Pakistan and Afghanistan enmity

[Samandri]

I find this enmity like a fools errand. Pashtuns throwing stones at each other, not realizing they're both living in a glass house. At it very best, it is nothing but a foolish act. I recommend Pashtuns from both sides to stop this foolishness and to stop acting as if it is a god given mission for them to insult each other.

Let me start off with this: Afghans, stop interfering with Pakistani Pashtuns business. I said it before and I will say it again, it is none of your business whether Pakistani Pashtuns are second class citizens or first class. If you don't see Pakistani Pashtuns themselves complain, then I see absolutely no reason for you to complain about something you are not related with.

That being said, now lets take another bull by its horns. A better relation between Pakistan and Afghanistan will improve the Pashtun situation. The only ethnicity who will benefit from the improved relation is literally Pashtuns from both sides. Whether it is culturally, linguistically, economically all the benefit will be with the Pashtuns. A hostile situation between these two nations will only harm Pashtuns. This is the ground reality. We are neighbors and we share a long border with each other, and Pashtuns are side by side with each other. So whether it is economically separation, terrorism, state warfare/tension, culturally/politically separation it will all harm Pashtuns. Whether TTP bombs or Afghan Taliban, it will always be the Pashtuns who get harmed. The enmity between Pakistan and Afghanistan does not harm Farsiwans or Punjabis, it harms just Pashtuns.

Another clarification for Afghan Pashtuns; this is what your fellow country men feel about you:



This is from a Tajik who says he is not racist and hate nationalism. Imagine what a Tajik who is nationalist feels. Farsiwans will hate us no matter what. They will by no mean want to coexist with Pashtuns. Farsiwans have imposed their language on us, they dominate the politics, they make racist remarks and insults toward pashtuns, and Pashtuns says nothing for the sake of uniting our country; yet, even then they're not satisfied with us and still to this day insult us.

So what I am trying to say is, isn't time for Pashtuns to turn they head away from external/Pakistani politics and turn their head toward internal politic.

Btw. Pakistani Pashtuns, the same thing is happening in Pakistan, but it is not for me to expose.

About Tajiks and others in Afghanistan, minorities always whine and wail against a majority like this. They will always have some thing to complained about. Same is the situation in Pakistan, while many complaints and grievances by smaller provinces against Punjab are well founded, genuine and justified, some are are just whining of a minority. Punjab and Punjabis are clever sort though, they dont say that Pashtun or Sindhi opposing Kalabagh is enemy of Punjab and Punjabis.....they say they are enemies of Pakistan and interests of Pakistan.

Its cringing to see any Bar Pashtun declaring Tajik minority as his enemy and rival. Let Tajiks whine and wail, make use of them, for last three hundred years they are serving Pashtuns and will continue to serve if Bar Pashtun make some progress from being an akhroat and donkey to a lord and lordly person.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Pashtun nationalists are worse than hostile Punjabis and Tajiks.

[dawn]

You Pashtuns started this. Before the war we Tajiks did not count. Everything was under Pashtun control: army, media, government and economy. We were like second class citizens in our own homeland. What did you expect? We will never allow those times to come back. All I have said in my previous statement is the bitter truth. Prove me wrong.

We are better organized than you guys, more united, more aware of our past and our future and we know much better how to play politics. Our propaganda is better and we use more our brains while Pashtuns rather prefer violence. We succeeded with our propaganda: the average Pashtun abroad still thinking that Taliban are a Punjabi movement. No matter how many of you guys we kill they will cheer and praise our army for doing so. Think about it.

You started this and now you are losing. Stop b*tching now wrora.

Stop crying like a hijra, you're not better organized or armed. If tomorrow your daddy USA take away foreign aid then Afghanistan will go back to middle ages.

Farsis can't even afford to pay to army or goverment employees out of their own resources, bitter reality. Your already tiny GDP/economy of $15 billion has been shrinking since last 5 years and will continue to do so after USA completly pull out.

Your soldiers already desert on daily basis, now imagine if they don't get payed? Who will save your a** from Taliban then?

