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  • #61
    Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
    Since you couldn't bring the slightest evidence regarding the genetic, even though you claimed every genetic test proven that and even go as far and say that it was scientific proven, lol. We can only assume that it is your Dravidian nationalism talking and your word isn't based on logic or facts.

    Since we now have settled the genetic issue, let's head to your cultural claim. So let me ask you; What is south asian ''culture''.
    To make the discussion more interesting. Go ahead and tell me what is arab culture as well.

    Funny thing is that we got Friends of Baloch, who think he suddenly knows everything about Bangladesh after watching 20 min video and Karachi, who invent imaginary genetic tests.

    Don't get me wrong guys. I am not claiming anything regarding their ancestors. Whoever were their ancestors isn't my business, but I certainly do mind when people fabricate facts to suit their fascist agenda.

    check out bengalis. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...WZzNBMEE#gid=0

    ^ the first set of 11 people are muslim bengalis, all of them are similar to their hindu counter parts in genetics. Even look at punjabi muslim,sikh,hindu punjabi samples. all are very similar genetically

    heck you dont even need genetics to prove how similar they are, just look at them

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    • #62
      Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
      People from Indus valley civilization are either all dead or migrated somewhere else. The people who are today in Pakistan came thousands of years after the Indus valley civilization and haven't even the slightest relation to the ancient civilization.

      If you're a Pashtun, then you're an east iranian, and if you speak Pashto, then you're speaking an east iranian language. If you live in Pashtunkhwa or Balochistan, then you live in the Iranian plateau.

      If it is any civilization that Pashtuns have claim over. It is the ancient Persian civilization.
      i am speaking on the behalf of majority of the pakistanis,which as karachi said does had the notion of being foriegn to the region but this is all false and thank God majority of them has already decided that they are indigenous to the territory of modern pakistan than arab or central asia.

      Also pashtuns are merged with iranic people just because of the iranic language otherwise we are different.

      Sorry but we don't have any claim over persian history,not even the kurds living in iran or the azeri has anything to do with persian history.

      Peshawar is considered to be among the oldest cities/sites on earth(I believe in the top 15) and is part of ancient Pashtunistan.Which confirms that pashtuns history is as older as persians or indus valley or even better

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
        i am speaking on the behalf of majority of the pakistanis,which as karachi said does had the notion of being foriegn to the region but this is all false and thank God majority of them has already decided that they are indigenous to the territory of modern pakistan than arab or central asia.

        Also pashtuns are merged with iranic people just because of the iranic language otherwise we are different.

        Sorry but we don't have any claim over persian history,not even the kurds living in iran or the azeri has anything to do with persian history.

        Peshawar is considered to be among the oldest cities/sites on earth(I believe in the top 15) and is part of ancient Pashtunistan.Which confirms that pashtuns history is as older as persians or indus valley or even better

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ous_habitation
        Peshawar is not originally Pashtun city. Pashtuns only migrated there and conquered the lower areas of Pakthunkhwa much later in history. Origin of Pashtuns is Sulaiman range.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
          Peshawar is not originally Pashtun city. Pashtuns only migrated there and conquered the lower areas of Pakthunkhwa much later in history. Origin of Pashtuns is Sulaiman range.
          Peshawar is part of the ancient pashtunistan.For centuries peshawar is associated with pashtuns and today we hold the patents of anything out of peshawar,the rest doesn't matter

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
            No they dont. They are exactly the same thing and look just like each other.
            How can you know better than me. A Baloch looks like a Sindhi ora Punjabi to me.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
              Pakthunkhwa isnt part of the Iranian plateau, it straddles the Eurasian plate and Indian subcontinent. So it overlaps both.




              lol, you literally searched ''Iranian plateau'' on google and picked the first picture. I took the time to find the source of the 'map' and guess where it is from, from paint!

              Indian plate contains only a small part of kohistan district from Pashtunkhwa province and no more. The rest is under Iranian plateau.

              This is false.
              wow, I cant argue with this well backed and well sourced statement. You must be an academician.
              Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

              People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

              ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
              Ronald Reagan

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

              Pashto dictionary:
              http://thepashto.com/index.php

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                check out bengalis. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...WZzNBMEE#gid=0

                ^ the first set of 11 people are muslim bengalis, all of them are similar to their hindu counter parts in genetics. Even look at punjabi muslim,sikh,hindu punjabi samples. all are very similar genetically

                heck you dont even need genetics to prove how similar they are, just look at them
                The sample size is way to small to even be considered 'scientific'. This is at best a hobby.
                Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

                People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

                ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
                Ronald Reagan

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

                Pashto dictionary:
                http://thepashto.com/index.php

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                  i am speaking on the behalf of majority of the pakistanis,which as karachi said does had the notion of being foriegn to the region but this is all false and thank God majority of them has already decided that they are indigenous to the territory of modern pakistan than arab or central asia.

                  Also pashtuns are merged with iranic people just because of the iranic language otherwise we are different.

                  Sorry but we don't have any claim over persian history,not even the kurds living in iran or the azeri has anything to do with persian history.

