Afghan females of any age should be extra careful in India, they can be raped

[Manzareh]

Believe me if you want to get in stereotypes punjabis have of you then narrow minded hot headed is least of the problems here lol because two most common stereotypes are bacha bazi and selling daughters

If I was to go to Punjab now, and offered some poor people £'s I could buy a 100 punjabay women tomorrow. Poverty makes people do a lot of things regardless of race.

Punjabi's are known for alot of things, in uk you are known for grooming little children which is basically bacha bazi, out of all of thousands of immigrants that are in UK it is by no coincidence that it had to be gangs of Punjabi's that are names and shamed repeatedly, Indians also have their stereo types of you, Arabs also have their stereo types, I don't think you realise how the world views you.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Meant to do that? I mean, yeah I did, but If you're so inclined to believe that, then why don't you answer my question.

The point of me posting the video, was to demonstrate that what you just did was an example of someone who fumbled tremendously and then when caught, pretending that it was their intention, when everyone else knows that's just back peddling, no pun intended.

Are the rates posted by that member reflecting ground realities?

I'm not sure I didn't investigate, this discussion is a tad juvenile, and Pakistani Nationalists are defensively lashing out, however, I can say "ground realities" tend to be incredibly subjective, while statistics are not perfect, and even some can be challenged on the grounds on their data interpretation and or how they developed their sample space etc; they provide at least a foundation for having objective metrics on how to assess problems.

If you live in the west,

Yes and I read a news article in "The Daily Beast" a few months ago about a Pakistani Pornographic Film Performer in the United States. basically highlighting exactly the issue you project onto other communities.

I'm a graduate of NYU,

Congratulations, yet for someone who graduated from a big name University, having such exposure to high level thinking, your ideas seem scattered and disconnected.

[Golden]

If I was to go to Punjab now, and offered some poor people £'s I could buy a 100 punjabay women tomorrow. Poverty makes people do a lot of things regardless of race.

Punjabi's are known for alot of things, in uk you are known for grooming little children which is basically bacha bazi, out of all of thousands of immigrants that are in UK it is by no coincidence that it had to be gangs of Punjabi's that are names and shamed repeatedly, Indians also have their stereo types of you, Arabs also have their stereo types, I don't think you realise how the world views you.

No you couldn't buy any women in punjab this way but I could buy any afghana for some € in Pakistan. This is ground reality my friend and little to do with poverty but culture. Afghans are richer then poorest of poor in punjab yet sell their daughters anyway.

It's like saying whites also have some criminal paedophile among them, very different from being part of their culture. btw these gangs you talk of are mirpuris not punjabis.

[Rooh]

The point of me posting the video, was to demonstrate that what you just did was an example of someone who fumbled tremendously and then when caught, pretending that it was their intention, when everyone else knows that's just back peddling, no pun intended.



I'm not sure I didn't investigate, this discussion is a tad juvenile, and Pakistani Nationalists are defensively lashing out, however, I can say "ground realities" tend to be incredibly subjective, while statistics are not perfect, and even some can be challenged on the grounds on their data interpretation and or how they developed their sample space etc; they provide at least a foundation for having objective metrics on how to assess problems.



Yes and I read a news article in "The Daily Beast" a few months ago about a Pakistani Pornographic Film Performer in the United States. basically highlighting exactly the issue you project onto other communities.



Congratulations, yet for someone who graduated from a big name University, having such exposure to high level thinking, your ideas seem scattered and disconnected.

I can say that I am not gifted in writing. All I did was simply ask a question of redundancy regarding the rates posted by that member. My intention was just to ask the same question, and see If the posters here would respond differently.

I am Pakistani and do love my country, but at the same token, I don't put my nation before my religion. So perhaps you can also call me a 'nationalist', but I am in no way a fascist. I grew up in a very religious and conservative household, but it does not make me a terrorist, or a war monger. I'm one of the few Pakistanis that don't degrade Afghan refugees and the ironic part is that I am from South Punjab in Pakistan.


I would like to argue that your argument regarding polling/statistics presented by a certain member are hypocritical. You clearly said that the data interpretation and sample space for this study can quite possibly be skewed.
So I would like to ask you, how would such results provide an 'objective' foundation? Basing a prerequisite study on inaccurate grounds can in no way provide accurate 'metrics', let alone a foundation for data, being that it is inaccurate.

