NaPak Army killing innocent civilians in Waziristan

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Majority of Pashtuns in Afghanistan are opposed to the US/NATO war and Pakistan support for it with NATO supply lines.

No,They want NATO to stay,Majority is in favour of BSA(Even though irrespective of BSA signed,They will now leave by 2016 end)

[Toramana]

NaPak army targeting civilian areas with F-16.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=731075136930547&fref=nf

[Smarty]

NaPak army targeting civilian areas with F-16.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...930547&fref=nf

Due to this reason napak army is not allowing media into FATA. .....Punjabis and napak pathans will pay for this

[Kushan Prince]

No,They want NATO to stay,Majority is in favour of BSA(Even though irrespective of BSA signed,They will now leave by 2016 end)

No they don't you moron, pashtuns want NATO gone and do NOT want the BSA signed. Only tajiks and uzbeks are in favour of getting it signed because if american troops leave, Pashtuns will be in full control of the government again and they will fear the rise of Pashtun nationalism.

Seriously, i'm getting sick and tired of you pakis trolling on here.

[کیش]

Why don't these British East India Company slaves fight gun battle to gun battle? That will drop civilian casualties by a huge %. Only cowards fight thousands of feet in the air.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

And i knew that you will pull this survey out.while Pakistani being on average are religious will indeed Agree for a shariah but you would not even see a thousand making out to the street for declaring shariah.But on daily basis you would see thousand making to the street for electricity and inflation strikes,upto lacs for Imran khan and tahir ul Qadri

The methodological section of the report is sound. They use sound science and sound data collection approaches. The equivalent of what you are saying in our field is: So what if the COURAGE trial shows optimal medical therapy in stable CAD is an approach not inferior to PCI ... just because we know that it may be human nature to not always take your medications doesnt mean we do not honor the evidence in our practice.

In this same vein, all that matters is we know the thoughts and emotions about their religion and even the way manner in which these people would apply religious edicts. Full Stop.

I hope you do know the difference between a Survey conducted on a complete literate country like USA and than Pakistan.

That is an irrelevent red herring since the wants and mores of people regarding what their view is about shariat is defined by each survey in greater detail. They saw this sort of criticism coming and prepared for it in their study design.

So the will of 84% for shariah lack the groud realities otherwise even if 20% of them makes it to the street for a week will ensure shariah by next month in Pakistan.

Once again, irrelevent and merely conjecture. The absence of evidence and the utilization of anecdote is dangerous and offers jingoists/eites the way forward in being inconsiderate of the desires of their people.

Not really,as i explained the 84% will for shariah lack the ground realities.Nothing on ground is being done for the purpose and this is not the case with common Pakistani but even the religious.I am a regular visitor of Shab e juma and in the past 3 years i have not seen anyone of them ever claiming to fight or makes it to the street for shariah in Pakistan ever.

Once again, fighting for something versus appreciating it or wanting are two separate things. Trying to claim that a passive populace that is not risking their life proves that they dont appreciate or want some infusion or access to religious law has no evidence basis. What is evidence based? Not your conjecture, but my data above.

For instance, in the US nearly half the electorate distrusts Obama and wants policy counter to his, but this does not translate into armed revolution even though there are widespread conspiracy theories in the rural population regarding him.


lol,Not sure why you think being patriotic toward Pakistan mean i will have to bow down to Pakistan army or being brainwashed.


The rhetoric you espouse mirrors their jingoist propaganda.

I have repeatedly said that i will even support Israely armed force's against taliban,now be them of Pakistan or Afghanistan.I Also don't consider taliban as human and neither muslim instead mentally ill pagan.

I would say that this, once again, is an opinion and it is something you hold because you are conditioned to hold it. The reason they are what they are is because of your policies in the first place. Remove the NATOcentric non neutral policy, remove the Pak military footprint (ala Robert Pape's work above), and leave FATA and you would have little issue with them.

TTP doesn't care about Pashtun people neither Islam.They only care about Islamabad.

I very much know the suffering of my people and i do know that Taliban TODAY are the only responsible

That is nonsense, the mountains of evidence in addition to what is above is enough to show that you have not a leg to stand upon. The suffering of Pashtuns is primarily due to flexible elites like yourself in Pakistan willing to work with a mercenary army.

