Gen Kayani, Gen Pasha ensured no resistance to US Abbottabad raid

[marwat]

1) The raid was planned by the Americans with full knowledge and cooperation of the Pakistan Army and ISI, then headed by General Kayani and General Pasha.

2) Bin Laden had been a prisoner of the ISI at the Abbottabad compound since 2006.

3) A Pakistani ISI officer had walked into the US Embassy in Islamabad and revealed the presence of Osama in Abbottabad and had claimed a reward of $25 million. “The informant and his family were smuggled out of Pakistan and relocated in the Washington area. He is now a consultant for the CIA,” he claims.


4) "The truth is that bin Laden was an invalid"

5) It didn’t take long [for the US] to get the cooperation [they] needed, because the Pakistanis wanted to ensure the continued release of American military aid, a good percentage of which was anti-terrorism funding.

6) "The ISI was using bin Laden as leverage against Taliban and al-Qaeda activities inside Afghanistan and Pakistan. They let the Taliban and al-Qaeda leadership know that if they ran operations that clashed with the interests of the ISI, they would turn bin Laden over to US."

7) According to Hersh, “Pasha and Kayani were responsible for ensuring that Pakistan’s Army and air defence command would not track or engage with the US helicopters used on the mission

8) the killing of bin Laden would not be made public for as long as seven days, maybe longer. Then a carefully constructed cover story would be issued: Obama would announce that DNA analysis confirmed that bin Laden had been killed in a drone raid in the Hindu Kush, on Afghanistan’s side of the border. [Because] bin Laden was considered a hero by many Pakistanis – and Pasha and Kayani and their families would be in danger, and the Pakistani Army publicly disgraced.”
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...bbottabad-raid

[Toramana]

"While US officials say they found bin Laden by tracking his trusted courier, Hersh says they discovered his whereabouts from a former Pakistani intelligence officer who wanted the $25 million reward the US was offering."


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/seymo...#ixzz3ZpcvPVN9

[Toramana]

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

The Killing of Osama bin Laden
Seymour M. Hersh

It’s been four years since a group of US Navy Seals assassinated Osama bin Laden in a night raid on a high-walled compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The killing was the high point of Obama’s first term, and a major factor in his re-election. The White House still maintains that the mission was an all-American affair, and that the senior generals of Pakistan’s army and Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) were not told of the raid in advance. This is false, as are many other elements of the Obama administration’s account. The White House’s story

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

But if so,why is the WASHINGTON still not angry on Pakistan.

Instead they are now into a competition with china for investing in Pakistan

ISLAMABAD:
In the recent energy talks between Pakistan and the United States, a key thing that became apparent was that Washington was desirous of reshaping its relations with Islamabad in the wake of extensive Chinese influence and investment of billions of dollars to give a push to Pakistan’s economy.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/884087/competition-intensifies-us-seeks-to-reshape-ties-as-chinese-influence-grows/

Jar Pakistana mazay de wakri

[Toramana]

Pakistani Asset Helped in Hunt for Bin Laden, Sources Say

BY MATTHEW COLE, RICHARD ESPOSITO, ROBERT WINDREM AND ANDREA MITCHELL
Editor's Note: This story has been updated since it was first published. The original version of this story said that a Pakistani asset told the U.S. where bin Laden was hiding. Sources say that while the asset provided information vital to the hunt for bin Laden, he was not the source of his whereabouts.

Intelligence sources tell NBC News that in the year before the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, a retired Pakistani military intelligence officer helped the CIA track him down.

While the Pakistani intelligence asset provided vital information in the hunt for bin Laden, he did not provide the location of the al Qaeda leader's Abottabad, Pakistan compound, sources said.

Three sources also said that some officials in the Pakistani government knew where bin Laden was hiding all along.

The asset was evacuated from Pakistan and paid reward money by the CIA, sources said. U.S. officials took pains to note he was one of many sources who provided help along the way, and said that the al Qaeda courier who unwittingly led them to bin Laden, Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, remained the linchpin of the operation.

The U.S. government has always characterized the heroic raid by Seal Team Six that killed bin Laden as a unilateral U.S. operation, and has maintained that the CIA found him by tracking the courier.

The new revelations do not cast doubt on the overall narrative that the White House began circulating within hours of the May 2011 operation. The official story about how bin Laden was found was constructed in a way that protected the identity and existence of the asset, who also knew who inside the Pakistani government was aware of the Pakistani intelligence agency's operation to hide bin Laden, according to a special operations officer with prior knowledge of the bin Laden mission.