[DSM0305]

It's because us Afghans since the end of the Soviet war (even before it) have been complete idiots. All ethnic groups have allowed themselves to become brainwashed by outsiders. Farsiwan that do this crap are idiots who have fallen for Irani or are jealous because Pashtuns have always been the higher class (pre russian war). However imo this ethnic divide problem is over exaggerated online (Youtube/Pashtunforums etc) Go on Facebook and you'll see if one person makes a racist comment towards a Pashtun or Farsiwan they will be swarmed by Afghans defending the other ethnicity. Pashtuns arent angels either brother. We have allowed ourselves to become the slave of Porkistan and allow them to brainwash us in their madrassas (I am Muslim). Im pretty sure we have also always treated Hazara like ****. Not only that Pashtuns have been against their own ****ing culture. How many Pashtuns have you seen forget their Pashto? Its ****ing ridiculous.

Though I agree we have to stop ignoring our issues. However as a people in general we have to stop being ****ing idiots. We have to be united (I can see changes coming) and stop letting us be brainwashed by other nations. Our biggest solution would be education.

I have been to facebook and the situation isn't much better. It is a false myth that Pashtuns have been the higher class or the so called ''Pashtun oppression''. As I said before, Farsiwans, especially Tajiks have been dining and wining with Pashtuns. It was like today with a pashtun head of state, but the strings got pulled by several others. At that time the central government didn't even have that much influence, everyone minded their own business.
Even at that time several Tajiks went against the state and fought it. Regarding Hazara oppression, Tajiks were as much part of it as Pashtuns, but for some odd reason Pashtuns get all the blame.

You keep saying that Pakistan is a big fault regarding all Afghanistan's problems, can you clarify what Pakistan exactly does that makes Afghanistan miserable... Pakistan's role is greatly exaggerated, because Farsiwans don't want Pashtuns to be close to each other. Lets take every issue Pakistan is blamed for and see whether Iran does the same.

- Iran greatly oppressed Afghans, killed them, treated them like dogs, humiliated them, used them as discard-able subject. They made signs where there is written ''dogs and Afghans not allowed''.
- Iran supported the civil war after soviet left
- Iran today supports Taliban

Yet, why is Pakistan blamed and get all the political garbage, while Iran is put on pedestal as our friendly neighbor... I tell you the truth, because there are Pashtuns in Pakistan, but not in Iran. Iran is our beloved Farsi speaking country who can influence the country with their cultural and linguistic Persian culture.

Now people shouldn't get me wrong. I am not saying we should start fighting our fellow country men. All I am saying is that we should be aware of our situation. There is a problem that need to be resolved. Our issue isn't external, but internal. Therefor we should focus internally.
The next issue is that Pakistan will in long run benefit Pashtuns. Not Pakistan as a country, but our Pashtun brethren in the other side. The same way Pakistani Pashtuns will benefit from Afghan Pashtuns.

[Barakzai Supply]

Afghanistan name should be changed if Tajiks Uzbeks and other want to be considered Afghans because Afghan means Pashtun. If you don't want to live under Pashtun influence then they should go back to Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan. The only real Afghans are Pashtun and Baloch natives of the region.

[DSM0305]

Dude his name is ****ing ferdousi he is not a freaking Tajik. Even if he was one he is most definitely not a moderate one.

He is definitely Tajik. He knows way to much Afghan history and politics(they're not correct, but he still knows it).

Then be my guest and find me a moderate Tajik. Not in real life, because obviously no one is going to express their true politically view, especially if they are in a opposing side. Find me someone in a platform where they are free to express themselves.

The reason it is evident that Farsiwans are hostile is due to the fact that their representative have several time expressed hostile intention in the political life, without a political back clash. Their supporters have several times made mayhem in the cities of Afghanistan.

[DSM0305]

About Tajiks and others in Afghanistan, minorities always whine and wail against a majority like this. They will always have some thing to complained about. Same is the situation in Pakistan, while many complaints and grievances by smaller provinces against Punjab are well founded, genuine and justified, some are are just whining of a minority. Punjab and Punjabis are clever sort though, they dont say that Pashtun or Sindhi opposing Kalabagh is enemy of Punjab and Punjabis.....they say they are enemies of Pakistan and interests of Pakistan.