                  Peshawar is considered to be among the oldest cities/sites on earth(I believe in the top 15) and is part of ancient Pashtunistan.Which confirms that pashtuns history is as older as persians or indus valley or even better

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ous_habitation

                  Your problem is that you base people according to the geographic location. Cities can be thousand years old, but the people currently living there don't necessary have been there for the same amount of time. It is a well known fact that the people from Indus valley civilization is no longer present. The only thing historians discuss regarding them is the fact how they disappeared, but the fact that they no longer present is a well established fact all of them agree on.

                  We are not Iranians as from Iran, but Iranic people. To be more precise eastern Iranic. Same goes for our language Pashto an eastern Iranian language. Don't get me wrong, we're still a separate ethnicity with separate culture. Similar to Germanic people, which includes Danes, Swedes, Germans, Dutch, Norwegians etc.
                  Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

                  People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

                  ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
                  Ronald Reagan

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

                  Pashto dictionary:
                  http://thepashto.com/index.php

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                    Peshawar is part of the ancient pashtunistan.
                    Peshawar has changed hands many times in history. Original inhabitants were Indians. Arrian writing biography of Alexander wrote a book called the Indica which talks of oracles, Brahmin priests and black skinned people living in the region that today is east of Khyber pass and west of Indus. Pashtuns came to Peshawar much later.

                    Remnants of original Indian population of this region were named by Pashtuns as Hindkowan. Hindkowan is the Pashto word for the Indian natives of Peshawar and surrounding regions.

                    Originally posted by asad71 View Post
                    How can you know better than me. A Baloch looks like a Sindhi ora Punjabi to me.
                    Because you are a liar and talking nonsense. Bangali Muslim is convert from Bangali Hindu nothing more.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
                      lol, you literally searched ''Iranian plateau'' on google and picked the first picture. I took the time to find the source of the 'map' and guess where it is from, from paint!

                      Indian plate contains only a small part of kohistan district from Pashtunkhwa province and no more. The rest is under Iranian plateau.
                      Stop talking rubbish. You can very easily see that half of Pakhtunkhwa is not part of the Iranian plateau but is part of lowland Indian subcontinent.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
                        The sample size is way to small to even be considered 'scientific'. This is at best a hobby.
                        so?? it gives you an idea of what I am saying is correct, specially since muslim bengalis exactly look like hindu bengalis. If muslim bengalis looked like arabs, turks, central asians, then I wouldn't even argue

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
                          Stop talking rubbish. You can very easily see that half of Pakhtunkhwa is not part of the Iranian plateau but is part of lowland Indian subcontinent.
                          Dude stop spamming with maps. If you took time to read a book or two regarding geography, you will know that Indian plate only includes a part of kohistan district.
                          Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

                          People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

                          ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
                          Ronald Reagan

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

                          Pashto dictionary:
                          http://thepashto.com/index.php

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by asad71 View Post
                            How can you know better than me. A Baloch looks like a Sindhi ora Punjabi to me.
                            Punjabis look very different from baloch and pashtuns on average. Some Sindhis (25%) I think have mixed with Baloch tribes, so maybe they look similar, I dont know. But the original Sindhis resemble Gujaraties and other western Indians

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                              Ignore Ghumbasa.

                              He is a racist Pakistani Pathan who is anti-Bengali. Probably has friends in the Pakistan army or served in it for some time hence that's why he is so anti-Afghan and anti-Baloch as well.

                              He is also a bare-faced liar and lies unashamedly, saying outright lies e.g. Bangladesh is getting poorer when it like many other countries in Asia is consistently reducing its levels of poverty and increasing its HDI (Human Development Index).

                              Best just to ignore Pakistani Pathans like Jankhan, Shebaz Khan, Ghumbasa and other "dil dil Pakistan" Pathans.

                              Everyone else, please let's not degenerate this thread to another weekly skin-colour, origin-of-race thread, there are millions of them on Pashtun forum.

                              This is about Narendra Modi and his more robust attitude towards the Pakistani military and its adventurism in Kashmir.
                              Well...says the one whose hypocrisy is as bright as a day.I am out for few days and here comes your accusations and slandering...racist comments and a due hard nationalist himself while calling others army followers.

                              I would say ...since i ve seen the messages and threads lately...you are pretty much successful in sparking the genes and racist comments or ethnicities discussions.So where is your islam eh?
                              Are you going to say your ideal is this killer modi? Any shame left being a muslim? Or a human? What we pakistanis do shouldnt be your problem..stick to your country that has problems far more than ours.
                              sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

                              And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                                so?? it gives you an idea of what I am saying is correct, specially since muslim bengalis exactly look like hindu bengalis. If muslim bengalis looked like arabs, turks, central asians, then I wouldn't even argue
                                The problem is that it doesn't give a general idea with such a small sample. The whole point of having a large sample in science is the fact to get the general idea. A small sample is nothing but randomness, which have no scientific significance.
                                Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

                                People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

                                ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
                                Ronald Reagan

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

                                Pashto dictionary:
                                http://thepashto.com/index.php

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