While NBC News has long been pursuing leads about a "walk in" intelligence asset and about what Pakistani intelligence knew, both assertions were made public in a London Review of Books article by investigative reporter Seymour Hersh. Hersh's story, published over the weekend, raises numerous questions about the White House account of the SEAL operation. It has been strongly disputed both on and off the record by the Obama administration and current and former national security officials.

The Hersh story says that a "walk in" asset, a former Pakistani military intelligence official, contacted U.S. authorities in 2010 and told them bin Laden was hiding in Abbottabad; that elements of ISI, the Pakistani intelligence agency, knew of bin Laden's whereabouts; and that the U.S. told the Pakistanis about the bin Laden raid before it launched. The U.S. has maintained that it did not tell the Pakistani government about the raid before it launched.

On Monday, Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren called Hersh's piece "largely a fabrication" and said there were "too many inaccuracies" to detail each one. Col Warren said the raid to kill bin Laden was a "unilateral action." Both the National Security Council and the Pentagon denied that Pakistan had played any role in the raid.

"The notion that the operation that killed Osama Bin Laden was anything but a unilateral U.S. mission is patently false," said NSC spokesman Ned Price. "As we said at the time, knowledge of this operation was confined to a very small circle of senior U.S. officials."

Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, dismissed Hersh's account. "I simply have never heard of anything like this and I've been briefed several times," said McCain, R.-Arizona. "This was a great success on the part of the administration and something that we all admire the president's decision to do. "

The NBC News sources who confirm that a former Pakistani military intelligence official became a U.S. intelligence asset include a special operations officer and a CIA officer who had served in Pakistan. These two sources and a third source, a very senior former U.S. intelligence official, also say that elements of the ISI were aware of bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad. The former official was emphatic about the ISI's awareness, saying twice, "They knew."

Another top official acknowledged to NBC News that the U.S. government had long harbored "deep suspicions" that ISI and al Qaeda were "cooperating." And a book by former acting CIA director Mike Morrell that will be published tomorrow says that U.S. officials could not dismiss the possibility of such cooperation.

None of the sources characterized how high up in ISI the knowledge might have gone. Said one former senior official, "We were suspicious that someone inside ISI … knew where bin Laden was, but we did not have intelligence about specific individuals having specific knowledge."

Multiple U.S. officials, however, denied or cast doubt on the assertion that the U.S. told the Pakistanis about the bin Laden raid ahead of time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakistanis-knew-where-bin-laden-was-say-us-sources-n357306

[Azmal]

Pakistani Asset Helped in Hunt for Bin Laden, Sources Say

BY MATTHEW COLE, RICHARD ESPOSITO, ROBERT WINDREM AND ANDREA MITCHELL
Editor's Note: This story has been updated since it was first published. The original version of this story said that a Pakistani asset told the U.S. where bin Laden was hiding. Sources say that while the asset provided information vital to the hunt for bin Laden, he was not the source of his whereabouts.

Intelligence sources tell NBC News that in the year before the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, a retired Pakistani military intelligence officer helped the CIA track him down.

While the Pakistani intelligence asset provided vital information in the hunt for bin Laden, he did not provide the location of the al Qaeda leader's Abottabad, Pakistan compound, sources said.

Three sources also said that some officials in the Pakistani government knew where bin Laden was hiding all along.

The asset was evacuated from Pakistan and paid reward money by the CIA, sources said. U.S. officials took pains to note he was one of many sources who provided help along the way, and said that the al Qaeda courier who unwittingly led them to bin Laden, Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, remained the linchpin of the operation.

The U.S. government has always characterized the heroic raid by Seal Team Six that killed bin Laden as a unilateral U.S. operation, and has maintained that the CIA found him by tracking the courier.

The new revelations do not cast doubt on the overall narrative that the White House began circulating within hours of the May 2011 operation. The official story about how bin Laden was found was constructed in a way that protected the identity and existence of the asset, who also knew who inside the Pakistani government was aware of the Pakistani intelligence agency's operation to hide bin Laden, according to a special operations officer with prior knowledge of the bin Laden mission.

While NBC News has long been pursuing leads about a "walk in" intelligence asset and about what Pakistani intelligence knew, both assertions were made public in a London Review of Books article by investigative reporter Seymour Hersh. Hersh's story, published over the weekend, raises numerous questions about the White House account of the SEAL operation. It has been strongly disputed both on and off the record by the Obama administration and current and former national security officials.