I mean, in this case you are just trying to justify and defend the research methods, not the results.


I have no idea about the porn-star that you are talking about, and I don't even want to bother myself by looking her up. There are prostitutes and *****s in ever community. Do you feel the need to justify an Afghan ***** out of nationalism? I definitely don't feel the need to shoulder the burden of such people that don't share the same values that I do. Whether they are from the same country as me or not, because it doesn't represent me and my family.

If certain Afghans engage in bacha baazi, I don't automatically associate this practice to all Afghans. Let's be real, the Afghans that do it are in minority compared to regular people.

As far as being a NYU graduate, it's not a big deal. I only ever got my BA in Accounting. I am in no position to look down on anyone, but I don't think people should assume that I am not educated either.

I have no issue with you. In fact, I agree with you on a lot of things you post regarding Islam. I try to stay away from those threads because I am not properly educated, but of course I have my own opinions.


To be honest, I don't want to get into a long winded debate over intellectual ego. You are smarter than me brother. But I would like you to know, I don't hate Afghans. I feel sorry for the people of Afghanistan, because of their circumstances. I am a Punjabi Arain Pakistani that welcomes refugees, instead of being a fascist. I don't hold that same narrative that Afghans need to be beaten and sent back to their country. I guess I can thank my grandfather for my Islamic upbringing and mentality regarding this mess.

Take care.

[Forreigner]

As an Indian, I can say I am ashamed of many of my countrymen. Indians need to become civilized. I find it funny one side are sending rockets into space, and on the other hand majority of our population is still living in slums and rape any woman they see alone by herself.

[Manzareh]

No you couldn't buy any women in punjab this way but I could buy any afghana for some € in Pakistan. This is ground reality my friend and little to do with poverty but culture. Afghans are richer then poorest of poor in punjab yet sell their daughters anyway.

It's like saying whites also have some criminal paedophile among them, very different from being part of their culture. btw these gangs you talk of are mirpuris not punjabis.

Punjabi's sell their own mothers for a few rupees, look at your leaders in parliament, all currupt sell outs that sell the whole country for few dollars. And you are telling me if I go and offer poor desperate Punjabi a lot of money they will not take it?? Haha you are not that honourable people my friend, you have no morals and no shame, Punjabi's are the most sell out people in the world. The only respectful Punjabi's are the Sikhs.

Afghans are richer then poorest of poor in Punjab!?? Are you stupid to even suggest such a thing, shows your stupidy level.

And it is not in afghan culture to sell daughters, it's illogical, it happens out of poverty, try and tell a rich afghan you want to buy his daughter lol my friend you will have your head blown off with a shotgun. if you don't need the money why would you sell something?? Typical Paki idiot, re read the things you write before posting.

[Golden]

Punjabi's sell their own mothers for a few rupees, look at your leaders in parliament, all currupt sell outs that sell the whole country for few dollars. And you are telling me if I go and offer poor desperate Punjabi a lot of money they will not take it?? Haha you are not that honourable people my friend, you have no morals and no shame, Punjabi's are the most sell out people in the world. The only respectful Punjabi's are the Sikhs.

Afghans are richer then poorest of poor in Punjab!?? Are you stupid to even suggest such a thing, shows your stupidy level.

And it is not in afghan culture to sell daughters, it's illogical, it happens out of poverty, try and tell a rich afghan you want to buy his daughter lol my friend you will have your head blown off with a shotgun. if you don't need the money why would you sell something?? Typical Paki idiot, re read the things you write before posting.

Seem like you have lived all your life in UK, you will obviously have little idea about ground realities. Or maybe you don't want to accept it. Yes many aghanis are richer then poorest of poor in punjab but sell their daughters anyway. Poverty is poor excuse because otherwise many other poor people would sell their daughters to pay of debt etc It's not like afghans in Afghanistan don't do the same thing


Obviously not every afghani sell his daughter but so many do that it's considered part of your culture. Like as you suggested punjabi allow women and men to dance in weddings, which is true but not every one does it. I accept this but seem like you are in denial about your own short comings lol

Before going on about morals of punjabis, its hard to imagine more beghairat person then one who sell his own daughter for money.

