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  • #16
    Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
    you are most welcome to discuss and learn something more about pashtu and pakhtun culture.
    I am not against the poor ordinary punjabis.They too suffering in this system .
    Their fellow punjabis ruling pakistan so they should be held responssible for not standing to their corrupt rulers.
    we pakhtuns should focus on our own issues .We are oppressed and have no control over anything in this country.
    Think about why pashtuns are everywhere in pakistan?
    Pakistan is not a federal state .in federation provinces have rights and control over their sources.But in the case of pakistan the punjabis kept us backward.backward. Pashtun need to go to karachis,punjab and other parts of the country to survive.They stolen everything from pashtun and Baluch.
    The Baluch realised this discrimination and took arms against the state of punjab.
    While pashtuns are brainwashed in the name of religion.
    Pashtun will never get their rights in pakistan.
    MOre and more pashtuns will spread like beggers in the street of punjab.
    Our language and culture will become part of history.
    pashtuns are not clever and not patriotic.
    People can make them fool and dump them the next day.
    we always back stabbed each others for the interests of others.
    We never defended our interests.

    Yes the indain muslims and the arabs do know whats going on in pashtun-Baluch land.
    They do,nt care about you.The arabs in fact funding pujabi army to kill and terrorised more pashtuns.

    On one side punjabi state is training talibs and on other side blaming pakhtuns for talibanization.
    This suffering will continue ,write my words in red.
    we are addicted to to this gulami culture.
    pashtuns on both side of durandline living under punjabis and persains.
    They are blaming eachothers and defending their masters.
    With over 55% pashtun in afghanistan pashtuns still need to learn and speak parsi to servive in afghanistan.
    The gotv officials meetings etc are using parsi most of the time.
    Pashtun president must take owth in farsi why?
    The media and you name it.
    While we pashtuns in pakistan are like true gulaman of pakistani state.
    Whenever they need pashtuns,we are are ready to die for lahore but if someone ruined the city of peshawar,queta,Banu and kohat we will not even say a word of sympathy for our own.
    Already waziristani pashtuns are killed like chickens .Orakzais,momand,Bajoris and you name it.
    Did two or three pashtuns ever protest against pakistan?
    Did the punjabi media ever give the same coverage to pashtun genocide like others?
    Few punjabis got killed in model town and the whole of pakistan is crying including pakhtuns.
    Well only recently I have found out about Pakistani army and their actions in FATA.... As for the loss of Pashto language and culture, Pashtuns have every right to keep there language alive and use it even within govt. esp. in Afghanistan as they are the majority so whichever language they choose should be the language used for formal matters. Is there anyway to stop this from happening to Pashtuns. I am half Pashtun as you probably already know but stopping this corrupt government from killing innocents will only happen by raising awareness and protests. Direct conflict with the army will most likely not work and only lead to more killing. Can't FATA have a vote to join Afghanistan ? Also u do realise KPK wasn't originally Pashtun territory and is not holistically Pashtun culturally or ethnically..

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    • #17
      Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
      you are most welcome to discuss and learn something more about pashtu and pakhtun culture.
      I am not against the poor ordinary punjabis.They too suffering in this system .
      Their fellow punjabis ruling pakistan so they should be held responssible for not standing to their corrupt rulers.
      we pakhtuns should focus on our own issues .We are oppressed and have no control over anything in this country.
      Think about why pashtuns are everywhere in pakistan?
      Pakistan is not a federal state .in federation provinces have rights and control over their sources.But in the case of pakistan the punjabis kept us backward.backward. Pashtun need to go to karachis,punjab and other parts of the country to survive.They stolen everything from pashtun and Baluch.
      The Baluch realised this discrimination and took arms against the state of punjab.
      While pashtuns are brainwashed in the name of religion.
      Pashtun will never get their rights in pakistan.
      MOre and more pashtuns will spread like beggers in the street of punjab.
      Our language and culture will become part of history.
      pashtuns are not clever and not patriotic.
      People can make them fool and dump them the next day.
      we always back stabbed each others for the interests of others.
      We never defended our interests.

      Yes the indain muslims and the arabs do know whats going on in pashtun-Baluch land.
      They do,nt care about you.The arabs in fact funding pujabi army to kill and terrorised more pashtuns.