The Hersh story says that a "walk in" asset, a former Pakistani military intelligence official, contacted U.S. authorities in 2010 and told them bin Laden was hiding in Abbottabad; that elements of ISI, the Pakistani intelligence agency, knew of bin Laden's whereabouts; and that the U.S. told the Pakistanis about the bin Laden raid before it launched. The U.S. has maintained that it did not tell the Pakistani government about the raid before it launched.

On Monday, Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren called Hersh's piece "largely a fabrication" and said there were "too many inaccuracies" to detail each one. Col Warren said the raid to kill bin Laden was a "unilateral action." Both the National Security Council and the Pentagon denied that Pakistan had played any role in the raid.

"The notion that the operation that killed Osama Bin Laden was anything but a unilateral U.S. mission is patently false," said NSC spokesman Ned Price. "As we said at the time, knowledge of this operation was confined to a very small circle of senior U.S. officials."

Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, dismissed Hersh's account. "I simply have never heard of anything like this and I've been briefed several times," said McCain, R.-Arizona. "This was a great success on the part of the administration and something that we all admire the president's decision to do. "

The NBC News sources who confirm that a former Pakistani military intelligence official became a U.S. intelligence asset include a special operations officer and a CIA officer who had served in Pakistan. These two sources and a third source, a very senior former U.S. intelligence official, also say that elements of the ISI were aware of bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad. The former official was emphatic about the ISI's awareness, saying twice, "They knew."

Another top official acknowledged to NBC News that the U.S. government had long harbored "deep suspicions" that ISI and al Qaeda were "cooperating." And a book by former acting CIA director Mike Morrell that will be published tomorrow says that U.S. officials could not dismiss the possibility of such cooperation.

None of the sources characterized how high up in ISI the knowledge might have gone. Said one former senior official, "We were suspicious that someone inside ISI … knew where bin Laden was, but we did not have intelligence about specific individuals having specific knowledge."

Multiple U.S. officials, however, denied or cast doubt on the assertion that the U.S. told the Pakistanis about the bin Laden raid ahead of time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pa...ources-n357306

Question is why the news is coming out now? What is cooking behind the scene? Americans are pressuring Pakis? Mind you these news collaborate with what Asad Durrani(Abdul de talking mule Chacha jee) been saying and its obvious he is talking as mouthpiece of ISI. What is Pakis gaining from this? In my opinion this war is about management of islamist that supposed to be unleashed on central Asia. Looks like Kabul has won the management deal and Pakis feel betrayed.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Question is why the news is coming out now? What is cooking behind the scene? Americans are pressuring Pakis? Mind you these news collaborate with what Asad Durrani(Abdul de talking mule Chacha jee) been saying and its obvious he is talking as mouthpiece of ISI. What is Pakis gaining from this? In my opinion this war is about management of islamist that supposed to be unleashed on central Asia. Looks like Kabul has won the management deal and Pakis feel betrayed.

LOOOOL. Looks like you want another round of a-s-s kicking. Like a floating piece of stool, you resurfaced - only to need a reflushing.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...sardar+zakaria

That would have been an entertaining comment had it not emanated from a stinking persianoid pile of feces (namely yourself) who somehow all in one day claimd to be the wad shot by Khalid Hosseini into the vag-inal vault of Zahir Shah and then piled up his idiocy ontop of this by claiming that Telai and AbduRahman reverse copulated and found a slave to serve as the surrogate.

Let's see your newest crypto Persianoid commentary that pretty much gives away your flat head mongoloid roots:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...=34123&page=11

Shamlawar Khurasani proves Islam is nothing but Arab imperialism. You have to change your name to Arabic (Islamic) name, celebrate only Arab cultural holiday(most of then carried from per-Islamic tradition) and adopt Arabic language because it is language of Qorhan. If you don’t then you are polytheists.

Classic Persian nationalist Tajikaam style Arab conspiracy theory mental diarrhea regarding Islam- you atheist f$%^&.

Learn to spell words correctly so that your roots aren't exposed so obviously.

[marwat]

LOOOOL. Looks like you want another round of a-s-s kicking. Like a floating piece of stool, you resurfaced - only to need a reflushing.

Salam Barakzai how are you, hope you are not going to resurface your old enmity with azmal.

i don't give a **** about afghanistan

you still think like that our american friendo

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Salam Barakzai how are you, hope you are not going to resurface your old enmity with azmal.

