes 50%.

Would someone who look like this still be ethnic Pashtun?



Same as these guys:

[Elite Pakhtun]

Would someone who look like this still be ethnic Pashtun?



Same as these guys:

You do realize I'm agreeing with you, right?

Most likely no they would not share the same ethnic group. I feel a little bad for black people lol. If they read this they would think we hate them immensely.

[vsdoc]

Its funny how racism works west to east.

The Turks on the Iranians.

The Iranians on both the Afghan and the Pakis.

The Afghans on the Pakis.

The Pakis on Indians.

Within India North to east and south.

Indians as a whole on Bangladeshis. Pakis too of course.

Then the mongoloid gene pool starts so I really don't know what their equations are. Though historically the pecking order has always been the Japs on the Chins and the Chins on the Viets and everyone below. With the Koreans having a special kind of hatred for the Japs.

Its a lovely world we live in.

Cheers, Doc

[Forreigner]

You do realize I'm agreeing with you, right?

Most likely no they would not share the same ethnic group. I feel a little bad for black people lol. If they read this they would think we hate them immensely.

Okay....and no I didnt post black guy to be racist or something...i posted to make a point clear...that ethnicity becomes pointless when people mix to the point the descendant(s) no longer exhibits any of his ancestors' physical charachteristics...


Perhaps one day beyond our lifetimes all humans will have mixed into one dark brown race forming a one world country and it may have positive esults or be about just the same as now (socioeconomically)...and by then ethnicity and race might become pointless....who knows

[Forreigner]

So you dumb faggots are up to conspiring with the hindus again. LOL

A fair skinned Indian literally looks like my Pakistani lora.

George Clooney is right
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[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Thats kind of nonsensical ogic to folllow man if you want to preserve your race.

Pashtuns are not racialists; this is how Pashtun culture defines Pashthns; you're Pashtun if your dad is Pashtun.

I understand since your dad's not Pashtun that you can't claim any Pashtun connections, why this would be grating for you to hear.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Well I say **** that stupid **** and to hell with it if your ancestor looked like this:


Is there any point in any ethnicity following your logic?


Btw. no racisme or hatred intended by my posts...this a genuinely interesting topic/question.

This is a very unlikely scenario so it doesn't even need to be considered. But regardless

Your bias is one sided, You picked a guy who looks pretty European, so if Pashtun men Started out like this....




And married with Europeans and his descendants looked like this.



Would they be Pashtun? Pashtuns are geographically restricted to Asia-Middle East-South Asia. So there's limited Mixing, but when there is you become identified as Pashtun from your father's line.


This what Pashtun cultures have decided long ago

[Elite Pakhtun]

Iblis, you are wrong and Forreigner is right. It's ethnic based. I've met many hybrids (punjabi + pashtun) in my life, and they say they're mixed. Pashtun is an ethnic group so male parent's ethnicity is only half the equation.

[Manzareh]

This is a very unlikely scenario so it doesn't even need to be considered. But regardless

Your bias is one sided, You picked a guy who looks pretty European, so if Pashtun men Started out like this....




And married with Europeans and his descendants looked like this.



Would they be Pashtun? Pashtuns are geographically restricted to Asia-Middle East-South Asia. So there's limited Mixing, but when there is you become identified as Pashtun from your father's line.


This what Pashtun cultures have decided long ago

The third guy looks pretty much like the white guy you posted, look at both their faces, take his turban off and take him away from sun and I bet he would be a spitting image. Not that I'm implying anything but just an observation, I think the features look strikingly similar.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Iblis, you are wrong and Forreigner is right. It's ethnic based. I've met many hybrids (punjabi + pashtun) in my life, and they say they're mixed. Pashtun is an ethnic group so male parent's ethnicity is only half the equation.

But Pashtuns identify by male line ....that's just how it is.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

The third guy looks pretty much like the white guy you posted, look at both their faces, take his turban off and take him away from sun and I bet he would be a spitting image. Not that I'm implying anything but just an observation, I think the features look strikingly similar.

Pashtuns come in all different kinds of appearances. I'm just attacking his false dichotomy that a Pashtun is archetypally this red head guy he posted. and if we mixed we're going to turn into blacks

Pashtuns are already a mixed people, what you see in the picture is evidence of that.

