Pakistan has been taught a 'befitting lesson', PM Narendra Modi says

[Bengal_Tiger]

We Bengalis never had any issues with Afghan-Pashtuns. Our earliest rulers were Turkic Afghans who settled down here. We consider them our forefathers. Sher Shah was our emperor and hero. The Afghan-Pashtuns fought the Mughal-Uzbeks from this territory till Emperor Aurangzeb ascended the throne and declared the realm Islamic. Even in pre-71 Pakistan Bengalis and Pashtuns got on well at all levels.

Ignore Ghumbasa.

He is a racist Pakistani Pathan who is anti-Bengali. Probably has friends in the Pakistan army or served in it for some time hence that's why he is so anti-Afghan and anti-Baloch as well.

He is also a bare-faced liar and lies unashamedly, saying outright lies e.g. Bangladesh is getting poorer when it like many other countries in Asia is consistently reducing its levels of poverty and increasing its HDI (Human Development Index).

Best just to ignore Pakistani Pathans like Jankhan, Shebaz Khan, Ghumbasa and other "dil dil Pakistan" Pathans.

Everyone else, please let's not degenerate this thread to another weekly skin-colour, origin-of-race thread, there are millions of them on Pashtun forum.

This is about Narendra Modi and his more robust attitude towards the Pakistani military and its adventurism in Kashmir.

[asad71]

Then why do muslim bengalis looks exactly the same as hindu bengalis?, why are your genetics exactly the same, as proven by science?

Muslims in the subcontinent are a completely delusional and a confused people, it's actually not just punjabis, but pretty much every muslim group in south asia. even the darkest of tamil muslim will think he is a arab or iranian. What shameful people you bunch are

1.Mind your language, please. We were the power base of Syed Ahmed Shaheed while fighting the Sikhs and English in the Hindu Kush region. It was the Bengal Army that had rebelled against the English in 1857, while the soldiers of Punjab and Frontier aided the English. Pakistan, meaning separate home lands for Muslims, was our project which was opposed by the present Pakistanis. We are the only people in SA who fought for its freedom. Rarely is their an instance of more sacrifice made by a people to achieve independence.

2. Hindu Bengalis look different, dress differently, eat different, have even a variance in language. Their physical structure is smaller. But thats not the point, because weare not racists here.

[Dhillon]

Then why do muslim bengalis looks exactly the same as hindu bengalis?, why are your genetics exactly the same, as proven by science?

Muslims in the subcontinent are a completely delusional and a confused people, it's actually not just punjabis, but pretty much every muslim group in south asia. even the darkest of tamil muslim will think he is a arab or iranian. What shameful people you bunch are

Some Muslim Bengalis may have Iranian/Afghan heritage but I very much doubt whether it would be anything more than 25% at the very most.

[Karachi]

1.Mind your language, please. We were the power base of Syed Ahmed Shaheed while fighting the Sikhs and English in the Hindu Kush region. It was the Bengal Army that had rebelled against the English in 1857, while the soldiers of Punjab and Frontier aided the English. Pakistan, meaning separate home lands for Muslims, was our project which was opposed by the present Pakistanis. We are the only people in SA who fought for its freedom. Rarely is their an instance of more sacrifice made by a people to achieve independence.

2. Hindu Bengalis look different, dress differently, eat different, have even a variance in language. Their physical structure is smaller. But thats not the point, because weare not racists here.

I agree with your Bengali history, however why call yourselves anything else? do you think you are arab, iranian or turk, will you fit there better there then in Bengal? The fact of the matter is, it is only very few 1-2% subcontinent people that have any links from outside. Rest of us are from the subcontinent, it is 99% likely that our ancestors were hindus/buddhists, not arab, iranian or Turk

Also how are hindu bengalis different from muslims ones? same way muslim punjabis are not different from hindu punjabis. It is Islamic propaganda that has been shoved down our throats by the mullahs in south asia. They hate the hindus and non believers, so they want to claim that we are arab, iranian, turk etc....

[Karachi]

Some Muslim Bengalis may have Iranian/Afghan heritage but I very much doubt whether it would be anything more than 25% at the very most.

neither are your punjabi groups. 25% is a huge number. At best it maybe 5%, but it is probably in the range 1-2% in real. And who gives a damn at the end?
Will my genes be superior if I have 2% arab,iranian,turk blood?

[Dhillon]

neither are your punjabi groups. 25% is a huge number. At best it maybe 5%, but it is probably in the range 1-2% in real. And who gives a damn at the end?
Will my genes be superior if I have 2% arab,iranian,turk blood?

I never said anything about Punjabis having this or not, neither did I say it made u superior or anything 25% was what I said would be the absolute highest, meaning one grandparent was Afghan/Iranian which could be possible however most are probably 12.5% or less (great grandparent). I like your thinking in a way though it makes us no superior or inferior and in many ways the subcontinent is so mixed it really isn't a big deal.

[asad71]

I agree with your Bengali history, however why call yourselves anything else? do you think you are arab, iranian or turk, will you fit there better there then in Bengal? The fact of the matter is, it is only very few 1-2% subcontinent people that have any links from outside. Rest of us are from the subcontinent, it is 99% likely that our ancestors were hindus/buddhists, not arab, iranian or Turk

Also how are hindu bengalis different from muslims ones? same way muslim punjabis are not different from hindu punjabis. It is Islamic propaganda that has been shoved down our throats by the mullahs in south asia. They hate the hindus and non believers, so they want to claim that we are arab, iranian, turk etc....

You are making up stories and criticising those. Who in BD has claimed to be an Arab/Afghan/Persian? We are Bangladeshis. I have only narrated our historical heritage. No people in the world had always belonged to where they are now. Populations have for ever been shifting.

