Pakistan and Afghanistan enmity

[Aryana]

Niggah, Mongol, Chinky,.. and so on. Seems all your arguments can be reduced to racist remarks. Its good to see you Pashtuns lack of solid arguments. You are even losing in propaganda. Do you know what makes me even happier? That you are not even aware of it.

Go on. Never change. Its good for us that you guys remain so uncivilized. We will take advantage of it lmao

I just explained the history of your small-eyed people and you still say that, your mongoloid brain can't comprehend it eh? Not only that, the only thing I can grab out of your comments is the stupidity in racist remarks like "tribal". You really think "tribal" is an insult for us?

[Firdousi]

I just explained the history of your small-eyed people and you still say that, your mongoloid brain can't comprehend it eh? Not only that, the only thing I can grab out of your comments is the stupidity in racist remarks like "tribal". You really think "tribal" is an insult for us?

Of course its not an insult for you. You have that caveman mentality and you are proud of it. Donkey pride lmao

[Firdousi]

propaganda? Propaganda in what? The only one failing is you culturless tajiks who does not even have their own language and culture LOL.
I feel really sad for you, no culture or language only that of Persians and their achivements who you took over just to feel good about yourself. You are like the Macedonia in Europe who desperatly tries to prove that they are greek, when greeks and the rest laughs at them.
The same with you, day and night you people troll about being Persian or Aryan and what not, just so that the world will see you diffrently. But nobody does that.

Culturless, mongol, Turkic, chinky, niggah, gay,.. and so on. Every time you open your mouth you prove me right. Once again I am glad that you guys are not even aware of it. Love it.

Bark behind your screen. Nobody cares. Nothing going to change. I am more than happy with the current status quo. Hundreds of Pashtuns have been killed in the last weeks all over Afghanistan. Facts matter.

[Aryana]

Culturless, mongol, Turkic, chinky, niggah, gay,.. and so on. Every time you open your mouth you prove me right. Once again I am glad that you guys are not even aware of it. Love it.

Bark behind your screen. Nobody cares. Nothing going to change. I am more than happy with the current status quo. Hundreds of Pashtuns have been killed in the last weeks all over Afghanistan. Facts matter.

This chinky eyed Mongol ******* speaks about how Tajiks use "brains" and not "violence" yet look at the violence against Pashtuns that he supports. Hope your people get AIDS after practising bacha bazi that is very prevalent amongst Tajiks.

[Firdousi]

This chinky eyed Mongol ******* speaks about how Tajiks use "brains" and not "violence" yet look at the violence against Pashtuns that he supports. Hope your people get AIDS after practising bacha bazi that is very prevalent amongst Tajiks.

Back to square one lol

BTW those who are killing Pashtuns are your own Pashtun Taliban brothers. Our ANA guys are defending you against your own people. You musts realize that your own tribal culture is a cancer for yourselves. Pashtuns are Pashtuns worst enemy. As long as you guys don't stop with your caveman mentality you will suffer. What do you expect us to do? We will fight back and control everything. We are entitled to defend ourselves. Carrot and stick policy. Behave yourselves and we will give you carrots. Otherwise you will only have sticks for dinner lmao

[Aryana]

With all due respect but thats utter BS. First Pashtun dynasty to rule over Khorasan and Iran Zameen was Hottak. No need to say what kind of barbaric dynasty was this. They brought nothing but misery, death and destruction to our land and you guys expect us to love them? You are in denial. I have no problem like most of Tajiks with other Pashtun dynasties such as Abdalis. Ahmad Shah Abdali was born in Herat ergo he was my fellow countryman. He served a Persian king called Nadir Shah (despite being originally Turkeman). Even during Persian-British war people from Herat chose Afghanistan over Iran.

We have given everything to this country but this country has given nothing to us. I don't care so much about Pakistan. As long as they don't interfere in Afghanistan, specially in the Western and Northern provinces, I am more than happy. It was you Pashtuns who screwed up our relationship with them with your dumb nationalism. Now you are between the rock and a hard place. You brought this upon yourselves. Don't blame us.

Can't think of a single Tajik empire, since the Samanids were Persian.

It was the lack of nationalism that made us plunge, people are only caring about themselves. It will be nationalism that rejuvenates our nation.

[Win Butler]

Can't think of a single Tajik empire, since the Samanids were Persian.

It was the lack of nationalism that made us plunge, people are only caring about themselves. It will be nationalism that rejuvenates our nation.