I never initiate hostilities. If the parasite throws out a barb, I answer in kind and make sure he knows his canine lineage(refer to his comments above).

you still think like that our american friendo

Yes. Caring in the heart and serving a people through civil service is fine. However, an immigrant to a new land ought not force a people unlettered in his native culture/local conflicts into fighting his wars for him. This applies to Ukranians, Georgians, Afghans, Libyans etc. Its an immoral position to use and abuse others for another's end or to intervene in the affairs of others as an imperial superpower.

The best and most moral position an American Muslim and a Pashtun can take is voting for and canvasing for Dr. Paul and others like him (noninterventionalist) who want to make Azmal and his donkey ilk go fight their own battles abroad for his slopehead colleague Saleh instead of sending others and dropping munitions and cluster bombs etc. or arming one ethnicity to make war on another for secondary gain (e.g. Ukrain Kiev vs the Russian ethnicity).

Therefore, politically one need not give a $%&^& about Saudi, Israel, Palestine, Africa, Russia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. because noninterventionalism will permit the mettling hand(s) to be pulled out of the region. That in turn would be the greatest gift one could give to their native people. It is the highest form of caring in the heart, i.e. letting go of one's own machinations and designs for a region so that the locals can find their own way.

Being a brown race Kipling and thinking that we know what is best by force and fiat at the barrell end of a gun for that region is stupid at best and criminal at worst.

But Persianoid mongrels like Azmal are too eager for white man fallus to hold themselves back.

x

[Al-Afghani]

Yes, it's the dream of every islamofascist to have a middle east free of western interventionism so that they can kill ethnic and religious minorities to their heart's content.

[Yousufzai]

Yes, it's the dream of every islamofascist to have a middle east free of western interventionism so that they can kill ethnic and religious minorities to their heart's content.

It's usually Western intervention that leads to more chaos and religious violence. Look at Iraq. It was a repressed society ruled by a terrible dictator but religious extremism just wasn't an issue until the Americans invaded and destroyed the country. It was during the occupation that we saw sectarian conflict and Iraq's shift to becoming a major center for international terrorism. And ISIS was also a product of the Iraq war. And It's pretty much the same story with Libya and Syria now. In fact, I'm sure you'll agree it's the same for Pashtuns and other Pakistanis and Afghans too. Western imperialism in the '80s played a large part in creating the mess we're in right now.

So if you're really a secularist who wants to see progressive and developed societies, literally the last thing you ought to be doing is defending imperialism.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Yes, it's the dream of every islamofascist to have a middle east free of western interventionism so that they can kill ethnic and religious minorities to their heart's content.

Nah, unlikely... most of the time the ethnic cleansing begins post interventionalism. Your sentiment is merely the sales pitch of a mongoloid Hazara Persiofascist mindset, who would have bought it on himself.

But better minds have commented on the matter:

"Podhoretz is big on pinning the Islamofascist label on our Islamist enemies. The phrase has nothing to do with reality, of course, as the Islamists are far from fascists..." Michael Scheuer

http://www.antiwar.com/scheuer/?articleid=11670

Hmmm, let me think about it... whose opinion carries more weight - a renowned analyst whose work is spot on time after time and Georgetown Professor or a Hazara/Persiofascist named Al Afghani... ? I think we all know the answer to that.

[Azmal]

LOOOOL. Looks like you want another round of a-s-s kicking. Like a floating piece of stool, you resurfaced - only to need a reflushing.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...sardar+zakaria

That would have been an entertaining comment had it not emanated from a stinking persianoid pile of feces (namely yourself) who somehow all in one day claimd to be the wad shot by Khalid Hosseini into the vag-inal vault of Zahir Shah and then piled up his idiocy ontop of this by claiming that Telai and AbduRahman reverse copulated and found a slave to serve as the surrogate.

Let's see your newest crypto Persianoid commentary that pretty much gives away your flat head mongoloid roots:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...=34123&page=11

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Classic Persian nationalist Tajikaam style Arab conspiracy theory mental diarrhea regarding Islam- you atheist f$%^&.

Learn to spell words correctly so that your roots aren't exposed so obviously.

