Mr Ghani soon disqualified?

[pashtanajan]

Amrullah Saleh anti Taliban stand and pro democracy green approach is highly appreciable. However his past with Masoud and his total tendency towards Tajiks and only use of Persian are stigmas and hindrances in his being a national Afghan leader.

I've met Amrullah Saleh personally in an online conference and found him to be a well spoken and articulate man. He didn't seem ethnocentric at all. I believe he doesn't speak Pashto because he can't for obvious reasons. There's nothing wrong with that.

Many Pashtuns were affiliated with Massoud and I don't think that's necessarily a hindrance. However, his inability to communicate to people in Pashto speaking regions will definitely be a obstacle to getting votes if he were ever to run for presidency. Afghanistan like Canada is officially a bilingual country, and every individual running for presidency must be fluent in both languages.

[Azmal]

Why admin is allowing propaganda of flat headed Amu Jumpers? Is this Pashton form or Tajikam? There were organized fraud by step son of Kandhari Pashtun Abdullah 2x, a friend have seen Punjshiri woman being carried from one polling station to next in Kabul.
If Abdullah 2 X will that will be end of Afghanistan! Any Pashton that voted for Abdullah 2x is nothing but traitors, or a moron!

[Khostai]

I've met Amrullah Saleh personally in an online conference and found him to be a well spoken and articulate man. He didn't seem ethnocentric at all. I believe he doesn't speak Pashto because he can't for obvious reasons. There's nothing wrong with that.

Many Pashtuns were affiliated with Massoud and I don't think that's necessarily a hindrance. However, his inability to communicate to people in Pashto speaking regions will definitely be a obstacle to getting votes if he were ever to run for presidency. Afghanistan like Canada is officially a bilingual country, and every individual running for presidency must be fluent in both languages.

Only illiterate farmers have an excuse not speaking one of national languages of Afghanistan, the rest who are working in goverment or are wanting to, have no ezxcuses, and him not speaking proper PAshtu is just disrespect to Pashtuns and a big insult ot us.

Only a blind people wouldn't mind that he can't speak PAshtu, people like him are dangerous and he is clearly ethnocentric like all the facist that were friends of Massoud.

With you mentality there is no wonder that Pashtuns are so behind in Afghanistan, I hope sincerely that the **** of ANA will be imprisoned or removed from any goverment position, them stealing money for the past 12 years and bringing a super corrupt and incompetent goverment says enough of their capabilities.

[MostafaM]

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Many Pashtuns were affiliated with Massoud and I don't think that's necessarily a hindrance. However, his inability to communicate to people in Pashto speaking regions will definitely be a obstacle to getting votes if he were ever to run for presidency. Afghanistan like Canada is officially a bilingual country, and every individual running for presidency must be fluent in both languages.

1. He speaks Pashto perfectly.
Search for his Pashto interview online.
It wouldn´t make sense to be the head of the Afghan Intelligence Agency if you can´t understand the language of the enemy aka the ISI-led Taliban forces, the Frontier Chorps officers and the Pashtun ISI officers.

2. The only Pashtuns who sided directly with Massoud were Sayyaf´s troops which make approximatly 0.0001% of the whole Pashtun population and some traitors in the north around Baghlan and other areas.
Every Pashtun who had sided himself with a man like Massoud who was known for his ethnocentric views was and is a traitor and that person is stigmatized among Pashtuns/Afghans.

ahmad shah masood racial views - YouTube

Ahmad Shah Massoud-Speaks about Tajik -Pashton-for the first time ever 1 - YouTube

Ahmad Shah Massoud-Speaks about Tajik -Pashton-for the first time ever 2 - YouTube

Amrullah Saleh has broken with this world view.

Conclusion:
Please keep your subtile propaganda for yourself.
Manena.

[pashtanajan]

1. He speaks Pashto perfectly.
Search for his Pashto interview online.
It wouldn´t make sense to be the head of the Afghan Intelligence Agency if you can´t understand the language of the enemy aka the ISI-led Taliban forces, the Frontier Chorps officers and the Pashtun ISI officers.

2. The only Pashtuns who sided directly with Massoud were Sayyaf´s troops which make approximatly 0.0001% of the whole Pashtun population and some traitors in the north around Baghlan and other areas.
Every Pashtun who had sided himself with a man like Massoud who was known for his ethnocentric views was and is a traitor and that person is stigmatized among Pashtuns/Afghans.

ahmad shah masood racial views - YouTube

Ahmad Shah Massoud-Speaks about Tajik -Pashton-for the first time ever 1 - YouTube

Ahmad Shah Massoud-Speaks about Tajik -Pashton-for the first time ever 2 - YouTube

Amrullah Saleh has broken with this world view.