      On one side punjabi state is training talibs and on other side blaming pakhtuns for talibanization.
      This suffering will continue ,write my words in red.
      we are addicted to to this gulami culture.
      pashtuns on both side of durandline living under punjabis and persains.
      They are blaming eachothers and defending their masters.
      With over 55% pashtun in afghanistan pashtuns still need to learn and speak parsi to servive in afghanistan.
      The gotv officials meetings etc are using parsi most of the time.
      Pashtun president must take owth in farsi why?
      The media and you name it.
      While we pashtuns in pakistan are like true gulaman of pakistani state.
      Whenever they need pashtuns,we are are ready to die for lahore but if someone ruined the city of peshawar,queta,Banu and kohat we will not even say a word of sympathy for our own.
      Already waziristani pashtuns are killed like chickens .Orakzais,momand,Bajoris and you name it.
      Did two or three pashtuns ever protest against pakistan?
      Did the punjabi media ever give the same coverage to pashtun genocide like others?
      Few punjabis got killed in model town and the whole of pakistan is crying including pakhtuns.
      I dont know whether you know the prophecies about pashtuns or not...But whetther you accept it or not...our people ll die in large numbers...some ll runaway...some ll survive be it anywhere.Our people cannot escape their destiny.But if they embrace it with dignity and honor while being poor or weak..still Allah wont leave them as such.This is a huge topic hiwever...


      We cannot blame outsiders each time...some defects are in us as well...Not all arabs were involved in soviet war..There are arabs who themselves are suffering at the hands of their govts or rulers.There are pakistanis or bangalis who are suffering at the hands of their own govts....what govts do are for them...they dont care about people but themselves (politicians or rulers..).

      I do blame govts...they play their dirty games..with the support of armies.Armies are their paid assassins....You think this killer modi cares about pashtuns or baluchs...if he ever get his hands on you the first thing ll do is kill you...You cant expect muslims to speak up for pashtuns cept few let alone a hardcore muslim hater like modi...who is a sworn enemy og muslims.Gujrat riot is not far from history...he can repeat it if it come to radical hindutva groups like RSS.Muslims in general in india are under surveillance.They are no less than ISI..or CIA etc.

      You want to expect some good for pashtuns from someone ??? Its Allah only,Try not to reveal your miseries to those who cant help you...or whose intentions you may not know.Expect only from Allah...Victories are promised for our people but so are sufferings and death.Few ll be left.Today not only in pakistan and afg..but everywhere plans for elimination of our people are being made...
      sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

      And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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      • #18
        And those who are complaining that no indian or pakistani punjabi muslims are raising voice for pashtuns...i d advise them to visit islamic forums ...they are on the front of sending their aid via money ...via qurbani charity too.

        There are blogs made by them ...poems dedicated for idps and refugees.People among our own community are adopting kids..making orphanages...Even pakistani army too had drs involved..and charity org...though they ve a long way to go through repentence by helping our people.Their generals are sold outs.But what lil help our people recieve should be encouraged.

        We have converts helping via money...if still our people ignore this all what can i say...we are ungrateful creatures then? May Allah save us from being oppressors...we cant choose the path of oppressors..its getter to be oppressed for the price of akhira is greater than this world.World is not gonna last forever neither are our miseries.If our idps and revufugees are patience..why cant we be patient and help them instead of creating disunity nd hatred.
        sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

        And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
          I dont know whether you know the prophecies about pashtuns or not...But whetther you accept it or not...our people ll die in large numbers...some ll runaway...some ll survive be it anywhere.Our people cannot escape their destiny.But if they embrace it with dignity and honor while being poor or weak..still Allah wont leave them as such.This is a huge topic hiwever...


          We cannot blame outsiders each time...some defects are in us as well...Not all arabs were involved in soviet war..There are arabs who themselves are suffering at the hands of their govts or rulers.There are pakistanis or bangalis who are suffering at the hands of their own govts....what govts do are for them...they dont care about people but themselves (politicians or rulers..).

          I do blame govts...they play their dirty games..with the support of armies.Armies are their paid assassins....You think this killer modi cares about pashtuns or baluchs...if he ever get his hands on you the first thing ll do is kill you...You cant expect muslims to speak up for pashtuns cept few let alone a hardcore muslim hater like modi...who is a sworn enemy og muslims.Gujrat riot is not far from history...he can repeat it if it come to radical hindutva groups like RSS.Muslims in general in india are under surveillance.They are no less than ISI..or CIA etc.

