Gen Kayani, Gen Pasha ensured no resistance to US Abbottabad raid

[marwat]

Teri maa bhen coackroch. Now coming back to real topic on hand. Hamid is punjabi pathan born in Sargodha. Hamid Gul always loved Afghani pashtuns, he consider them his brothers. Same thing with Asad Durrani. But problem is these people hate non-pashtun afghanis and don't want them in Kabul.

sh1t for sale
i never knew our pathan bai of punjab have this much pain in their heart for kabuli pashtun. should not they first install pashtun dominated government in pakistan first,should not they kill all the punjabi baboon first?

[marwat]

That's what I thought. The foundation of everything you say and argue is Insurgent=ISI, if you cant back this up, then everything you have said and argued is basically rubbish. Your foundation does not even exist. That goes for people like Marwat, Toramana, the many persiofacists members, Comradepashtun(who foolishly thinks the ISI can be trusted) and others.

Mr khushal no one in right sense will reject the taliban own grievousness, but they are called pakistan proxies in a sense that they represent Pakistan interest more than their own grievousness. in a recent visit to kabul, Rizvan akhtar of ISI asked for 170 passport for quetta shura taliban leadership. does that ring some bell?
please tell us what is the relation of ISI and taliban in your mind

[tilla_jogian]

sh1t for sale
i never knew our pathan bai of punjab have this much pain in their heart for kabuli pashtun. should not they first install pashtun dominated government in pakistan first,should not they kill all the punjabi baboon first?

Pakistan is not like Afghanistan where people need to see who is dominating. In Pakistan power change from hand to hand, to different ethnic groups. Just giving you exemple of last 15 years.

Dictator urdu speaker, he made alliance with chaudhrys of Gujrat. In 2008 sindhi nationalist party is ruling country with ANP which is pashtun nationalist party.

In 2013 pan Pakistani party like PML-N won elections, and they are Kashmiris. Who knows, maybe in 2018 Imran Khan will be PM. Afghanis are primitive and hate each other based on ethnic identity. Punjabi pathans are very nationalist "Afghans" from what I know, they obviously will not care about non-"Afghans" in Afghanistan. But now establishment have decided to let anyone including Tajiks, hazaras etc rule Kabul. Fence the border and forget about what goes in Afghanistan. Now everyone in Pakistan is on the same page, forget about ethnic groups of Afghanistan. Pan Pakistani identity is taking over from top to bottom.

[khushal]

The movement’s command structure has seen profound change – partly in response to the US wiping out whole layers of the old, mid-level insurgent leadership through ‘capture-or-kill’ operations, but also because of direct interference by Pakistan’s intelligence apparatus. As of yet, the old Emirate command structure remains active in the Taleban’s southern heartland, but the east, Loya Paktia and the north have all seen the impact of Pakistani efforts to select and promote its own proxies within the Taleban, men who have been given special training and, frequently, Pakistani citizenship.

https://www.afghanistan-analysts.org/the-evolving-taleban-changes-in-the-insurgencys-dna/

You can't completely rule out paki interference and infiltration in the taliban command structure. Of course that doesn't mean taliban are all punjabis.

Not only does your article say that taliban does not equal ISI but it gives detailed evidence that the Afghan gov and NATO helps pakistan gain influence with the Taliban. So in essence, because your persiofascist leadership refuses to resolve grievances, that leadership is helping pakistan take advantage of the situation.

Do you believe that Atta Noor of Balk is Pakistani proxy?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/world/afghan-peace-efforts-reopen-wounds-over-pakistan.html

"I believe that our interests are not in tension with Pakistan." he said of the peace talks. "My policy is that we need to improve
our relations with Pakistan and the regional countries, so the mistrust is done away with."

Mr. Noor appears to be the recipient of an evolving strategy by Pakistan to diversify its investments in Afghanistan - and its key leaders.
In 2013, Mr. Noor opened a new $18 million engineering school at Balk University - construction paid for by the government of Pakistan.

He thanked the government for another $3 million in forthcoming investment for two other schools.

Now the Taliban has never said anything like that.

[khushal]

Mr khushal no one in right sense will reject the taliban own grievousness, but they are called pakistan proxies in a sense that they represent Pakistan interest more than their own grievousness.

How are they doing that?

[Al-Afghani]

Not only does your article say that taliban does not equal ISI but it gives detailed evidence that the Afghan gov and NATO helps pakistan gain influence with the Taliban. So in essence, because your persiofascist leadership refuses to resolve grievances, that leadership is helping pakistan take advantage of the situation.

Do you believe that Atta Noor of Balk is Pakistani proxy?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/wo...-pakistan.html


Now the Taliban has never said anything like that.

I never claimed all of taliban is ISI, but some elements are, just like the article says.

It doesn't make sense to blame "Persians fascists" for the taliban losing influence over their own commanders. If the taliban didn't hide their leaders in pakistani cities, then the ISI would not have the opportunity to subvert their power structure. But then they would get captured or killed by NATO. So it's a lose-lose situation either way.