Its cringing to see any Bar Pashtun declaring Tajik minority as his enemy and rival. Let Tajiks whine and wail, make use of them, for last three hundred years they are serving Pashtuns and will continue to serve if Bar Pashtun make some progress from being an akhroat and donkey to a lord and lordly person.

The situation is completely different. In Pakistan the minority is falling behind in every field. Culturally, linguistically, economically, military, death in wars, educationally so their grievance can be somehow justified.

The situation is differently in Afghanistan. The majority Pashtun is the one who is falling behind due to the fact that all the war is based on Pashtun soil. The economically benefit received from the west is based in Farsiwan dominated areas. So basically Pashtuns are falling behind in military, economically, socially, linguistically, culturally, educationally. The media is run by Farsiwans as well. So basically the main benefiter in this so called state is Farsiwans, but for some odd reason Pashtuns are still hated and they have hostile intention toward them. It should be Pashtuns who are hostile because they're bombed from literally every side, so why in the world is it the other way around.

In Pakistan for some odd reason, the people are far more patriotic. So making an issue anti Pakistani, Punjabis can maintain the hostility. The issue is different in Afghanistan. The fact that you say that it is anti Afghanistan, it will just push more toward it, because they hate Afghanistan and whatever is related to it. It wasn't for nothing they wanted to remove the very fact that Afghan was written in the documents... like seriously in Afghan documents, they want to remove the word Afghan...

What I am trying to say that the hostility of Farsiwans in Afghanistan is in completely different level. I honestly can't point out a situation similar to that of Afghanistan in any historical records. I just don't understand the hostility.

[DSM0305]

Afghanistan name should be changed if Tajiks Uzbeks and other want to be considered Afghans because Afghan means Pashtun. If you don't want to live under Pashtun influence then they should go back to Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan. The only real Afghans are Pashtun and Baloch natives of the region.

Lets change it to Panshirestan, so we all can be happy...

[Barakzai Supply]

Lets change it to Panshirestan, so we all can be happy...

Marg pa Panjshir.

Loy Kandaharistan only Kandahari Pashto offcial language

Sometimes I think Kandahar, Helmand, Rozgan, Zabul, Quetta, Nimroz, Herat should be our own country because we are apart from rest of Afghanistan and Kandahari Pashtun culture is different from other Pashtuns from other places. We Kandahari regardless of tribe whether Barakzai or Tokhi are kings and rulers by blood, the rest are just administrators and foot soldiers.

[DSM0305]

Marg pa Panjshir.

Loy Kandaharistan only Kandahari Pashto offcial language

Sometimes I think Kandahar, Helmand, Rozgan, Zabul, Quetta, Nimroz, Herat should be our own country because we are apart from rest of Afghanistan and Kandahari Pashtun culture is different from other Pashtuns from other places. We Kandahari regardless of tribe whether Barakzai or Tokhi are kings and rulers by blood, the rest are just administrators and foot soldiers.

You're speaking a brokken Pashto, you're fooling no one. I can definitely guarantee that you're not Pashtun. I am pretty sure you're a Farsiwan who have learned a bit of Pashto. Especially the way you post and the statements you spread.

[Barakzai Supply]

You're speaking a brokken Pashto, you're fooling no one. I can definitely guarantee that you're not Pashtun. I am pretty sure you're a Farsiwan who have learned a bit of Pashto. Especially the way you post and the statements you spread.

Da sta kwana ki broken Pashto waghayam da kuni zoya . Sorry for my language but I get very offended when people question my Pashtunness.

I am Dil Agha Mohamadzai you can ask people in Zhari Kandahar about me. I am from the bloodline of Dost Mohammad Khan.

I AM FROM KANDAHAR. I AM SUPERIOR TO THE REST. WE RULE AFGHANISTAN.
ALL KINGS OF AFG WERE KANDAHARI. HAMID KARZAI IS KANDAHARI. GUL AGHA SHERZAI GOVERNOR OF NANGARHAR IS EVEN KANDAHARI. WE ARE THE BEST. YOU ARE THE REST.

[Firdousi]

He is definitely Tajik. He knows way to much Afghan history and politics(they're not correct, but he still knows it).