Well sir the pashtun on this forum you encounter to be anti Pakistan are not even 0.0000000000000000000001% of Pakistani pashtuns.Not sure when was the last time you had been to pakistan but if you do ever next time.I am sure you will second my thoughts.

As you know I have always had a realistic view of Afghan pakistan relations. I have no doubt that many settled area Pashtuns love Pakistan. But I know for certain that many FATA tribes view their loyalties relative to where their interests are and that was for a time, with Pakistan. A few tribal maliks made it clear that if their interests and economy were interlinked to Kabul then perhap their loyalties and Amanullah era passports would come in handy.

Well Alot of Projects for FATA are in the pipeline.Postoperational development is also being planned.Corruption in Pakistan happen in almost every department

For the operation to be successful,Evacuation was extremely important.

We both know that this wont be a success. You are attempting to propagandize. You are hoping that collective punishment of a people and a whole tribe will cause them to not throw their lot in with their own fighters.

We are not cheerleaders but we know the Ground realities and you don't.I live next to the FATA and apart from me(Cancelled for education purpose) everyone else in my family has FATA domicile.So they are more closer to me than to you and i know the Ground realities much more than you can even imagine.

I am married into the maliks of the yargu khel my friend with lands in angoor adda and Bermal as well. I have a big view on FATA and have personally witnessed tribals mockingly joking with Pak Army veterans about their cruelty.

Again your concerns are justified but being a poor country,No evacuation process would be perfect.At the end of the day,They will return to a militants free waziristan like swat.

You are referring to the Swat operation also replete with human rights abuses and also a failure?

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[BarakzaiAbdali]

No it's not and I never justified it. But again you will say Pakistan's Army is killing civilians and I will say that the Talibans are killing civilians as well. What will be the final solution? The same as I said, that both countries agree of not playing any proxy wars, we seal the border, and kill the militants once and for all. For that we both have to be true to ourselves and each other. Be honest for a while and show the will to resolve the problem. Else this will keep on repeating just like it is from the past 14 years.

Its a foolish approach that takes no responsibility for your own wrongs and internal contradictions . The central approach ought to be 1) admitting the true policy to the people so that a collective decision is made 2) Apologizing for the murder of truth telling reporters who exposed the double game your army is playing with the lives of people- like Hayatullah Wazir case above 3) Telling the people the honest truth about why these people fight in the first place and defining why they are upset with Pakistan instead of using these convenient terms like some sort of house negro (the term militant and terrorist etc are once you have adopted from George W. Bush it seems). 4) Expanding on 3 - telling the full breath of Pakistani electorate the history and story of the FATA tribes' role in Afghanistan for centuries and defining historical parallels ---> and then defining why they turned their fire power on pakistan. 5) Admitting collusion by allowing non Pakistani troops into some of the paramount military sites in Pakistan and pretty much compromising the Pakistani Army into the role of mercenary.

Your idea relies on the continued utilization of a false narrative that suits your own internal dialogue and allows you to kill during the day and sleep comfortably at night without a thought about your nation's culpability.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

No they don't you moron, pashtuns want NATO gone and do NOT want the BSA signed. Only tajiks and uzbeks are in favour of getting it signed because if american troops leave, Pashtuns will be in full control of the government again and they will fear the rise of Pashtun nationalism.

Seriously, i'm getting sick and tired of you pakis trolling on here.

YOu don't but i do know the Ground realities,The common People of Afghansitan does supported USSR and they are supporting the NATO aswell and those common people of Afghanistan include vast majority of the pashtuns.

You being never ever been to Afghanistan should not know better than me living within 50km of Afghanistan border and having lived most of my life among the pashtuns of Afghanistan.

I have my friends from Afghanistan now with Pakistani nationality applying from ISSB(Pakistan army recruitment tests).As i said earlier you being a kid should not know better than me.your behavior speaks well

[Kushan Prince]

YOu don't but i do know the Ground realities,The common People of Afghansitan does supported USSR and they are supporting the NATO aswell and those common people of Afghanistan include vast majority of the pashtuns.

You being never ever been to Afghanistan should not know better than me living within 50km of Afghanistan border and having lived most of my life among the pashtuns of Afghanistan.

