Mr Ghani soon disqualified?

[Khostai]

and nothing more? i have already stated why both these men are clowns. i am sorry for insulting your anti pashtun warlord friends and their buddies.

You can insult Dostum as much as you want, but Ghani is not a warlord he is not your one eyed donkey mullah Omar or the mountain goat MAssoud.

[vinyard80]

You misunderstood my reply to you.

1. Abdurrahman Khan relocated Pashtuns to the north because they would resist. That´s what he wrote in his memoires and that what history revealed afterwards when Russian tanks entered Afghanistan via Hairatan.
If I may remind you, the main resistance in the north were in Baghlan und Kunduz, somehow Pashtun bastions while the rest of the north was almost calm.
These are historical facts.

I can´t recall that Mullah Omar had settled any tribe anywhere so your connection between these two people remains somehow shallow.

And I agree that securing the borders of Afghanistan by settling Pashtuns there failed but it failed because not enough Pashtuns were settled there.

2. I don´t have any numbers of "Tajikised Pashtuns" but there a few, some of them roaming on this forum. But keep in mind that being a Tajik is not a well-defined terminus. A Pashtun is Pashtun by birth, language and culture.
A Tajik is Tajik because he cannot identify to a certain ethnic or cultural heritage. So you are right that everyone can become a Tajik by loosing his identity but by these standards even a sub-Saharan African who grows up among Farsi speaking people can become a Tajik which is not a very catchy definition of a people. ;-)
You don´t have to be something to be a Tajik.
You just need to be against Pashto to become one.
That´s the sad definition of the word nowadays.

3. Persian culture doesn´t exist anymore.
The Persians were an ancient people who got destinct after the various invasions of Greater Persia by almost everyone who could rally a busload of fighters behind him.
The Persian culture you are talking about doesn´t exist either because Tajiks are a peasant people as Pashtuns, too.

What I meant with:
"....In Afghanistan three groups had power in their hands:
the royals, the clerus and educated urban people who were running the state.
The royals were Pashtuns, the clerus was overwhelmingly non-Pashtun and the educated urban people who were ministers, lawyers etc were predominantly non-Pashtun, too...."

was that back in the old days this was true.
The elite of state were those in Kabul who could help the royals to run and govern the state.
This quickly changed even Abdurrahman Khan and his successors.
And I used the word "predominantly".

Better is what can last longer, what can survive hardship, enmity and conflicts and by this definition Pashtun culture with it´s deep roots in the people, the nature and religion of the people is by far better than you want it to be.
It is the only language that was used by people in ancient times. It preservation by it´s talkers clearly shows of what quality it is.
And I say this with no intention to badmouth Farsi or Persian culture but I just remind you as a reader of my posts that even Middle Persian is not talked anymore anywhere. Old Persian is totally distinct.

4. Since Pashtuns/Afghans are the backbone of Afghanistan, founded the state that was named after them and are clearly the cultural foundation of the sociaty (Afghanyat), it is normal that it is the national and 1st official language of the country and that people like you have to live with Pohantoons, Mrastoons and Darlmantoons for another 1000 years to come.

OR you can break away and act all independent, funky and cool by imitating with fancy Farsi words all over the place and tap each other on the sholder for belonging to Persian culture and feel superior to others while trying to block the memories of Ghorid, Suri, Lodin,Hotaki and Durrani empires.

It´s up to you, my friend.
I don´t have a problem with whatever you may think is the right path to go.

I just wonder what language Ghani and Dostum speak to understand each other lmao

Well your statement is pure pashtun nationalism garbage. "We did that, we are braver than tajiks, we bla, bla,.. etc, etc, etc"

1) Afghanistan was created by brits not by pashtuns. Ahmad Shah Durrani was king of khorasan/kabulistan. Actually even the name of khorasan was changed by elphistone into afghanistan.

2) Abdul Rahman Khan was a british puppet. He settled thousand of pashtuns in north and west afghanistan because he did not trust non pashtuns. Does not matter if he could speak pashto or not. Zahir Khan, Daud Khan, Hafizullah Amin, Taraki, Najeeb,.. most of them were persianspeakers and they were proud pashtuns.

3) Tajiks are as brave as pashtun are. In every ethnicity and country can be found brave people. But I just would like to remind you that first city who started the fight against Russian was Herat just like brits never could go further than Charikar. You should thanks people like Kohdamani.

