Afghan females of any age should be extra careful in India, they can be raped

[Golden]

Bacha Bazi exists, but there's actually no reliable data on it,. Hence most of your statement is speculation. The ANA never claimed to be better than "average joe" but if you mean the ANA re distinct than the main populace then you already demonstrated that it's a fringe in Afghanistan, not the norm.

And your citation is talking about rape victims facing retribution; not the sanctioning of rape. Again you didn't think this through. Hundreds of kids in Kasur being put in child pornography. that can't happen without locals colluding.

When I did say Afghani law approve rape? Though it does help rapists rather then victim. And we have gone through this bacha bazi debate before, it's common to the point of considered cultural practice in Afghanistan hence not given importance by law agencies if they exist to begin with.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

When I did say Afghani law approve rape? Though it does help rapists rather then victim. And we have gone through this bacha bazi debate before, it's common to the point of considered cultural practice in Afghanistan hence not given importance by law agencies if they exist to begin with.

You were claiming it's a norm in Afghanistan. This is clearly not so. You're assuming the rapist was exonerated, nothing in your citation suggests that so your conclusion is faulty.

You have no data or statistics on bacha bazi, and by your own admission confirm it's a fringe, groups and not the common people, hence not common to the point of cultural practice.

This is your own admission But hundreds of kids in a Punjabi village and these gangs were allowed to get away with it with people's support. THAT IS cultural.

[Golden]

You were claiming it's a norm in Afghanistan. This is clearly not so. You're assuming the rapist was exonerated, nothing in your citation suggests that so your conclusion is faulty.

You have no data or statistics on bacha bazi, and by your own admission confirm it's a fringe, groups and not the common people, hence not common to the point of cultural practice.

This is your own admission But hundreds of kids in a Punjabi village and these gangs were allowed to get away with it with people's support. THAT IS cultural.

Sorry gang is in jail, we are not talking about Afghanistan remember. And people protested and injured police officers. That never happen in Afghanistan hence we should consider it part of their culture.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Sorry gang is in jail, we are not talking about Afghanistan remember. And people protested and injured police officers. That never happen in Afghanistan hence we should consider it part of their culture.

The same people were standing by while this was happening in front of their faces. This is all a defense mechanism you use whenever you're confronted with any uncomfortable information.

[Golden]

The same people were standing by while this was happening in front of their faces. This is all a defense mechanism you use whenever you're confronted with any uncomfortable information.

Nope, few people abusing kids in private is very different then open bacha bazi culture of Afghanistan. That's why westerners find it so fascinating and make documentaries on it.

[Azmal]

sound nice on paper but not in reality. Otherwise bacha bazi would be thing of past at least in ANA camps who are supposed to be better then average joe. No one follow civilised laws in Afghanistan.

"Rape is a major issue in Afghanistan. A number of human rights organizations have criticized the country's rape laws and their enforcement.

Rape in Afghanistan is largely under-reported.[1][2]

In many cases, the victim is punished. Women are respected for their virginity, and it is rare for a man to marry a rape victim. Even if the women gets pregnant, it is uncommon for the rapist to marry her.[3] Thus a women is now punished for being "impure". The authorities treat such cases as adultery. Even if the woman is not punished, she remains rejected by society as "dishonorable" (badnaam in Pashto), while the rapist is not considered dishonored.[3] Sometimes the national courts are ignored in favour of tribal courts.[4]"

Raped women is likely to be punished or in best case scenario forced to marry who raped her to preserve family honour. This despite the fact afghani marry girls as soon as they turn 10.

Some years ago when I was visiting Kabul…I volunteered in committee to reform Afghan legal laws. To my surprise the civil and criminal law of Afghanistan is still based Shariah-- Hanafi laws specially the books Al-fiqh al-akbar (theological book on jurisprudence), and Al-fiqh al-absat (general book on jurisprudence). On other hand Shiitee under Shiite Personal Status Law has been giving the option of Jaffari jurisprudence. The punishment for rape according to Hanafi School is very complex, for example if both victim and the preparatory of rape are single then law allows for marriage giving victim agrees--in most case they do for no one will marry a rape victim. On other hand the act of rape itself is consider as Zina thus judged based on Hudud law---a Punishment which is mandated and fixed by Allah.
I do agree rape is a taboo subject in Afghanistan, at same it is not as common as neighboring country for simple fact that it is the ultimate shame and dishonor…rape is consider worst then cold blood murder… I believe the reason or Bacha Bazi also has to do with considering woman as Ezaat and you simply don’t play around peoples Ezaat no matter how poor or rich. The same is true in Pashtunistan and Balochistan...you can never find Jirga ordering rape as it was the case with Punjab Panjchat--Mokhtar Mai.

[Azmal]

That's myth tough, barelwis don't do sajdah to pirs. Anyone who do that is clearly doing shirk. Maybe some really do but I'm being half barelwi never heard of it. Yes some kiss pir graves but not with intention of sajdah.

I meant barelwis in central punjab rural areas do many weird things from wahabi point of view. They are clearly not necessary in Islam. Like in this video from some Sialkot town, doesn't make sense to me but what ever if they are happy doing it.