          You want to expect some good for pashtuns from someone ??? Its Allah only,Try not to reveal your miseries to those who cant help you...or whose intentions you may not know.Expect only from Allah...Victories are promised for our people but so are sufferings and death.Few ll be left.Today not only in pakistan and afg..but everywhere plans for elimination of our people are being made...
          My dear brother/sis

          I understand your point but you need to act.
          Nothing will come like piece of cake in plat.
          Pashtuns are addicted to this gulami culture.
          I am not against islam.I am muslim but here in pakistan the punjabis baned their own language and if anyother group stand for their rights the punjoos called them sell out and ghadaar.
          The punjabis hate pashtuns.Pashtuns are not clever and patriotic so the punjoos are using them like tools.
          This is called slavery/gulami.
          Write my words in dairy ,,,,,pashtuns will never get their rights in punjabistan,they will never be happy here unless they all adopt urdu and give all pretty pashtanay to punjabis.
          I have deep knowledge of this fake state .
          They occupied your land whether you accept it or not.
          Pashtuns will sell tomato,potative and onion in the street of punjab.
          They will serve outside the luxry houses of punjabis.
          Whoever ask for the rights of pashtuns will be killed by GHQ trained zombies/talibs/.
          Baluchs are proud and brave people while we pashtuns empty bullets.



          Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

          pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
          be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
          gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
          be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
          hamza baba
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Dhillon_Khattak View Post
            Well only recently I have found out about Pakistani army and their actions in FATA.... As for the loss of Pashto language and culture, Pashtuns have every right to keep there language alive and use it even within govt. esp. in Afghanistan as they are the majority so whichever language they choose should be the language used for formal matters. Is there anyway to stop this from happening to Pashtuns. I am half Pashtun as you probably already know but stopping this corrupt government from killing innocents will only happen by raising awareness and protests. Direct conflict with the army will most likely not work and only lead to more killing. Can't FATA have a vote to join Afghanistan ? Also u do realise KPK wasn't originally Pashtun territory and is not holistically Pashtun culturally or ethnically..
            From wich channel you are talking ?
            Pashtuns in afghanistan are immigrants.pashtuns in pashtunkhwa are immigrants so it means allah directly sent pashtuns from the sky.
            Lets pray to allah to take us back to the sky cus here on earth punjabis and tajiks dose not accept us as natives.
            I can only pray for pashtuns like mulla.Nothing els can be done.

            My dear khatak saib.
            Kindly read the history of this land .Kindly read some books written by pashtun hsitorains do,nt follow the urdu and fake histroy books of indain-muslims and punjoos.

            The pashtunland is called pakhtunkhwa .It was also called pakhtya and pakhtika before.
            The rokh is also our name.Rokh or rokhistan.
            Greater pashtunkhwa or pakhtya is as far as multan in the seraiki belt.
            The qila of musa khan near Jehlum/punjab is our border.
            Pashtuns owned this land long before Ahmad shah Abdali.
            The central pashtunkhwa/fata is owned by the karlani pashtuns for thousands of years.They are native.
            Some pashtun tribes such is duranis,jadoons,tareens and yousufzais etc are migrated to pashtunkhwa.Before the arrival of these tribes this land was owned by dilazak-pashtun tribe.Swat region was under swati-pashtun tribe.Amb was under the rule of tanolis.
            The Banuchis exhchange their land with mangals of paktya/afghanistan.
            The pashtuns of southren pashtunkhwa(north-Baluchistan) are native.It was part of greater kandahar.
            The minor khindko speakers in old city of peshawar are originally migrated from hamachal-perdesh and jammu in india later they moved towards mari,hazara,attock and other parts.
            The khindko speakers in hazara region are also not the native.Hazara region was also ruled by turks.Pashtuns defeated the turks and it was declared part of afghanistan.Pashtun tribes such as swatis and lodhis settled in hazara long before the turks.Later in the 18th century the afghan-jadoons migrated from afghanistan and settled in abot abad and in the north of swabi.
            pashtuns owned this land long before the indics.The whole of peshawar valley was the land of dilazak-pashtun tribe.
            The khataks in nokhar are migrated from karak and kohat.
            Karak region was part of loy paktya.Loy paktya include fata,paktya,khost,logar,paktika and land as far as tal,hungo,karak and kohat.Khataks start moving from paktya to the east in karak but karak was part of loy paktya long before.
            If you find any book about kushan that will help.