[khushal]

Your persiofascist policies are self destructive. As we have witnessed events in the past year, you are losing influence in your own strongholds. Its your persiofasict leaders who are playing right into the Pakistani game plan.

[Azmal]

This is hilarious. Not only do you invent shajaraats for yourself, which per your own admission somehow link you to three different unrelated lineages (e.g. Khalid Hosseini, a Safi "concubine" that cannot be found in any records of consorts of AbduRahman, and then also Zahir Shah via Telai) and as if locked away in some fantasy world you are now intent on inventing nonexistent lineages to random girls you stalk on the net.

LOOOOL, now you are into you reality TV? Maybe they can put you on some survivor island so you can learn the skills you need to fight your own battles instead of sending white hillbillies to help and bone you and Saleh?

LOOOOL, Beghairaata Parsiwaan, Im not clicking on the links you use to whack your micro dong to. Go post your female stalking crap elsewhere.

Says the King of Tajikaam who had to invent a lineage to become Afghan LOOOOOL. Keep em coming fa-g-got, I'm having too much fun with this.

You don't get it do you? I have nothing against Wazeri doll lol, your cousin, auntie, and sisters. When your godmother Benazer aka pinky enjoys patting in rough with a Angreez, it is none of my business. What an adult woman does in private is none of my business. The problem is when Pinky unleashes Paki dogs to imprison Afghan woman inside their home. When Zia Nahaq enlists in colonial army, his wife enjoy hug with fellow Punjabi Hindu (see pic below) and yet fantasized about exporting filth of Paki Islam to Afghanistan and central Asia.

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Im going to go eat lunch and work out a bit. That will give you some disabled peoples advantage time to work up a response I can at least humor. Up till now what we discovered is you are pretty much a traitor to Afghanistan and an avowed adherent to neocon ideologies so you also bend over for Jewish militants and imperials galore. I bet a UV light would reveal a lot of different DNA trails on your face LOOOOL.

Atta boy…you enjoy the privileges of liberal democracy, you reside in belly of beast... you wear the mass-produced clothing fashioned by machines produced in the west, you drive cars invented by liberal minds, worst you are studying in one of non-Muslims university, trying to gain knowledge so you can achieve self-actualization all within liberal democracy...yet just like your founding father alcohol drinking, pork eating Ali Jenah you fantasist Talibanism/Islamist and want to reduce Pashton culture to such mindless obedience and poverty.
One hand you state explicitly “I don’t care about Afghanistan” on other hand you call people anti-Afghanistan.
The fact is you are a SOB culture-less, identities Porkistani, just like Fazal Rehman. (for those that doesn’t know It was the house of Mufti Mehmood- Fazalo father where Lawrance the British famous spy chaired a grand meeting of Mullas and planned a conspiracy against Amanullah Khan. ) The fact is it is not about morality for you and your kind, but because of your positions ex... house nigga Durrani, state clerics Fazlo and etc..you live prosperous lives on the backs of others; just like you are here in west, other Porkis elites children all come to west to take advantage of liberal democracy. I’m sure you know that those child marriages are wrong. That the inequality of women in Muslims world is wrong. Even Muhammad went to his wife for advice and support. Yet you want to keep the heritage of your position alive so your descendants will have an easy life filled with benefits from the State such as education and recognition and of course money. Could it be that you Muslim man suffer from impudence and you replace it with passionless power and control? Lack of freedom will kill the spirit of man and leave him worthless and hopeless.

[Azmal]

Not as worthless as the claim that has been preserved here for countless others regarding a nonexistent safi grandma that spawned the Zekria clan when the actual shajaraat traces back to a Lahori that Telai was canoodeling. But hey, to each his own right? Perhaps that explains your obsession with "Pathans" since by your own retarded mental entrapment you became one with the pseudo shajaraat LOL.

Here is you married to Punjo auntie vising her brown butted ex-boyfriend.

[Azmal]

Yeah because Rabbani was a "Pashtun nationalist" you handicap f-uck.

Paki mule, Rabbani and Pakistan are two face of same coin, it is no secret Papa Smurf Rabbani was doing Porkis bidding way before soviet invasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGXkUQjdgbA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGXkUQjdgbA

[Azmal]

Teri maa bhen coackroch. Now coming back to real topic on hand. Hamid is punjabi pathan born in Sargodha. Hamid Gul always loved Afghani pashtuns, he consider them his brothers. Same thing with Asad Durrani. But problem is these people hate non-pashtun afghanis and don't want them in Kabul.

Obviously this doesn't mean giving away Pakistan land to mongol sons aka tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras etc in Afghanistan. No one want that including Pakistani pashtuns.

Ghani is pashtun and our relations with Afghanistan never have been better, so there is some truth in theory of mongol sons working against Pakistan with help of India. Some say ISI helped Ghani win election, which is posible.