4) Tajiks are a confederation of iranian tribes who speak farsi. Just like pashtuns are a confederation of turkic and iranian tribes who speak farsi. To me those persianspeaker pashtuns in north, west and kabul are tajiks.

5) Baghlan is mainly inhabited by tajiks:

http://www.nps.edu/Programs/CCS/Baghlan/Baghlan.html

And Kunduz pashtuns are also a minority group (33%). Non pashtuns make up majority of kunduz population:

http://www.nps.edu/Programs/CCS/Kunduz/Kunduz_Executive_2009.pdf

[vinyard80]

This stupid Tajik bazingar (vineyard) is getting on my damm nerves. He calls pashtuns and our culture backwards and i have no idea why the admin is not doing anything about it. Just ban this khar so he can be taught a lesson cause i've had enough of his ridiculous trolling.

Pashtun tribal culture is one worst cultures in the world. Its just disgusting. I hate it and I will not hide my opinion just because you don't agree with me. If pashtun culture is so great why pashtuns are the most uneducated, tribalized and backward people in the world? Why pashtuns have the lowest HDI in the world? Man stop fooling yourself. That beautiful fairy tale where all pashtuns are brave, clean, educated and respectful only exists in your head. Reality of pashtuns is much different.


BTW why kushan? Now kushans were also pashtuns like ghorids? xDD

[vinyard80]

You can insult Dostum as much as you want, but Ghani is not a warlord he is not your one eyed donkey mullah Omar or the mountain goat MAssoud.

If Ghani has joined hands with Dostum and Kayan that means he has no problem with warlords.


''Mr. Ashraf Ghani, with his progressive view, chose his wife from a Maronite Christian family in Lebanon, that her mother was Jewish.
During his studding in Lebanon, once he traveled Jerusalem with his wife and attended in a special ceremony along the Western Wall (Wailing Wall).''


Seems the guy is also a proud zionist. He has worked for institution such as the World Bank, which is a zionist controlled organization, run by people like Wolfowitz who was the architect to the run-up to the Iraq invasion. Her wife is christian-jew, his kids can not speak pashto and are christians... but he wants our army to become islamic LMAO

http://sachtimes.com/0en17062idcontent.htm

[Kushan Prince]

Pashtun tribal culture is one worst cultures in the world. Its just disgusting. I hate it and I will not hide my opinion just because you don't agree with me. If pashtun culture is so great why pashtuns are the most uneducated, tribalized and backward people in the world? Why pashtuns have the lowest HDI in the world? Man stop fooling yourself. That beautiful fairy tale where all pashtuns are brave, clean, educated and respectful only exists in your head. Reality of pashtuns is much different.


BTW why kushan? Now kushans were also pashtuns like ghorids? xDD

Yeah yeah keep talking shyt bachem. Your "opinion" (which are actually hate speech) will get you banned from this forum. Please tell me why tajiks have a sick culture like bacha bazi and get turned on by prepubescent boys dancing? Talk about a sick culture! This forum doesn't tolerate pashtun bashing and i think a banning will teach you a lesson.

BTW, are tajiks persians now like they will claim to be? LOL.

[vinyard80]

Yeah yeah keep talking shyt bachem. Your "opinion" (which are actually hate speech) will get you banned from this forum. Please tell me why tajiks have a sick culture like bacha bazi and get turned on by prepubescent boys dancing? Talk about a sick culture! This forum doesn't tolerate pashtun bashing and i think a banning will teach you a lesson.

BTW, are tajiks persians now like they will claim to be? LOL.

Man, how old are you? Its damn hilarious how nationalism make people so dumb. Your hate speechS against tajiks are ok but when it comes to pashtuns you cry like a little girl xD

Ban me. Like a give a sh*t. Do you really think I care? Man there is a life and a reality out there. You are wasting your life on this forum.

BTW its well known who tajiks are.

[Al-Afghani]

If Ghani has joined hands with Dostum and Kayan that means he has no problem with warlords.

Warlords are the reality of Afghanistan, because we never had a representative government that is comprised of all ethnicities. In such a situation, local strongmen will arm their followers and demand a fair share of power. Today it's Pashtun warlords (Mullah Omar, Haqqani, Hekmatyar), tomorrow TajikUzbekHazara warlords.