            The minrority seraki speaking in DI KHAN are migrated from Bahawalpore/punjab.The sadozai nawab brought them to di khan as a workers.
            DI KHAN is the home of Gandapore,sadozais and mainkhail.

            Marwats are native of laki-marwats.Bangash native of hungo,tal and parachinar.
            But if you go back thousands of years then yes,many pashtun tribes originated from the sulaiman mountain and good number of them now moved towards pashtunkhwa .This dose,nt include the karlanis.The karlanis are native to their land.
            One thing is light and clear that this land is owned by pashtuns long before the indics.



            Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

            pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
            be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
            gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
            be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
            hamza baba
            پَښتو کښې اُولېکئ
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            • #21
              Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
              My dear brother/sis

              I understand your point but you need to act.
              Nothing will come like piece of cake in plat.
              Pashtuns are addicted to this gulami culture.
              I am not against islam.I am muslim but here in pakistan the punjabis baned their own language and if anyother group stand for their rights the punjoos called them sell out and ghadaar.
              The punjabis hate pashtuns.Pashtuns are not clever and patriotic so the punjoos are using them like tools.
              This is called slavery/gulami.
              Write my words in dairy ,,,,,pashtuns will never get their rights in punjabistan,they will never be happy here unless they all adopt urdu and give all pretty pashtanay to punjabis.
              I have deep knowledge of this fake state .
              They occupied your land whether you accept it or not.
              Pashtuns will sell tomato,potative and onion in the street of punjab.
              They will serve outside the luxry houses of punjabis.
              Whoever ask for the rights of pashtuns will be killed by GHQ trained zombies/talibs/.
              Baluchs are proud and brave people while we pashtuns empty bullets.
              Agan you are generalising not only punjabis but also pashuns.By your logic you are also a ghulam? Pashtuns ll never get rights in anywhere...whether with bengalis,punjaibis or indians.I can tell you there are many ethnities that dont like pashtuns ..

              Adaptng to changing circumstances i s called survival.Its a positive trait.Pashto is not lost..Rather many people in the globe are learning.Also it ll be the language of mehdi and isa as.You worry too much...,that too by generalising.
              sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

              And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
                Agan you are generalising not only punjabis but also pashuns.By your logic you are also a ghulam? Pashtuns ll never get rights in anywhere...whether with bengalis,punjaibis or indians.I can tell you there are many ethnities that dont like pashtuns ..

                Adaptng to changing circumstances i s called survival.Its a positive trait.Pashto is not lost..Rather many people in the globe are learning.Also it ll be the language of mehdi and isa as.You worry too much...,that too by generalising.
                Care to elaborate... How in the world did he generalize them? He is explaining the political situation to you and how Pashtuns get the short end of the stick.

                Bengalis got the same treatment, but they fought for their rights and today their culture is prospering. Baloch did the same, but sadly for them, they are to few in numbers.

                Pashtuns have been mistreated from day one and have been used as toilet paper. Now tell me, how in the world is this not ghulami...

                Adopting to circumstances is when someone fight for their rights and get a life for betterment.

                And no, Pashto isn't been taught in the world. It isn't even taught locally. A language only prospers when it is the national language and not some disposable local language.

                You keep talking about Islam. So give me sources regarding Pashto being the language of Mehdi and Isa.
                Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

                People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

                ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
                Ronald Reagan

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
                  Agan you are generalising not only punjabis but also pashuns.By your logic you are also a ghulam? Pashtuns ll never get rights in anywhere...whether with bengalis,punjaibis or indians.I can tell you there are many ethnities that dont like pashtuns ..