Ahahah the more you curse the more I get validation how much my insertion hurts you. Make no mistake Paki mule; I had never taken anything you say serious because I know for a fact what you say corresponds well with paki ruling junta and their verbal masturbation. Pathans like youself first served the "white masters" but when the situation changed due to partition, the overlordship shifted to "brown masters" and now few more Pashans were humiliatingly coopted as "junior partners"; whereas the common Pashtuns, Baluchis, and Sindhis suffered immensely due to the unstainable lust and excessive exploitation of the parasitic Punjabi civil-military bureaucracy with a sprinkling of few Pashtuns here and there in "subservient position."
As for as Islam, one can either be a mullah or a nationalist, not both. So what is it baby? Spite or swallow? If you are nationalist then how pan-Islam and political Islam could make an appeal to Pashtun nationalist sentiments? You admitted that you don’t give a f about Afghanistan---so here goes your claim to nationalism and claim to Afghaness. What you say corresponding well with what your sister’s hubby Micheal Sample was saying.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7171205.stm
Micheal Sample who was expelled from Afghanistan on espionage charges was married to the daughter of a Punjabi General, spoke fluent Dari and Urdu, and was very averse to Pashtuns. He was kind of another Churchill. Using Islam and Islamic identity to neutralize/marginally Pashtun nationalism and dilute Pashtun identity for sake of your Punjabistan.
The question is why Pashtun land to be experiments?...Those who want to adopt Sharia should apply it to them personally. Just like Ali Zenah who was enjoying alchol and eating pork while fantasizing about Islamic nation. Ahhaha suck to be a Paki. You want Taliban, and then at least try to live your life according to Taliban interputation of Islam. You enjoy western freedom, allow “Wazeri doll” LOL to mangle with NahMahram male and get education, yet you want Pashton woman be imprisoned inside home and keep uneducated by your Taliban. Worst your auntie Taminah Durrani was performing fellatio on Abdul Sattar Edhi and is now enjoying Punjo Sharif, while your Punjo society still live under hindu social structure—rape of Mukhtar Mai, and government gets tax on brothels like Hari Mandi and yet you rascal want to impose dark forces ignorance Taliban on Afghans?

[Azmal]

It's usually Western intervention that leads to more chaos and religious violence. Look at Iraq. It was a repressed society ruled by a terrible dictator but religious extremism just wasn't an issue until the Americans invaded and destroyed the country. It was during the occupation that we saw sectarian conflict and Iraq's shift to becoming a major center for international terrorism. And ISIS was also a product of the Iraq war. And It's pretty much the same story with Libya and Syria now. In fact, I'm sure you'll agree it's the same for Pashtuns and other Pakistanis and Afghans too. Western imperialism in the '80s played a large part in creating the mess we're in right now.

So if you're really a secularist who wants to see progressive and developed societies, literally the last thing you ought to be doing is defending imperialism.

Ethnic violence got worst after US invasion of Iraq, but the reason for violence was always there. Saddam had gas the kurds and killed thousands of innocent people way before US invasion. Shia vs suni is not an American creation either; although west did exploit the divide for their own end. As for Muslim fraternity, 3 million Bengalis slaughtered and 0.4 million sisters in Islam raped by NaPak army... while at the same token Napak army were/are fantasizing about Islamic state in Afghanistan.



"But Zia-ul-Haq had his own way of “befriending” the Afghans. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan came in handy. In The International Herald Tribune of November 14, 1988, columnist Selig S. Harrison records his interview with Zia-ul-Haq, at Islamabad. This took place three days before the fatal Bhawalpur aircrash of August 17, 1988. Zia told Harrison: “By helping you (America) as a front-line state, we have earned the right to have a friendly regime in Kabul. We won’t permit it like it was before with Indian and Soviet influence and claims on our territory. It will be a real Islamic state, part of the pan-Islamic revival that will one day win over the Muslims in the Soviet Union, you will see"
http://www.dawn.com/2001/12/17/letted.htm

I have not seen a single Mullah of note has thus far raised a voice of protest or concern against this oppressive treatment of the fellow Muslim brothers... so much for Muslim brotherhood.

[Azmal]

x

You quote yourself so I would think you are quoting someone. lol Your argument for noninterventionist only servers you real sweethearts Pakis. As the saying goes when cat is busy/ away rats will have a party. Historian believe the reason China a great civilization, inventor of dynamite and modern gun were colonized and abused by European was their Isolationism and inward-looking culture. The China isolationism is reason for Great Wall of China to prevent Mongol but still did not prevent the Mongols from raiding or the Manchus from successfully invading. The fact is no country is an Island; the only way to maintain power and influences is to project it. As Bret Stephens puts it in America in Retreat: The New Isolationism and the Coming Global Disorder. “A world in which the leading liberal-democratic nation does not assume its role as world policeman will become a world in which dictatorships contend, or unite, to fill the breach. Americans seeking a return to an isolationist garden of Eden - alone and undisturbed in the world, knowing neither good nor evil - will soon find themselves living within shooting range of global pandemonium.”


PS:We have seen what you Pakis were capable when American left after Soviet withdraws.