[khushal]

1) Afghanistan was created by brits not by pashtuns. Ahmad Shah Durrani was king of khorasan/kabulistan. Actually even the name of khorasan was changed by elphistone into afghanistan.

The whole worlds borders are drawn by the Europeans, this is fact because they colonized the whole world and most of the world is still today managed by the five powers. While most historians do convey that Afghanistan was a buffer "State" between the Russians and the British. It is also fact that the Brits UNSUCCESSFULLY did try to take it by force and so did the Russians and today the Americans. The point is that Tajiks never fought outsiders, you are too passive. Persian speaking Turks are known for their bravery, Pashtun are known for their bravery but you are not.

The Term "Afghanistan" has been used by historians dating back to the 16th century so it is much older than Ahmed Shah Abdali. "Khorasan" by definition means East. The Arabs and the civilization in the Tigris and Euphrates called anything east of them "Khorasan." Just like the west calls the East "The Orient." The Orient is not or never was a country just like Khorasan was never a country. Countries came in to being when the Europeans created them.

2) Abdul Rahman Khan was a british puppet. He settled thousand of pashtuns in north and west afghanistan because he did not trust non pashtuns. Does not matter if he could speak pashto or not. Zahir Khan, Daud Khan, Hafizullah Amin, Taraki, Najeeb,.. most of them were persianspeakers and they were proud pashtuns.

Abdur Rahman was a shrewd person. He was very good at balancing the Brits and Russian powers. This has always been the job for who ever held the seat in Kabul. If one became paranoid, the danger was invasion and those invasions were always unsuccessful.

3) Tajiks are as brave as pashtun are. In every ethnicity and country can be found brave people. But I just would like to remind you that first city who started the fight against Russian was Herat just like brits never could go further than Charikar. You should thanks people like Kohdamani.

Tajiks are cowards. This is evident by the fact they never fought when Russians took afghan territory during Abdur Rahman times. It is evident by the fact that Ahmend Shah Masoud had agreements with the Russians to cooperate. It is also evident by the fact that today Tajiks are the ones cooperating with todays invaders. Not to mention that the whole Tajikistan has been Linguistically and culturally Russified. if anything you owe Pashtuns Thanks for protecting you and your language and culture.

4) Tajiks are a confederation of iranian tribes who speak farsi. Just like pashtuns are a confederation of turkic and iranian tribes who speak farsi. To me those persianspeaker pashtuns in north, west and kabul are tajiks.

Tajiks don't have Tribal structures. Tajiks live feudal structures.

5) Baghlan is mainly inhabited by tajiks:

http://www.nps.edu/Programs/CCS/Baghlan/Baghlan.html

And Kunduz pashtuns are also a minority group (33%). Non pashtuns make up majority of kunduz population:

http://www.nps.edu/Programs/CCS/Kund...utive_2009.pdf

These sources are flawed since no true analysis has been taken of the demographics in Afghanistan. They have all been corrupted to benefit one ethnic group or another.

[Kushan Prince]

The whole worlds borders are drawn by the Europeans, this is fact because they colonized the whole world and most of the world is still today managed by the five powers. While most historians do convey that Afghanistan was a buffer "State" between the Russians and the British. It is also fact that the Brits UNSUCCESSFULLY did try to take it by force and so did the Russians and today the Americans. The point is that Tajiks never fought outsiders, you are too passive. Persian speaking Turks are known for their bravery, Pashtun are known for their bravery but you are not.

The Term "Afghanistan" has been used by historians dating back to the 16th century so it is much older than Ahmed Shah Abdali. "Khorasan" by definition means East. The Arabs and the civilization in the Tigris and Euphrates called anything east of them "Khorasan." Just like the west calls the East "The Orient." The Orient is not or never was a country just like Khorasan was never a country. Countries came in to being when the Europeans created them.


Abdur Rahman was a shrewd person. He was very good at balancing the Brits and Russian powers. This has always been the job for who ever held the seat in Kabul. If one became paranoid, the danger was invasion and those invasions were always unsuccessful.


Tajiks are cowards. This is evident by the fact they never fought when Russians took afghan territory during Abdur Rahman times. It is evident by the fact that Ahmend Shah Masoud had agreements with the Russians to cooperate. It is also evident by the fact that today Tajiks are the ones cooperating with todays invaders. Not to mention that the whole Tajikistan has been Linguistically and culturally Russified. if anything you owe Pashtuns Thanks for protecting you and your language and culture.