[DSM0305]

Then why do muslim bengalis looks exactly the same as hindu bengalis?, why are your genetics exactly the same, as proven by science?

Muslims in the subcontinent are a completely delusional and a confused people, it's actually not just punjabis, but pretty much every muslim group in south asia. even the darkest of tamil muslim will think he is a arab or iranian. What shameful people you bunch are

Show me the ''proven'' scientific evidence.

[Karachi]

You are making up stories and criticising those. Who in BD has claimed to be an Arab/Afghan/Persian? We are Bangladeshis. I have only narrated our historical heritage. No people in the world had always belonged to where they are now. Populations have for ever been shifting.

But what is the proof of that historical heritage? Almost all muslims in south asia claim their ancestors are arabs, turks, Iranians etc... what is the proof of this when almost everything about them is the same as their fellow hindus

[Karachi]

Show me the ''proven'' scientific evidence.

almost every genetic tests reveals this. go look at Harrapa ancestry project

[DSM0305]

almost every genetic tests reveals this. go look at Harrapa ancestry project

If you think that every genetic test reveals that. Then show me. It is plain and simple.

[asad71]

But what is the proof of that historical heritage? Almost all muslims in south asia claim their ancestors are arabs, turks, Iranians etc... what is the proof of this when almost everything about them is the same as their fellow hindus

There is absolutely nothing in common between Hindus and Muslims in various locations in SA.

[Friends of Baloch]

This explains it

Arab origins

Every single Muslim in subcontinent believes s/he is of Arab descent or from an illustrious general or saint.

By Salman Rashid
Published: January 6, 2012

Every single Muslim in the subcontinent believes s/he is of Arab descent. If not direct Arab descent, then the illustrious ancestor had come from either Iran or Bukhara. Interestingly, the ancestor is always a great general or a saint. Never ever have we heard anyone boasting of an intellectual for a forebear. We hear of the progeny of savage robber kings, but there is no one who claims Abu Rehan Al-Beruni or Ibn Rushd as a distant sire.

Arab origin is the favourite fiction of all subcontinental Muslims. Most claim their ancestor arrived in Sindh with the army under Mohammad bin Qasim (MbQ). But, I have heard of lineages reaching back to Old Testament prophets as well. An elderly Janjua (Rajput), from the Salt Range told me of a forefather named Ar, a son of the Prophet Isaac. Ar, he said, was the ancestor of the races that spoke the Aryan tongue!

Touted as a local intellectual, this worthy was unmindful of the fact that Aryan was not a tribal name but a linguistic classification. Neither could he tell me how the name Ar, not being in the Old Testament, had reached him. He insisted this name headed his family tree and was, therefore true. The chart, written on a piece of rather newish paper had been, the Janjua insisted, copied from an old original. The original was of course destroyed after the copy was made.

The Arains flaunt Salim al Raee as their father — the clan being called after his surname. A great and valiant general in the army of MbQ, this man was from an agricultural family of Syria, so the Tarikh-e-Araian tells us. Closer to our times, the Arains are indeed acclaimed for their green thumb for which reason Shah Jehan relocated a large bunch of them to mind the newly laid out Shalimar Garden of Lahore. Today, they are a very rich clan in Baghbanpura.

The Tarikh expounds on this fictional ancestor’s noble background and courage in battle to the extent that he almost outshines MbQ. But it does not give us any source or reference for the rubbish that sullies its pages. There are two authentic histories of the Arab conquest of Sindh. Ahmad Al Biladhuri’s Futuh ul Buladan (written circa 860) and Hamid bin Ali Kufi’s Tarikh-e-Hind wa Sindh, translated first into the Persian as Fatehnama Sindh and then into Sindhi as the Chachnama (written circa 1200).

There are dozens of names sprinkled across the pages of both works, but no mention is made of a blue-blooded warrior called Salim al Raee. There are other histories besides these two works which also disregard this name for the only reason that such a man never existed.

The Awans, similarly, have a fictional ancestor called Qutb Shah from the line of the last caliph of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs. My friend Kaiser Tufail, an Arain, has had himself genetically tested from the US. He has no trace of Arab blood. His line comes from what is now Uzbekistan and has lived from early historic times in the subcontinent. The rest of us of this clan will see similar results should we go through this exercise. Kaiser had his son-in-law, an Awan, also tested. He, too, is singularly clean of Arab genes.

Most of us are the progeny of converts. In their need to escape the discrimination of the so-called higher castes, our ancestors converted to a religion that in theory claimed to profess human equality regardless of colour or caste. I use the words ‘in theory’ because even as the Arabs converted our ancestors to Islam, they discriminated against them for being “Hindis” as we learn this from Ibn Batuta’s own prejudices. And he is not alone.

Consequently, even after conversion, my ancestors, poor agriculturists, were looked down upon by the Arabs and even those who had converted earlier the same way as they were by the Brahmans when they professed their Vedic belief. Within a generation or two, those early converts began the great lie of Arab ancestry to be equal to other converts and the Arabs. This became universal with time.

The challenge then is for all those, Baloch, Pathan, Punjabi et al, who have invented illegitimate fathers for ourselves to get ourselves tested and know the bitter truth.

[Karachi]

There is absolutely nothing in common between Hindus and Muslims in various locations in SA.

food, language, looks,clothes, culture, all are the same. How delusional are you? You must be completely brainwashed to think you are so different from hindus.

[asad71]

food, language, looks,clothes, culture, all are the same. How delusional are you? You must be completely brainwashed to think you are so different from hindus.

Dunno where you get your ideas.You sound quite illiterate.