I have my friends from Afghanistan now with Pakistani nationality applying from ISSB(Pakistan army recruitment tests).As i said earlier you being a kid should not know better than me.your behavior speaks well

I have been to Afghanistan you mordagow, and i stay in contact with family members who have friends that are against a intervention. You on the other hand are a beghirat living in Peshawar while you support the pak army killing your people in Bannu and BA is right, you paki pathans lack complete ghirat, you wouldn't even know it if it hit you. You also know nothing about Afghan Pashtuns or what they think about nato, your just brainwashed kid who has let false paki pride get you that you ignore the ISI killings of pashtuns in waziristan.

I'm enjoying BA school you on politics that you know nothing on while you ignore his comments aimed at you.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I have been to Afghanistan you mordagow(ghale sha kuni), and i stay in contact with family members who have friends that are against a intervention. You on the other hand are a beghirat living in Peshawar while you support the pak army killing your people in Bannu and BA is right, you paki pathans lack complete ghirat, you wouldn't even know it if it hit you. You also know nothing about Afghan Pashtuns or what they think about nato, your just brainwashed kid who has let false paki pride get you that you ignore the ISI killings of pashtuns in waziristan.

I'm enjoying BA school you on politics that you know nothing on while you ignore his comments aimed at you.

I doubt,further more your proved a liar on ocassion so i don't consider you a credible person.

BA indeed is a Great member of this forum,Atleast conversation with him is meaningful unlike you.I will leave him reply later tonight

[Kushan Prince]

I doubt,further more your proved a liar on ocassion so i don't consider you a credible person.

BA indeed is a Great member of this forum,Atleast conversation with him is meaningful unlike you.I will leave him reply later tonight

Liar? LOL you haven't provided any proof on your random accusations you troll. All you is post nonsensical nonsense on this forum by providing weak paki sources and use it as credible.

Oh and please spare yourself from arguing with BA, judging by half your comments, you have no idea what you are talking about and you will be just wasting his time.

[Friends of Baloch]

It is high time for all Pashtuns to rebel against napakistan and declare their freedom from slave state created by Britain.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

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The Survey is sound but it lacks the Ground level support,Hell even if they would have asked me for Shariah i would have said yes and i know almost every single member of my family would have responded with "YES".

This is the reason a survey conducted in countries like Pakistan are driven by emotion on the other hand survey conducted in Muslim countries like turkey,malaysia etc aswell as European/USA are of different caliber.

This is not going to happen infact the autonomous status of FATA will be withheld within this Govt with FCR abolished and FATA either form's into a new province or merger with KPK,We cannot Leave FATA as it is without govt security there.It is a Pakistani territory,Even Hakeemullah said we are loyal Son of Pakistan.FATA till eternity will now be having Army presence more than any other place in the rest of Pakistan except the border with india.Infact today we only have 1lac troops deployed along LOC while upto 2lac on Pak-Afghan border.

Well sir its upto you believe it or not.Things are changing and extremely fast.Being i kid i remember in surrani,Bannu the sikenkhel public school had Afghanistan flag both in the main building and in the Ground.Today the situation is different.

I am not getting why you responded with Hayatullah Khan tragedy and i am equally sad for him because it tears down my heart when i see my people suffering which in worst case scenerio doesn't number more than 500 on the other hand i have posted the example of people close to me having numbers in excess of 50k families.

The Hazara boy demand punishment for his family murderer,The other girl weeping aside mother body also demand punishment.

Anyway i am not surprised from the sympathy pashtuns in Afghanistan have for talibans..Do you know why TTP collapsed?Because of the People support for the nation

Today in a declare war,TTP can't do **** and they are being bombed to hell.Recent analyst believe that TTP numbers without Hafiz Gul bahadur Group are less than 700fighters down from 9thousand during Swat operation.

[khushal]

^^You are brainwashed fool with no conscience parading like a prostitute with no shame. Even a small child knows that one does not need 70,000 troops with air support and constant shelling destroying every village to the ground, displacing hundreds of thousands of people for 700 fighters.

[کیش]

^^You are brainwashed fool with no conscience parading like a prostitute with no shame. Even a small child knows that one does not need 70,000 troops with air support and constant shelling destroying every village to the ground for 700 fighters.

That same child knows that the Pakistani army consists of the biggest cowards the world has seen. This operation, the Swat one, hell, even their embarrassing loss to East Pakistan exposed them as being cowards. They have never won a war, and they have tried so much. I doubt they even won a single gun battle.

Cowardistan. Lol that's their real name.