Conclusion:
Please keep your subtile propaganda for yourself.
Manena.

I posted the aforementioned video a while ago and I too was confused as to whether it was Massoud or not. However, I can only hear a man's voice who may or may not be Massoud, and thus these videos are of a questionable nature.

I do not affiliate with Massoud or any other warlord. Many Pashtun warlords who fought against the soviets also committed atrocious acts. Thus, scapegoating ethnic groups for the current problems in Afghanistan is ridiculous and pathetic.

People on this forum love to scrutinize others and their views. Almost no one here understands how to agree to disagree. Furthermore, knowing that the likes of you can become a moderator makes me wonder if this site is truly what it claims to be: a Pashtun community.

Because I don't see any camaraderie here.

"Manana"

P.S— It's spelled subtle.

[MostafaM]

I posted the aforementioned video a while ago and I too was confused as to whether it was Massoud or not. However, I can only hear a man's voice who may or may not be Massoud, and thus these videos are of a questionable nature.

I do not affiliate with Massoud or any other warlord. Many Pashtun warlords who fought against the soviets also committed atrocious acts. Thus, scapegoating ethnic groups for the current problems in Afghanistan is ridiculous and pathetic.

People on this forum love to scrutinize others and their views. Almost no one here understands how to agree to disagree. Furthermore, knowing that the likes of you can become a moderator makes me wonder if this site is truly what it claims to be: a Pashtun community.

Because I don't see any camaraderie here.

"Manana"

P.S— It's spelled subtle.

1. You can or cannot look into the mirror and accept certain realities. This is 100% up to you.

2. Yes, I remember your comments about the "backwardness", the "inability of Pashtuns for evolving and empowerment" and their inability to speak Pashto well enough. I tackled those comments and you failed to respond.
Now I pointed out that you are wrong by saying that many Pashtuns sided with Massoud, in fact singled out your pathetic lies once again.

3. It´s of no importance if Pashtun warlords committed crimes if it was to their cruel or inhumane nature. It has another dimension if crimes aren´t committed for reasons like greed or power but solely for the purpose of ethnocentric worldview and the aim to subjugate people by

a) denying their culture
b) denying their history
c) dehumanizing them

Which Massoud clearly does in the videos and there are alot of videos where he listens to his commanders ranting in the same way in his presence about "Pashtun barbarians".

4. Maybe you should understand what "community" means.
The word "common" is hidden there somewhere, Ms. Wannabe Psychologist.
I don´t have anything in common with people with inferiority complexes or self-hate and definitly nothing in common with people who do their best to undermine their own people´s heritage.

This community is for Pashtuns/Afghans to come together.
It´s not a community for Pseudo-Pashtuns who spread their venom to undermine the process of self-empowerment and self-respect.

Conclusion:

Please stick to your house-n-yard-negro world view on Tajikam or some other place where people might agree with your world view.

On this forum I discuss not to refute you as a person but to refute certain worldviews for a wider audience that reads these discussions without ever participating or registering as members.
Everything I do as a moderator here has a meaning to me and I don´t look down on my people but see the potential to be of benefit for the whole mankind in them.

Once again: stick to your own, madame.

Manena.

PS: English is my 4th language, so feel proud for correcting a word while missing the whole story. haha

PPS: There is no camaraderie with traitors on this side of the Durand-Line nor on the other side. That should be obvious, shouldn´t it?

[Karachi]

Well i am a big fan of Amrullah saleh,he can be compared with late ISI chief Akhtar Abdur rehman.

He may be not Pro Pakistan,But believe me alot of problem between Pak-Afghan will be solved if he ever come into power.Since i know he's the person of actions.Similar is expected if Modi come into power in india,we may see Kashmir problem getting solved way too easily.

I believe Amrullah saleh in power will be better not only for Afghanistan and its future but pakistan aswell.

wait, you support Modi, Amrullah saleh and support ISI/Pakistan army at the same time? please tell me how does that work?

Anyways you are right about Amrullah saleh, he is the most capable of getting rid of Afghanistan's enemy's

[khushal]

Can you give us an example of this policy?
.

First lets point out that the Taliban made a comeback under his watch.