Retard, they were local East Iranics. Why don't you ever cite some legitimate sources? Oh yeah, you're ****ing besawad!

"To begin with, it gives us the whereabouts of the village of Saman. The Nasabname tells us that it was a settlement near Tirmidh; this location was confirmed by the 19th century French scholar Guillaume Capus who visited a village north of Tirmidh known as Shahr-i Saman in the 1880's (8). The fact that Tirmidh was situated in the same Tukhari province as Balkh may account for Narshakh's impression that Samankhuda was ruler of that city; the Nasabname also gives the impression that Samankhuda had some measure of authority over the Balkhis (9). (W.L. Treadwell, "The Political History of the Samanid State," p. 66)

[Firdousi]

Can't think of a single Tajik empire, since the Samanids were Persian.

It was the lack of nationalism that made us plunge, people are only caring about themselves. It will be nationalism that rejuvenates our nation.

Spot on. It will be Persian nationalism that will rejuvenate Khorasan. Thanks for agreeing with me lol

[dawn]

Can't think of a single Tajik empire, since the Samanids were Persian.

It was the lack of nationalism that made us plunge, people are only caring about themselves. It will be nationalism that rejuvenates our nation.

99% of people only care about their own families or at most extended family yet you cry about Afghan pashtuns being divided in every post, get over it already lol.

People can get behind idea which also benefit them one way or another. It seem like only Taliban know how to unite Afghan pashtuns under one banner.

[Aryana]

Spot on. It will be Persian nationalism that will rejuvenate Khorasan. Thanks for agreeing with me lol

Khors an is the name for Afghanistan, not for the real homeland of Tajiks (Tajikistan). Go back to the north of the Oxus where you belong.

[Aryana]

99% of people only care about their own families or at most extended family yet you cry about Afghan pashtuns being divided in every post, get over it already lol.

People can get behind idea which also benefit them one way or another. It seem like only Taliban know how to unite Afghan pashtuns under one banner.

It's this division that has created the problem, uniting under one banner will solve many of the problems that our people face.

[Aryana]

Retard, they were local East Iranics. Why don't you ever cite some legitimate sources? Oh yeah, you're ****ing besawad!

"To begin with, it gives us the whereabouts of the village of Saman. The Nasabname tells us that it was a settlement near Tirmidh; this location was confirmed by the 19th century French scholar Guillaume Capus who visited a village north of Tirmidh known as Shahr-i Saman in the 1880's (8). The fact that Tirmidh was situated in the same Tukhari province as Balkh may account for Narshakh's impression that Samankhuda was ruler of that city; the Nasabname also gives the impression that Samankhuda had some measure of authority over the Balkhis (9). (W.L. Treadwell, "The Political History of the Samanid State," p. 66)

Tajiks aren't Eastern Iranics, they are the *******s of chinky - eyed Mongols.
Nowhere in that "source" did it even mention Samanids were Tajiks, since they were clearly of Persian origin.

[Shapur]

I find this enmity like a fools errand. Pashtuns throwing stones at each other, not realizing they're both living in a glass house. At it very best, it is nothing but a foolish act. I recommend Pashtuns from both sides to stop this foolishness and to stop acting as if it is a god given mission for them to insult each other.

Let me start off with this: Afghans, stop interfering with Pakistani Pashtuns business. I said it before and I will say it again, it is none of your business whether Pakistani Pashtuns are second class citizens or first class. If you don't see Pakistani Pashtuns themselves complain, then I see absolutely no reason for you to complain about something you are not related with.

That being said, now lets take another bull by its horns. A better relation between Pakistan and Afghanistan will improve the Pashtun situation. The only ethnicity who will benefit from the improved relation is literally Pashtuns from both sides. Whether it is culturally, linguistically, economically all the benefit will be with the Pashtuns. A hostile situation between these two nations will only harm Pashtuns. This is the ground reality. We are neighbors and we share a long border with each other, and Pashtuns are side by side with each other. So whether it is economically separation, terrorism, state warfare/tension, culturally/politically separation it will all harm Pashtuns. Whether TTP bombs or Afghan Taliban, it will always be the Pashtuns who get harmed. The enmity between Pakistan and Afghanistan does not harm Farsiwans or Punjabis, it harms just Pashtuns.

