Pakistan and Afghanistan enmity

[DSM0305]

I find this enmity like a fools errand. Pashtuns throwing stones at each other, not realizing they're both living in a glass house. At it very best, it is nothing but a foolish act. I recommend Pashtuns from both sides to stop this foolishness and to stop acting as if it is a god given mission for them to insult each other.

Let me start off with this: Afghans, stop interfering with Pakistani Pashtuns business. I said it before and I will say it again, it is none of your business whether Pakistani Pashtuns are second class citizens or first class. If you don't see Pakistani Pashtuns themselves complain, then I see absolutely no reason for you to complain about something you are not related with.

That being said, now lets take another bull by its horns. A better relation between Pakistan and Afghanistan will improve the Pashtun situation. The only ethnicity who will benefit from the improved relation is literally Pashtuns from both sides. Whether it is culturally, linguistically, economically all the benefit will be with the Pashtuns. A hostile situation between these two nations will only harm Pashtuns. This is the ground reality. We are neighbors and we share a long border with each other, and Pashtuns are side by side with each other. So whether it is economically separation, terrorism, state warfare/tension, culturally/politically separation it will all harm Pashtuns. Whether TTP bombs or Afghan Taliban, it will always be the Pashtuns who get harmed. The enmity between Pakistan and Afghanistan does not harm Farsiwans or Punjabis, it harms just Pashtuns.

Another clarification for Afghan Pashtuns; this is what your fellow country men feel about you:

Pashtuns are in no position to oppress Persians in Afghanistan. They are weak, they lack of leadership, they are divided, they have no friends except a failed state like Pakistan, they lack of modern technology and access to heavy weapons and so on.

On the other hand Tajiks are supported by Iran, India, Russia, West and all Central Asian countries. We run the army, NDS, economy, media, bureaucracy and almost everything else. We will eventually impose our way of life on them than the other way around. Pashtun religious fanatics and nationalist are frustrated because they hate everyone and they like to blame on us all their miseries but truth is Pashtuns are Pashtuns main enemies.

There is a growing hatred from non Pashtuns toward Pashtuns basically because seem to be extremely racist, warmongers, violent, religious fanatics and completely unable to coexist or improver their way of life. We don't want to be dragged into the madness of their tribalism once again.

This is from a Tajik who says he is not racist and hate nationalism. Imagine what a Tajik who is nationalist feels. Farsiwans will hate us no matter what. They will by no mean want to coexist with Pashtuns. Farsiwans have imposed their language on us, they dominate the politics, they make racist remarks and insults toward pashtuns, and Pashtuns says nothing for the sake of uniting our country; yet, even then they're not satisfied with us and still to this day insult us.

So what I am trying to say is, isn't time for Pashtuns to turn they head away from external/Pakistani politics and turn their head toward internal politic.

Btw. Pakistani Pashtuns, the same thing is happening in Pakistan, but it is not for me to expose.

[Firdousi]

I find this enmity like a fools errand. Pashtuns throwing stones at each other, not realizing they're both living in a glass house. At it very best, it is nothing but a foolish act. I recommend Pashtuns from both sides to stop this foolishness and to stop acting as if it is a god given mission for them to insult each other.

Let me start off with this: Afghans, stop interfering with Pakistani Pashtuns business. I said it before and I will say it again, it is none of your business whether Pakistani Pashtuns are second class citizens or first class. If you don't see Pakistani Pashtuns themselves complain, then I see absolutely no reason for you to complain about something you are not related with.

That being said, now lets take another bull by its horns. A better relation between Pakistan and Afghanistan will improve the Pashtun situation. The only ethnicity who will benefit from the improved relation is literally Pashtuns from both sides. Whether it is culturally, linguistically, economically all the benefit will be with the Pashtuns. A hostile situation between these two nations will only harm Pashtuns. This is the ground reality. We are neighbors and we share a long border with each other, and Pashtuns are side by side with each other. So whether it is economically separation, terrorism, state warfare/tension, culturally/politically separation it will all harm Pashtuns. Whether TTP bombs or Afghan Taliban, it will always be the Pashtuns who get harmed. The enmity between Pakistan and Afghanistan does not harm Farsiwans or Punjabis, it harms just Pashtuns.