                  Adaptng to changing circumstances i s called survival.Its a positive trait.Pashto is not lost..Rather many people in the globe are learning.Also it ll be the language of mehdi and isa as.You worry too much...,that too by generalising.
                  We Bengalis never had any issues with Afghan-Pashtuns. Our earliest rulers were Turkic Afghans who settled down here. We consider them our forefathers. Sher Shah was our emperor and hero. The Afghan-Pashtuns fought the Mughal-Uzbeks from this territory till Emperor Aurangzeb ascended the throne and declared the realm Islamic. Even in pre-71 Pakistan Bengalis and Pashtuns got on well at all levels.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by asad71 View Post
                    We Bengalis never had any issues with Afghan-Pashtuns. Our earliest rulers were Turkic Afghans who settled down here. We consider them our forefathers. Sher Shah was our emperor and hero. The Afghan-Pashtuns fought the Mughal-Uzbeks from this territory till Emperor Aurangzeb ascended the throne and declared the realm Islamic. Even in pre-71 Pakistan Bengalis and Pashtuns got on well at all levels.
                    Why would Bengalis consider Turks as their forefathers when they are not? This is very interesting to hear. I thought that Bengalis were a proud people and proud of their language and identity. But you make them sound like punjabis.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
                      Why would Bengalis consider Turks as their forefathers when they are not? This is very interesting to hear. I thought that Bengalis were a proud people and proud of their language and identity. But you make them sound like punjabis.
                      Bengali Muslims,as opposed to Bengalis, are indeed a proud nation who have obtained freedom after sacrificing an ocean of blood. Our origin in the east is Arab traders/sailors. In the west we are seeds of Afghan-Pashtuns who settled down in the land. Our Hindus are overwhelmingly low cost. They did not need to convert.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by asad71 View Post
                        Bengali Muslims,as opposed to Bengalis, are indeed a proud nation who have obtained freedom after sacrificing an ocean of blood. Our origin in the east is Arab traders/sailors. In the west we are seeds of Afghan-Pashtuns who settled down in the land. Our Hindus are overwhelmingly low cost. They did not need to convert.
                        Then why do muslim bengalis looks exactly the same as hindu bengalis?, why are your genetics exactly the same, as proven by science?

                        Muslims in the subcontinent are a completely delusional and a confused people, it's actually not just punjabis, but pretty much every muslim group in south asia. even the darkest of tamil muslim will think he is a arab or iranian. What shameful people you bunch are

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
                          Why would Bengalis consider Turks as their forefathers when they are not? This is very interesting to hear. I thought that Bengalis were a proud people and proud of their language and identity. But you make them sound like punjabis.
                          Bengalis are usually proud of their cultures, however not the ones who supported pakistan in 71, over their own people. Asad71 seems to be the latter, he has always had a soft corner for pak army, despite knowing what they did to his people

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by asad71 View Post
                            Bengali Muslims,as opposed to Bengalis, are indeed a proud nation who have obtained freedom after sacrificing an ocean of blood. Our origin in the east is Arab traders/sailors. In the west we are seeds of Afghan-Pashtuns who settled down in the land. Our Hindus are overwhelmingly low cost. They did not need to convert.
                            You are really deluded if you think that Bengalis are descended from Arabs and Afghans. This is also what Rohingya people in Burma try to claim, but everybody knows that they are Bengali migrants that moved there during the "British Raj" and have nothing to do with Arabs.

                            You sound like a wanabe this is ashamed of his own race and culture and wants to be seen as Arab by other people even though you are Bengali.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                              Then why do muslim bengalis looks exactly the same as hindu bengalis?, why are your genetics exactly the same, as proven by science?

                              Muslims in the subcontinent are a completely delusional and a confused people, it's actually not just punjabis, but pretty much every muslim group in south asia. even the darkest of tamil muslim will think he is a arab or iranian. What shameful people you bunch are
                              Yes are you are right. Its not even down to being "dark". Dark Arabs from countries like Oman, Yemen and Saudi Arabia can have similar complexions to South Asians but their features and physiques are completely different because they have different genetic ancestry. You can easily tell apart a dark Arab from South Asians.

                              Paki and Indian Muslims and even Sikhs that claim their peoples are originally from the Middle East are all liars and suffering from self-hatred and inferiority complex against their own race and culture. They want to be Middle Eastern because they think of Middle Eastern peoples as more superior to themselves and lust after Middle Eastern women who on average are much better looking and more interesting than paki females.

                              Punjabis themselves admit on a regular basis that their women are generally ugly and that they wish foreign women would pay attention to them. This is part of the reason they also want other people to think that they have some Middle Eastern connection because they think this will make them look more appealing to other people than if they just admit that they are fully Punjabi/South Asian.
                              Last edited by Friends of Baloch; 11-09-2014, 05:47 PM.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                                Bengalis are usually proud of their cultures, however not the ones who supported pakistan in 71, over their own people. Asad71 seems to be the latter, he has always had a soft corner for pak army, despite knowing what they did to his people
                                Because Brother Asad71 has served in Pakistan army.He's a veteran of 71 war
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