Tajiks have Tribal structures. Tajiks live feudal structures.



These sources are flawed since no true analysis has been taken of the demographics in Afghanistan. They have all been corrupted to benefit one ethnic group or another.

Umm Afghanistan was not created by the british and tajiks don't live in tribes as they are not a single ethnic group.

[Kushan Prince]

Man, how old are you? Its damn hilarious how nationalism make people so dumb. Your hate speechS against tajiks are ok but when it comes to pashtuns you cry like a little girl xD

Ban me. Like a give a sh*t. Do you really think I care? Man there is a life and a reality out there. You are wasting your life on this forum.

BTW its well known who tajiks are.

lmao really? by who?

[khushal]

@MostafaM the central Asian Turks had anti Soviet fighters, called Basmachi, who staged attacks from the hideouts in Afghanistan. The Afghan government was afraid this would draw the anger of the Russia, so they had these fighters expelled.

It would be similar if Pakistan today kicks out the entire Taliban leadership.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basmachi_movement

Cutting deals with neighbouring empires is the Afghan survival strategy.

The Basmachi's which is actually a derogatory term meaning thief and the Russians gave them that name much like today the word "terrorist" is used lost popular support in central Asia because the Russians killed their leaders and crushed it, and the people lost the will to fight and started participating in the "Stalinization" of the region. Even Ahmed Shah Masouds grandfather was apart of that movement who ran to the protection of Pashtuns and left his people to their cultural death.

[vinyard80]

Umm Afghanistan was not created by the british and tajiks don't live in tribes as they are not a single ethnic group.

Oh yeah, my beloved lowlife wrora. Brits created afghanistan. Brits drawn current afghanistan borders and elphistone changed the name. Ahmad Shah Durrani was Khorasan´s last king.. Prove me wrong.

[Kushan Prince]

Oh yeah, my beloved lowlife wrora. Brits created afghanistan. Brits drawn current afghanistan borders and elphistone changed the name. Ahmad Shah Durrani was Khorasan´s last king.. Prove me wrong.

Prove it then moron PROVE IT!

[khushal]

Umm Afghanistan was not created by the british and tajiks don't live in tribes as they are not a single ethnic group.

I meant don't have tribal structures. They live in feudal structures.

[vinyard80]

The whole worlds borders are drawn by the Europeans, this is fact because they colonized the whole world and most of the world is still today managed by the five powers. While most historians do convey that Afghanistan was a buffer "State" between the Russians and the British. It is also fact that the Brits UNSUCCESSFULLY did try to take it by force and so did the Russians and today the Americans. The point is that Tajiks never fought outsiders, you are too passive. Persian speaking Turks are known for their bravery, Pashtun are known for their bravery but you are not.

The Term "Afghanistan" has been used by historians dating back to the 16th century so it is much older than Ahmed Shah Abdali. "Khorasan" by definition means East. The Arabs and the civilization in the Tigris and Euphrates called anything east of them "Khorasan." Just like the west calls the East "The Orient." The Orient is not or never was a country just like Khorasan was never a country. Countries came in to being when the Europeans created them.


Abdur Rahman was a shrewd person. He was very good at balancing the Brits and Russian powers. This has always been the job for who ever held the seat in Kabul. If one became paranoid, the danger was invasion and those invasions were always unsuccessful.


Tajiks are cowards. This is evident by the fact they never fought when Russians took afghan territory during Abdur Rahman times. It is evident by the fact that Ahmend Shah Masoud had agreements with the Russians to cooperate. It is also evident by the fact that today Tajiks are the ones cooperating with todays invaders. Not to mention that the whole Tajikistan has been Linguistically and culturally Russified. if anything you owe Pashtuns Thanks for protecting you and your language and culture.


Tajiks have Tribal structures. Tajiks live feudal structures.



These sources are flawed since no true analysis has been taken of the demographics in Afghanistan. They have all been corrupted to benefit one ethnic group or another.

Its hilarious how you claim tajiks are cowards and pashtuns are brave. I just wonder what have you done for afghanistan. Bet you live abroad actually I am pretty sure that in case of war you would sh*t in your pants xDD

Come on baby. You are just an internet warrior. Keep it up.