Another clarification for Afghan Pashtuns; this is what your fellow country men feel about you:



This is from a Tajik who says he is not racist and hate nationalism. Imagine what a Tajik who is nationalist feels. Farsiwans will hate us no matter what. They will by no mean want to coexist with Pashtuns. Farsiwans have imposed their language on us, they dominate the politics, they make racist remarks and insults toward pashtuns, and Pashtuns says nothing for the sake of uniting our country; yet, even then they're not satisfied with us and still to this day insult us.

So what I am trying to say is, isn't time for Pashtuns to turn they head away from external/Pakistani politics and turn their head toward internal politic.

Btw. Pakistani Pashtuns, the same thing is happening in Pakistan, but it is not for me to expose.

You Pashtuns started this. Before the war we Tajiks did not count. Everything was under Pashtun control: army, media, government and economy. We were like second class citizens in our own homeland. What did you expect? We will never allow those times to come back. All I have said in my previous statement is the bitter truth. Prove me wrong.

We are better organized than you guys, more united, more aware of our past and our future and we know much better how to play politics. Our propaganda is better and we use more our brains while Pashtuns rather prefer violence. We succeeded with our propaganda: the average Pashtun abroad still thinking that Taliban are a Punjabi movement. No matter how many of you guys we kill they will cheer and praise our army for doing so. Think about it.

You started this and now you are losing. Stop b*tching now wrora.

[DSM0305]

Tajiks dined and wined with Pashtuns since the very first Pashtun dynasty, even in Taliban era they were equals. That being said, now you Pashtuns seen it with your own eyes. Look what this Farsiwan writes. Are you still going to whine about Pakistan, while your own countryman treat you like a savage, a dog to be more precisely.

I am not saying there isn't problems in Pakistan or that Pashtuns live in luxury in Pakistan; but Pashtuns in Pakistan will solve their issues in Pakistan, while Afghan Pashtuns solve theirs in Afghanistan. While we both should support each other in our struggle.
This enmity between Pakistan and Afghanistan is nothing but a propaganda by non-Pashtuns to harm Pashtuns in both side of durand line.

[DSM0305]

Here is another example of Farsiwans view on Pashtuns

Because both are backward people even if little better then Afghanistan pastuns.

[Darwani]

Here is another example of Farsiwans view on Pashtuns

I'm not farsiwan/Afghanistan and neither I agree with Ferdousi racist posts against pashtuns or pakistanis. But I also see posters here insulting Afghanistan farsiwans by calling them chinki mongols. If anything this forum need to take racism seriously otherwise no one will take this forum serious.

[Afghanfootball]

These posts are BS you really cant tell these are Irani trolls lol? No wonder you mods never ban anyone. While there are Farsiwan who can be extremely racist its not majority like your posts imply.

[DSM0305]

I'm not farsiwan/Afghanistan and neither I agree with Ferdousi racist posts against pashtuns or pakistanis. But I also see posters here insulting Afghanistan farsiwans by calling them chinki mongols. If anything this forum need to take racism seriously otherwise no one will take this forum serious.

It were Pakistanis who insulted them. Likewise Farsiwans insulted Pakistanis as well.

Regardless it doesn't change the fact that Farsiwans have a hostile stance regarding Pashtuns.

[Firdousi]

Tajiks dined and wined with Pashtuns since the very first Pashtun dynasty, even in Taliban era they were equals. That being said, now you Pashtuns seen it with your own eyes. Look what this Farsiwan writes. Are you still going to whine about Pakistan, while your own countryman treat you like a savage, a dog to be more precisely.

I am not saying there isn't problems in Pakistan or that Pashtuns live in luxury in Pakistan; but Pashtuns in Pakistan will solve their issues in Pakistan, while Afghan Pashtuns solve theirs in Afghanistan. While we both should support each other in our struggle.
This enmity between Pakistan and Afghanistan is nothing but a propaganda by non-Pashtuns to harm Pashtuns in both side of durand line.

With all due respect but thats utter BS. First Pashtun dynasty to rule over Khorasan and Iran Zameen was Hottak. No need to say what kind of barbaric dynasty was this. They brought nothing but misery, death and destruction to our land and you guys expect us to love them? You are in denial. I have no problem like most of Tajiks with other Pashtun dynasties such as Abdalis. Ahmad Shah Abdali was born in Herat ergo he was my fellow countryman. He served a Persian king called Nadir Shah (despite being originally Turkeman). Even during Persian-British war people from Herat chose Afghanistan over Iran.