[Elite Pakhtun]

But Pashtuns identify by male line ....that's just how it is.

Some may, I'm not so sure as I haven't met any personally that base it solely on paternal lineage. In my experience, the mixed ones identify as mixed. They say my mother is this, my father is that.

How would you explain the Syeds who are pashtuns?

[Samandri]

How would you explain the Syeds who are pashtuns?

Lineage is some thing else.........the same Syeds, when they settle in Punjab or elsewhere, and forget Pashto with generations, they dont identify themselves as of "Pathan" background....but they simply call themselves Syeds, its because they dont have Pashtun shajara. I have come across some Syeds from Sindh, and they have told me that their great grandfather migrated from Buner to Sindh, their family was settled in Buner for centuries and before Buner they were settled in Bukhara and so on.......yet they were identifying themselves as Sindhis and Syeds .

Large number of Syeds migrated to India from Pakhtun belt........none of them are identifying themselves as "Pathans".....a great example from history would be Sayyid dynasty of Delhi......they were from Afghan/Pashtun belt , they heavily patronized Afghans (one of which was Bahlol Lodi's family) but they never identified themselves as Afghans nor they have been considered Afghans by historians......

If the mother is from a community, which is considered inferior by Pashtuns, it does get highlighted in derogatory manner , you will hear remarks "Punjabi zoye" for them........an Afghan noble from Sarwani tribe refused to give his daughter to Sultan Sikander Lodi because the latter's mother was daughter of an Indian Goldsmith.......Niazi chief in nowadays Mianwali refused to give his daughter to Mubarak Khan Sur, the nephew of Sher Shah Sur, because he was a son of Hindu concubine, he was told he is not much much of an Afghan in manners. Things are much changed now but you can get the idea how things were in the past and remain to be so in traditional pashtun areas to great extent....

From what i have observed, the same attitude is not displayed towards marriages with Balochs........Balochs with Pashtun mothers get treated like proper Balochs, and Pashtuns with Baloch mothers get treated like proper Pashtuns........one of the reason for it is that both are tribal people with many common cultural values......

[vsdoc]

Lineage is some thing else.........the same Syeds, when they settle in Punjab or elsewhere, and forget Pashto with generations, they dont identify themselves as of "Pathan" background....but they simply call themselves Syeds, its because they dont have Pashtun shajara. I have come across some Syeds from Sindh, and they have told me that their great grandfather migrated from Buner to Sindh, their family was settled in Buner for centuries and before Buner they were settled in Bukhara and so on.......yet they were identifying themselves as Sindhis and Syeds .

Large number of Syeds migrated to India from Pakhtun belt........none of them are identifying themselves as "Pathans".....a great example from history would be Sayyid dynasty of Delhi......they were from Afghan/Pashtun belt , they heavily patronized Afghans (one of which was Bahlol Lodi's family) but they never identified themselves as Afghans nor they have been considered Afghans by historians......

If the mother is from a community, which is considered inferior by Pashtuns, it does get highlighted in derogatory manner , you will hear remarks "Punjabi zoye" for them........an Afghan noble from Sarwani tribe refused to give his daughter to Sultan Sikander Lodi because the latter's mother was daughter of an Indian Goldsmith.......Niazi chief in nowadays Mianwali refused to give his daughter to Mubarak Khan Sur, the nephew of Sher Shah Sur, because he was a son of Hindu concubine, he was told he is not much much of an Afghan in manners. Things are much changed now but you can get the idea how things were in the past and remain to be so in traditional pashtun areas to great extent....

From what i have observed, the same attitude is not displayed towards marriages with Balochs........Balochs with Pashtun mothers get treated like proper Balochs, and Pashtuns with Baloch mothers get treated like proper Pashtuns........one of the reason for it is that both are tribal people with many common cultural values......

It's a racial thing. Whatever other long explanation you guys would like to put forward as window dressing.

Simply put, you don't mind genetic mingling with Iranic bloodlines.

Culture, tribalism, etc. are all peripheral to that basic truth.

Cheers, Doc

P.S. please don't bother trying to refute. I've been talking to you guys since 2009 ....