[Forreigner]

Punjabi's sell their own mothers for a few rupees, look at your leaders in parliament, all currupt sell outs that sell the whole country for few dollars. And you are telling me if I go and offer poor desperate Punjabi a lot of money they will not take it?? Haha you are not that honourable people my friend, you have no morals and no shame, Punjabi's are the most sell out people in the world. The only respectful Punjabi's are the Sikhs.

Afghans are richer then poorest of poor in Punjab!?? Are you stupid to even suggest such a thing, shows your stupidy level.

And it is not in afghan culture to sell daughters, it's illogical, it happens out of poverty, try and tell a rich afghan you want to buy his daughter lol my friend you will have your head blown off with a shotgun. if you don't need the money why would you sell something?? Typical Paki idiot, re read the things you write before posting.

This Porki is a troll. Porkis are sell outs. they are not even true to themselves. Porkistan is the biggest user of pornographic and beastiality material according to google research. Porkis are also a major porn producer in the world, porki women are a major group in porn industry.

As soon as Porki poonjabis end up in the west, their women become *****s and pornostars.

[Karachi]

Punjabi's sell their own mothers for a few rupees, look at your leaders in parliament, all currupt sell outs that sell the whole country for few dollars. And you are telling me if I go and offer poor desperate Punjabi a lot of money they will not take it?? Haha you are not that honourable people my friend, you have no morals and no shame, Punjabi's are the most sell out people in the world. The only respectful Punjabi's are the Sikhs.

Afghans are richer then poorest of poor in Punjab!?? Are you stupid to even suggest such a thing, shows your stupidy level.

And it is not in afghan culture to sell daughters, it's illogical, it happens out of poverty, try and tell a rich afghan you want to buy his daughter lol my friend you will have your head blown off with a shotgun. if you don't need the money why would you sell something?? Typical Paki idiot, re read the things you write before posting.

yet you want a pakistan, where punjabis are leaders, the joke is on you too, because you support the army, establishment, basically punjabis

[Manzareh]

yet you want a pakistan, where punjabis are leaders, the joke is on you too, because you support the army, establishment, basically punjabis

Who said I want a Pakistan or say I support xyz?? Don't talk rubbish.

[Manzareh]

Seem like you have lived all your life in UK, you will obviously have little idea about ground realities. Or maybe you don't want to accept it. Yes many aghanis are richer then poorest of poor in punjab but sell their daughters anyway. Poverty is poor excuse because otherwise many other poor people would sell their daughters to pay of debt etc It's not like afghans in Afghanistan don't do the same thing


Obviously not every afghani sell his daughter but so many do that it's considered part of your culture. Like as you suggested punjabi allow women and men to dance in weddings, which is true but not every one does it. I accept this but seem like you are in denial about your own short comings lol

Before going on about morals of punjabis, its hard to imagine more beghairat person then one who sell his own daughter for money.

Your argument is illogical and absurd, you have no justification apart from repeating 'ground realitys ground ground' lol shut the F up, you obviously do not have any interaction with a Pashtun man or realise how over protective he is over the women in the house.

All your knowledge comes from going to mujras and talking about Pathans in your little circle. Our culture is Pashtunwali, it's a written code go research it;


Melmastia (hospitality
Nanawatai (forgiveness or asylum)
Nyaw aw Badal (justice and revenge)
Turah (bravery)
Sabat (loyalty)
Khegaṛa / Shegaṛa (righteousness)
Groh (faith)
Pat, Wyaar aw Meṛaana (respect, pride and courage)
Naamus (protection of women)
Nang (honor)
Hewaad (country)

Where does it say sell women? No doubt we are a population of 60 million people and I'm not saying it doesn't happen or happen but if it was part of culture it would be under one of those things, no? Punjabi's don't have culture apart from what is borrowed from Hinduism, you are immoral people in general with no honour, you are 'awaar' 'azaad'. This is the reason why you are here on Pashtunforums out of jealousy. Get a life dude.

[Shapur]

I think this thread has served its purpose.