We have given everything to this country but this country has given nothing to us. I don't care so much about Pakistan. As long as they don't interfere in Afghanistan, specially in the Western and Northern provinces, I am more than happy. It was you Pashtuns who screwed up our relationship with them with your dumb nationalism. Now you are between the rock and a hard place. You brought this upon yourselves. Don't blame us.

[Firdousi]

It were Pakistanis who insulted them. Likewise Farsiwans insulted Pakistanis as well.

Regardless it doesn't change the fact that Farsiwans have a hostile stance regarding Pashtuns.

Oh yeah we Farsiwans are mean people. Unlike Pashtuns who are a source of love, respect, tolerance and brotherhood. Come on dude stop it. Nobody is afraid of Tajiks in Afghanistan basically because we are no threat to anyone. Its you Pashtuns who are hated by almost every ethnic group in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We Tajiks can bring a lot of positive things to Afghanistan. Pashtuns, on the other hand, are a constant trouble. Am I wrong? I am not.

[DSM0305]

These posts are BS you really cant tell these are Irani trolls lol? No wonder you mods never ban anyone. While there are Farsiwan who can be extremely racist its not majority like your posts imply.

You can?

Have you ever seen a moderate Farsiwan in any discussion platform. Personally I haven't.

If majority Farsiwans aren't racist, then go ahead and tell me why there were such a big fuss over what university should be named.

Tell me why there were such a big fuss over what ministries should be named.

Tell me why they were ready to go to another civil war when Ashraf Ghani got elected.

Tell me why there is always such a big fuss over a Pashto word in Afghanistan.

Tell me why the Afghan government haven't elected it representatives even after such a long time.

Tell me why is it so normal to insult Pashtuns in Afghan parliament. We're talking about a parliament for god sake.

Tell me why in the Gods name did a Farsiwan start insulting Pashtuns after the fall of Kunduz. We're talking about in the very Afghan parliament. In times like that it is normal for a country to unite, but in our country it is apparently normal to insult Pashtuns in times of crisis...

The more we avoid the question, the more problems we will face in the future. We are not talking about the Pashtuns just now, but the very state of Afghanistan. The current civil war isn't resolved because we're trying to avoid the blame and try to find someone to blame, Pakistan in this case. It because we are disregarding the facts. Pakistan do indeed have it roles in the war in Afghanistan, but we cant put all the blame on her. It is time that Pashtuns saw things inward and saw the real internal conflict instead of focusing in a shallow external threat.

[Firdousi]

You can?

Have you ever seen a moderate Farsiwan in any discussion platform. Personally I haven't.

If majority Farsiwans aren't racist, then go ahead and tell me why there were such a big fuss over what university should be named.

Tell me why there were such a big fuss over what ministries should be named.

Tell me why they were ready to go to another civil war when Ashraf Ghani got elected.

Tell me why there is always such a big fuss over a Pashto word in Afghanistan.

Tell me why the Afghan government haven't elected it representatives even after such a long time.

Tell me why is it so normal to insult Pashtuns in Afghan parliament. We're talking about a parliament for god sake.

Tell me why in the Gods name did a Farsiwan start insulting Pashtuns after the fall of Kunduz. We're talking about in the very Afghan parliament. In times like that it is normal for a country to unite, but in our country it is apparently normal to insult Pashtuns in times of crisis...

The more we avoid the question, the more problems we will face in the future. We are not talking about the Pashtuns just now, but the very state of Afghanistan. The current civil war isn't resolved because we're trying to avoid the blame and try to find someone to blame, Pakistan in this case. It because we are disregarding the facts. Pakistan do indeed have it roles in the war in Afghanistan, but we cant put all the blame on her. It is time that Pashtuns saw things inward and saw the real internal conflict instead of focusing in a shallow external threat.

Pashtuns are insulted basically because Pashtuns are behind most of our problems as a nation. Thats why nobody likes you. Even Pashtuns hate themselves despite all the 24/7 macho bravado. Get over it dude: behave yourselves and stop acting like terrorists. Only then people will treat you with respect and not hatred.