This is from a Tajik who says he is not racist and hate nationalism. Imagine what a Tajik who is nationalist feels. Farsiwans will hate us no matter what. They will by no mean want to coexist with Pashtuns. Farsiwans have imposed their language on us, they dominate the politics, they make racist remarks and insults toward pashtuns, and Pashtuns says nothing for the sake of uniting our country; yet, even then they're not satisfied with us and still to this day insult us.

So what I am trying to say is, isn't time for Pashtuns to turn they head away from external/Pakistani politics and turn their head toward internal politic.

Btw. Pakistani Pashtuns, the same thing is happening in Pakistan, but it is not for me to expose.

Agreed with most parts and certainly the colonialists knew full well what they were doing when drawing the borders of these modern states. Divide and rule policy at its best.

Disagree about the part where you say they imposed their language on us. It is Pashtuns themselves who are responsible for tbis. Nobody forced Durrani kings after Ahmad shah to speak Farsi but it happened because whether we like it or not Farsi is the lingua franca of Afghanistan and it was the lingua franca for empires of the past for south central asia. Did anyone force Khushal Khan khattak or Allama Iqbal to write Farsi poetry?

We have to accept facts and accepting facts is the first step to dealing with a problem. The fact is that Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan suffer from inferiority complex when dealing with Farsi and Urdu. Pashto is seen by the educated Pashtuns as the language of the Rural uneducated folks. This process will continue the more the Afghan and the Pakistani states become centralised and urbanised and come in contact with the dominant culture of the state. We need to stop blaming others and focus on our self in regards to our language. There are 50 million Pashtuns and Pashtuns on both sides need to come up with solutions on how to use Pashto in all spheres of life and make it easy and attractive for the young generations to uss Pashto in all spheres of life.

I think in Pakistan getting rid of Urdu as the national language is the main solution. All provinces can have their respective languages plus english because English is must anyways in modern world. So by getting rid of Urdu, Pashtuns can focus on Pashto and English and all ethnicities can talk to each other in English.

In Afghanistan as well if we mke English compulsary, it would be great for education and al other etnic groups can communicate with each other in English so Pashtuns wont have to learn Farsi and they dont have to learn Pashto. win win solution for all.

[Firdousi]

Agreed with most parts and certainly the colonialists knew full well what they were doing when drawing the borders of these modern states. Divide and rule policy at its best.

Disagree about the part where you say they imposed their language on us. It is Pashtuns themselves who are responsible for tbis. Nobody forced Durrani kings after Ahmad shah to speak Farsi but it happened because whether we like it or not Farsi is the lingua franca of Afghanistan and it was the lingua franca for empires of the past for south central asia. Did anyone force Khushal Khan khattak or Allama Iqbal to write Farsi poetry?

We have to accept facts and accepting facts is the first step to dealing with a problem. The fact is that Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan suffer from inferiority complex when dealing with Farsi and Urdu. Pashto is seen by the educated Pashtuns as the language of the Rural uneducated folks. This process will continue the more the Afghan and the Pakistani states become centralised and urbanised and come in contact with the dominant culture of the state. We need to stop blaming others and focus on our self in regards to our language. There are 50 million Pashtuns and Pashtuns on both sides need to come up with solutions on how to use Pashto in all spheres of life and make it easy and attractive for the young generations to uss Pashto in all spheres of life.

I think in Pakistan getting rid of Urdu as the national language is the main solution. All provinces can have their respective languages plus english because English is must anyways in modern world. So by getting rid of Urdu, Pashtuns can focus on Pashto and English and all ethnicities can talk to each other in English.

In Afghanistan as well if we mke English compulsary, it would be great for education and al other etnic groups can communicate with each other in English so Pashtuns wont have to learn Farsi and they dont have to learn Pashto. win win solution for all.

You know very well this will never happen. Why Farsi has been lingua franca of the Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia? Basically because it was the language of the dominant empires, it was the language of poets and wisemen. Farsi was backed by facts. Pashto will never have this status nor in Afghanistan nor in Pakistan. If you want people to learn Pashto you need to have a strong culture and contribute with positive things to society. So far Pashtuns are not a source of progress and stability but rather instability and ignorance. As long as you don't change this Pashto will remain a tribal language for uneducated people.

In the short and medium term I don't see this changing. Talibanism is the most probably outcome for those provinces inhabited by Pashtuns after all Taliban are real Pashtuns, they are the main Pashtun political and military force and they represent real Pashtun tribalism.

[DSM0305]

So, are people finally waking up and embracing the reality. In a few month you will all come back here and say; I wish I listened to him.