Edit: just watched Hamid Gul interview, he is not even proper punjabi pathan like Niazis or Kasuris who are in punjab for centuries. His father was from Swat who moved to Sargodha. His wife is pashtun, her father was from Afghanistan and mother Quetta. Both are youfzai pashtun.

The country Pakistan was created for Muslims primarily of Indian cultural background based on problems and conflicts which pertained strictly with India, Pakistani ruling class mostly decedent of Mughal administration; keeping in mind Babur view of Hindustani(east of Indus) native express in Baburi Namah, the elite try to create a connection to be nonnative. Thus there are more Qurishi, Syed and what not in Indo-Pakistan then whole Arabia. Same for those claiming being father by Afghans. Actual Pashton east of Indus makes less than 12% of Pakistan but there are more claiming to be Pashtons while not only they don’t look Afghan but even have deep inferiority complex against Afghans…example Adbul the Paki mule AKA idon’tcareaboutAfghaistan! Himingul, Gen Durrani and rest of these sob have shade a lot of Afghan blood.
As for as Ghani, you are a fool if you think he will trust you pakis, for he is a uber Afghan nationalist.

[khushal]

The country Pakistan was created for Muslims primarily of Indian cultural background based on problems and conflicts which pertained strictly with India, Pakistani ruling class mostly decedent of Mughal administration; keeping in mind Babur view of Hindustani(east of Indus) native express in Baburi Namah, the elite try to create a connection to be nonnative. Thus there are more Qurishi, Syed and what not in Indo-Pakistan then whole Arabia. Same for those claiming being father by Afghans. Actual Pashton east of Indus makes less than 12% of Pakistan but there are more claiming to be Pashtons while not only they don’t look Afghan but even have deep inferiority complex against Afghans…example Adbul the Paki mule AKA idon’tcareaboutAfghaistan! Himingul, Gen Durrani and rest of these sob have shade a lot of Afghan blood.
As for as Ghani, you are a fool if you think he will trust you pakis, for he is a uber Afghan nationalist.

An uber Afghan nationalist who is a US citizen with a Lebonese wife.

[Azmal]

I dont know why Azmal is regarded as a giant when he lacks basic education. Everyone knows that the Rise of Hitler and his war machine was set in stone at Versailles. It is very similar to the Rise of the Taliban and the Rise of ISIS. You give a group a bad deal, there is bound to be more bloodshed.

Atta boy, that’s the start, finally you admit Taliban are nothing but Pakistani Foreign Legion.

[Azmal]

An uber Afghan nationalist who is a US citizen with a Lebonese wife.

The simple reason someone who explicitly wants Afghanistan to recognize Durand line is against him makes him ultimate Afghan nationalist. If only you Pakis were Muslim you would know that in Islam a Muslim man can marry a Christian woman, but a Muslim woman can not marry people of book or idiol worshiper—like Ali Jenah daughter did.

[Azmal]

LOL. Hardly my hero. Only a fool would have assumed that a "democratically elected goverment" in a military state that drinks the milk from super power "meme-te" would flourish. It was like walking toward a pointed gun.

Nonetheless, the one useful thing he did was expose the fact that your "secular" "democratic" leanings in those regions translates into a bunch of lower caste, non sunni se-x ad-dicts and alcoholics creating secular political parties to subvert the will of the majorities when they lose elections.

Amusement, lol, not rage. Now you and Azmal D-ick can go back to deciding which caucasoid power is more worth kow-towing to and provides more perks post the aggressive fellatio your ilk are willing to engage in.

What I find truly absurd however is in your ability to call for “will of the majorities”, while you make no mention of your beloved islamist behavior in response. In fact you completely condone their shameless imposing theocracy on people, in spite of the clear betrayal of their faith manifested in their behavior. Do you ever ask yourself about islamist sense of responsibility? The fact is super power had allowed the will of majority to utilized, until Muslim brotherhood just like hypocrite terrorist start to impose theocracy; resulted in killing of hundreds of Christian Egyptians. Morsi even announced his intention to agitate for the release terrorist master mind of 1993 world trade center bombing Omar Abdel-Rahman from U.S. custody. I guess it’s perfectly ok for Muslim leaders to deny their citizens their liberties and for Muslims in Islam’s name to engage in the heinous crimes around the globe as long as they have “will of the majorities.” Hitler too comes to power within will of majority of Germans. No wonder Muslims in general have proven themselves robotic automatons on the ready to go whacko at any stimulus they find offensive. This is particularly true as those leading the violence would use this as propaganda for more recruits to their cause. It is a fact that free men created by god, have over the centuries been indoctrinated as willing slaves to anyone powerful enough to shame them in the name of whatever draconian Islam they’ve sought to legitimize there rule. Past monarchs in Muslim societies had recognized this and thus ensured their ongoing association with the Mullahs if only to legitimize their rule. What I find amusing is you are evidently incapable of reconciling your lament for "democratically elected government” to your lamentation for Mullah Omar’s defunct Talib state. Please explain the compromise between these two obvious contradictions.