[DSM0305]

Its you Pashtuns who are hated by almost every ethnic group in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We Tajiks can bring a lot of positive things to Afghanistan. Pashtuns, on the other hand, are a constant trouble. Am I wrong? I am not.


Pashtuns are insulted basically because Pashtuns are behind most of our problems as a nation. Thats why nobody likes you. Even Pashtuns hate themselves despite all the 24/7 macho bravado. Get over it dude: behave yourselves and stop acting like terrorists. Only then people will treat you with respect and not hatred. Another example.

This is so called moderate Tajik. Imagine the nationalists.

[Firdousi]

Its you Pashtuns who are hated by almost every ethnic group in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We Tajiks can bring a lot of positive things to Afghanistan. Pashtuns, on the other hand, are a constant trouble. Am I wrong? I am not.

Another example. This is so called moderate Tajik. Imagine the nationalists.

You are hurt basically because you know I am speaking the truth.

Honestly I don't care so much. You can keep killing each other as much as you wish. Please just don't bring your tribalism into our provinces.

Dera manana.

[Afghanfootball]

You can?

Have you ever seen a moderate Farsiwan in any discussion platform. Personally I haven't.

If majority Farsiwans aren't racist, then go ahead and tell me why there were such a big fuss over what university should be named.

Tell me why there were such a big fuss over what ministries should be named.

Tell me why they were ready to go to another civil war when Ashraf Ghani got elected.

Tell me why there is always such a big fuss over a Pashto word in Afghanistan.

Tell me why the Afghan government haven't elected it representatives even after such a long time.

Tell me why is it so normal to insult Pashtuns in Afghan parliament. We're talking about a parliament for god sake.

Tell me why in the Gods name did a Farsiwan start insulting Pashtuns after the fall of Kunduz. We're talking about in the very Afghan parliament. In times like that it is normal for a country to unite, but in our country it is apparently normal to insult Pashtuns in times of crisis...

The more we avoid the question, the more problems we will face in the future. We are not talking about the Pashtuns just now, but the very state of Afghanistan. The current civil war isn't resolved because we're trying to avoid the blame and try to find someone to blame, Pakistan in this case. It because we are disregarding the facts. Pakistan do indeed have it roles in the war in Afghanistan, but we cant put all the blame on her. It is time that Pashtuns saw things inward and saw the real internal conflict instead of focusing in a shallow external threat.

It's because us Afghans since the end of the Soviet war (even before it) have been complete idiots. All ethnic groups have allowed themselves to become brainwashed by outsiders. Farsiwan that do this crap are idiots who have fallen for Irani or are jealous because Pashtuns have always been the higher class (pre russian war). However imo this ethnic divide problem is over exaggerated online (Youtube/Pashtunforums etc) Go on Facebook and you'll see if one person makes a racist comment towards a Pashtun or Farsiwan they will be swarmed by Afghans defending the other ethnicity. Pashtuns arent angels either brother. We have allowed ourselves to become the slave of Porkistan and allow them to brainwash us in their madrassas (I am Muslim). Im pretty sure we have also always treated Hazara like ****. Not only that Pashtuns have been against their own ****ing culture. How many Pashtuns have you seen forget their Pashto? Its ****ing ridiculous.

Though I agree we have to stop ignoring our issues. However as a people in general we have to stop being ****ing idiots. We have to be united (I can see changes coming) and stop letting us be brainwashed by other nations. Our biggest solution would be education.

[Afghanfootball]

Its you Pashtuns who are hated by almost every ethnic group in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We Tajiks can bring a lot of positive things to Afghanistan. Pashtuns, on the other hand, are a constant trouble. Am I wrong? I am not.


Pashtuns are insulted basically because Pashtuns are behind most of our problems as a nation. Thats why nobody likes you. Even Pashtuns hate themselves despite all the 24/7 macho bravado. Get over it dude: behave yourselves and stop acting like terrorists. Only then people will treat you with respect and not hatred. Another example.

This is so called moderate Tajik. Imagine the nationalists.

Dude his name is ****ing ferdousi he is not a freaking Tajik. Even if he was one he is most definitely not a moderate one.