Milad Mahfil Jamiya Lal Masjid Kashmir Road Pacca Ghara Sialkot Pakistan - YouTube

They do...they kiss and rub their eyes on graves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBS986fVnCk

[Golden]

Some years ago when I was visiting Kabul…I volunteered in committee to reform Afghan legal laws. To my surprise the civil and criminal law of Afghanistan is still based Shariah-- Hanafi laws specially the books Al-fiqh al-akbar (theological book on jurisprudence), and Al-fiqh al-absat (general book on jurisprudence). On other hand Shiitee under Shiite Personal Status Law has been giving the option of Jaffari jurisprudence. The punishment for rape according to Hanafi School is very complex, for example if both victim and the preparatory of rape are single then law allows for marriage giving victim agrees--in most case they do for no one will marry a rape victim. On other hand the act of rape itself is consider as Zina thus judged based on Hudud law---a Punishment which is mandated and fixed by Allah.
I do agree rape is a taboo subject in Afghanistan, at same it is not as common as neighboring country for simple fact that it is the ultimate shame and dishonor…rape is consider worst then cold blood murder… I believe the reason or Bacha Bazi also has to do with considering woman as Ezaat and you simply don’t play around peoples Ezaat no matter how poor or rich. The same is true in Pashtunistan and Balochistan...you can never find Jirga ordering rape as it was the case with Punjab Panjchat--Mokhtar Mai.

All this honour stuff is only found on internet, average female would rather go out alone in Pakistan then in Afghanistan. I obviously don't expect you to accept this but is open secret. Afghanis don't respect any women but their own.

[Azmal]

All this honour stuff is only found on internet, average female would rather go out alone in Pakistan then in Afghanistan. I obviously don't expect you to accept this but is open secret. Afghanis don't respect any women but their own.

Keeping in mind there have been a war in Afghanistan for past 40 years and the state infrastructure was completely destroyed, the economy was devastated--- with millions of land mines planted on agricultural lands..the unemployed rate is highest in region and there are warlords with their thugs all armed to the teeth roaming---yet the crime rate is lower then Pakistan.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...Pakistan/Crime






Violent crime > Gun crime > Guns per 100 residents 4.6
Ranked 103th. 11.6
Ranked 55th. 3 times more than Afghanistan



Violent crime > Murder rate 712
Ranked 69th. 13,860
Ranked 1st. 19 times more than Afghanistan

Violent crime > Murder rate per million people 26.34
Ranked 114th. 78.68
Ranked 6th. 3 times more than Afghanistan


Violent crime > Murders 712
Ranked 69th. 13,860
Ranked 1st. 19 times more than Afghanistan

Violent crime > Murders per million people 26.34
Ranked 114th. 78.68
Ranked 6th. 3 times more than Afghanistan

Fear of crime > Worries about being attacked 96.43
Ranked 1st. 79% more than Pakistan


53.76
Ranked 23th.
Fear of crime > Feels safe walking alone > During the day 14.29
Ranked 92nd. 50.8
Ranked 80th. 4 times more than Afghanistan

[Azmal]

Murder rate---Homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants in various countries.---of Pakistan(6.8) is twice than Afghanistan(3.4) even though most of murders in Afghanistan is due to war or the warlord/druglords/mafia that are part of gov now a days.

[Rooh]

Murder rate---Homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants in various countries.---of Pakistan(6.8) is twice than Afghanistan(3.4) even though most of murders in Afghanistan is due to war or the warlord/druglords/mafia that are part of gov now a days.

And the ratio to population makes no difference in this figure?

Dude, that's why the world over believes that Afghans are retarded and uneducated.

Even after escaping to the west, Afghans refuse to go to school or learn math. And then you insult Taliban for not having intelligence, but you farsi/tajik Afghans are just as retarded, If not more.

This not a troll post, because it is just sad.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

And the ratio to population makes no difference in this figure?

Dude, that's why the world over believes that Afghans are retarded and uneducated.

Even after escaping to the west, Afghans refuse to go to school or learn math. And then you insult Taliban for not having intelligence, but you farsi/tajik Afghans are just as retarded, If not more.

This not a troll post, because it is just sad.

You dont understand 'rates' and you are calling other people retards?

[Azmal]

You dont understand 'rates' and you are calling other people retards?

hahahaha he is typical paki--doing his mental gymnastic in order hide his head in sand. These figure are very interesting, although there is active war in Afghanistan still there is less killing---yet our enemies are calling us "hot head".

[Rooh]

You dont understand 'rates' and you are calling other people retards?

LOL.

Who said, I don't understand rates?

I clearly asked If the ratio of the 'act' to the population, makes a difference. That was simply an objective comment to see what Afghan retards will reply with. You can say, I was baiting the retards.

Seems like you've had a little bit of education, but again like a typical Afghan, you jump to basing your responses on self proposed insinuations.

[Golden]

Keeping in mind there have been a war in Afghanistan for past 40 years and the state infrastructure was completely destroyed, the economy was devastated--- with millions of land mines planted on agricultural lands..the unemployed rate is highest in region and there are warlords with their thugs all armed to the teeth roaming---yet the crime rate is lower then Pakistan.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...Pakistan/Crime






Violent crime > Gun crime > Guns per 100 residents 4.6
Ranked 103th. 11.6
Ranked 55th. 3 times more than Afghanistan



Violent crime > Murder rate 712
Ranked 69th. 13,860
Ranked 1st. 19 times more than Afghanistan

Violent crime > Murder rate per million people 26.34
Ranked 114th. 78.68
Ranked 6th. 3 times more than Afghanistan


Violent crime > Murders 712
Ranked 69th. 13,860
Ranked 1st. 19 times more than Afghanistan

Violent crime > Murders per million people 26.34
Ranked 114th. 78.68
Ranked 6th. 3 times more than Afghanistan

Fear of crime > Worries about being attacked 96.43
Ranked 1st. 79% more than Pakistan


53.76
Ranked 23th.
Fear of crime > Feels safe walking alone > During the day 14.29
Ranked 92nd. 50.8
Ranked 80th. 4 times more than Afghanistan

It's well known that Afghanistan statics are under reported. To report it one actually need to have proper law enforcement agencies, sorry Taliban doesn't count. Afghani people kill each other over glass of water and here you're trying to convince me that Pakistan have higher crime rate based on unreliable data lol