Then be my guest and find me a moderate Tajik. Not in real life, because obviously no one is going to express their true politically view, especially if they are in a opposing side. Find me someone in a platform where they are free to express themselves.

The reason it is evident that Farsiwans are hostile is due to the fact that their representative have several time expressed hostile intention in the political life, without a political back clash. Their supporters have several times made mayhem in the cities of Afghanistan.

If we wanted to split up Afghanistan we would have already done it. I mean there is nothing you guys can do to stop it. In 2014 after the massive fraude committed by Pashtuns during elections we had the perfect opportunity to made it happen. Yet we did not do it. We don't want to divide the country, we want to make it Persian. Since we are much smarter we will success. How are you going to stop it? What are you going to do? No matter how much you guys whine behind your screens. This is a unstoppable process. No one can stop it. Not even Taliban.

Prepare yourself, wrora, because we are going to carry out a huge Pro-Farsiwan campaign in Afghanistan. Little by little we will impose on you our culture. Pashtun tribalism will be gone. Don't cry about it, take it as favor. We will save you from yourselves. Once you leave your tribalism and your caveman mentality behind and become an educate Farsiwan your life quality will improve. Your grandsons will thank mine for saving them.

[Samandri]

The situation is completely different. In Pakistan the minority is falling behind in every field. Culturally, linguistically, economically, military, death in wars, educationally so their grievance can be somehow justified.

The situation is differently in Afghanistan. The majority Pashtun is the one who is falling behind due to the fact that all the war is based on Pashtun soil. The economically benefit received from the west is based in Farsiwan dominated areas. So basically Pashtuns are falling behind in military, economically, socially, linguistically, culturally, educationally. The media is run by Farsiwans as well. So basically the main benefiter in this so called state is Farsiwans, but for some odd reason Pashtuns are still hated and they have hostile intention toward them. It should be Pashtuns who are hostile because they're bombed from literally every side, so why in the world is it the other way around.

In Pakistan for some odd reason, the people are far more patriotic. So making an issue anti Pakistani, Punjabis can maintain the hostility. The issue is different in Afghanistan. The fact that you say that it is anti Afghanistan, it will just push more toward it, because they hate Afghanistan and whatever is related to it. It wasn't for nothing they wanted to remove the very fact that Afghan was written in the documents... like seriously in Afghan documents, they want to remove the word Afghan...

What I am trying to say that the hostility of Farsiwans in Afghanistan is in completely different level. I honestly can't point out a situation similar to that of Afghanistan in any historical records. I just don't understand the hostility.

This hostility of Farsibans is relatively recent or since 1747?

[Firdousi]

This hostility of Farsibans is relatively recent or since 1747?

Recent. Specially after the crimes committed by Pashtuns during abdul Rahman Khan rule, Nadir Khan, Amanullah Khan, Daoud Khan, Khalqis, Gulbuddin, Taliban and recently with Karzai and Ghani.

Ahmad Shah Abdali had many Tajik officials and generales fighting with him, after all he called himself king of Khorasan. The guy was a Persian wannabe. Thats why we like him but we will never call him "baba" as Pashtuns do. Those who have more than one baba are considered "b*stards" according Persian standards lol

[Samandri]

Recent. Specially after the crimes committed by Pashtuns during abdul Rahman Khan rule, Nadir Khan, Amanullah Khan, Daoud Khan, Khalqis, Gulbuddin, Taliban and recently with Karzai and Ghani.

Ahmad Shah Abdali had many Tajik officials and generales fighting with him, after all he called himself king of Khorasan. The guy was a Persian wannabe. Thats why we like him but we will never call him "baba" as Pashtuns do. Those who have more than one baba are considered "b*stards" according Persian standards lol

It was his son Timur Shah who gave in to degeneration of Persian life, not Ahmad Shah himself.

You are simply bullshyting , its not that Pashtuns have harmed their Tajik subjugates. Subjugates do carry some degree of resentments towards their masters. Meek always despise the one carrying sword. But in my opinion this current hostility of Tajiks, is due to civil war of 90s, and subsequent split of Northern alliance and Taliban which assumed the shape of non-pashtuns vs pashtuns even though Taliban were not exactly calling themselves representatives of Pashtun nation.