I don't know if you read what he writes but everyone knows that he is against any peace with the Taliban even though it is fact that the Taliban is apart of the Afghan society(people of the tribal belt and these people are the majority of the afghan population) so in essence he is against making peace with the majority of the population. This ethnocentric policy of marginalizing the majority of the population has deepened Afghanistan ethnic problems and is a contributor to an ongoing war.

He labels every insurgent as a Pakistani proxy which is a tactic that Pakistan has been using for decades by trying to deflect their own misgivings and shortcomings on to another state similar to how the Pakistani state blames India for its own shortcomings and failed policies(ie labeling the TTP and the baluch rebels as Indian RAW agents).

Salah has two plans. Plan (A) is to convince afghans that any Pashtun resistance to Tajik domination is a Pakistani proxy and therefore any Pashtun criticizing Tajik power is a Pakistani by default.
Plan (B) is to lobby the American Gov to divide Afghansitan into separate independent states along ethnic lines.
http://kblpolitics.blogspot.com/2013...istan-and.html

The guy is an ethno fascist, he does not want to live with other ethnicities unless those ethnicities are dominated by his own ethnicity. He is the closest thing to a Tajik Hitler.

[gadoonwal]

I've met Amrullah Saleh personally in an online conference and found him to be a well spoken and articulate man. He didn't seem ethnocentric at all. I believe he doesn't speak Pashto because he can't for obvious reasons. There's nothing wrong with that.

Many Pashtuns were affiliated with Massoud and I don't think that's necessarily a hindrance. However, his inability to communicate to people in Pashto speaking regions will definitely be a obstacle to getting votes if he were ever to run for presidency. Afghanistan like Canada is officially a bilingual country, and every individual running for presidency must be fluent in both languages.

so its ok for tajik not to speak pakhtu ?
why?
why should pashtuns speak parsi then?
you are looking down up on pashtu language.
None of the punjsheris and tajik leaders speak pashtu cus they are proud people.On the other side pashtun feel ashmaed of his language and talking day and night in parso.
Still they are proud pakhtuns.

Benang pashtuns feel more modren and patriotic when speaking in parso.
The none-pashtu speaking pashtuns are not pashtuns by any mean.

I do,nt blame brave punjsheris and tajiks.
They are proud and brave people and why should they talk in the language of benang and bepath.
pashtuns are lost and defeated nation on all sides.
Let us put our head down and think why others like pakistan killing us and tajik taking our language and country from us.
I challenge any true and pashtu speaking pashtun to prove me wrong here.

[khushal]

You think Amrullah Saleh is the reason why Pashtuns like De Bannu Dhaalkhor or Shadibaz exist?

I doubt that.

While I believe the Bannu guy is just an ill informed moron who cant think deep, shahbaz on the other hand is level headed. Since Salah types blame everything on Pakistan to deflect blame from their own stupidity and doomed policies, the bannu types hatred for afghan Pashtuns is a reaction to the Salah types who use divide and conquer strategies.

So in essence The Salah types are the reason Bannu types hate Afghan Pashtuns because they are convinced afghans are out for blood and the Salah types are the reason the afghan Pashtun hate Pakistani Pashtuns because they are convinced Pakistan is out to destroy them instead of their own failed policies similar to how the paksitani state blames everything on India instead of their own corrupt leaders failed policies.

Most of the people here have been fooled and this is evident by the fact that afghans blame everything bad that happens on the ISI and Pakistanis blame everything bad that happens on India.

[Kushan Prince]

First lets point out that the Taliban made a comeback under his watch.

I don't know if you read what he writes but everyone knows that he is against any peace with the Taliban even though it is fact that the Taliban is apart of the Afghan society(people of the tribal belt and these people are the majority of the afghan population) so in essence he is against making peace with the majority of the population. This ethnocentric policy of marginalizing the majority of the population has deepened Afghanistan ethnic problems and is a contributor to an ongoing war.

He labels every insurgent as a Pakistani proxy which is a tactic that Pakistan has been using for decades by trying to deflect their own misgivings and shortcomings on to another state similar to how the Pakistani state blames India for its own shortcomings and failed policies(ie labeling the TTP and the baluch rebels as Indian RAW agents).

Salah has two plans. Plan (A) is to convince afghans that any Pashtun resistance to Tajik domination is a Pakistani proxy and therefore any Pashtun criticizing Tajik power is a Pakistani by default.
Plan (B) is to lobby the American Gov to divide Afghansitan into separate independent states along ethnic lines.
http://kblpolitics.blogspot.com/2013...istan-and.html

The guy is an ethno fascist, he does not want to live with other ethnicities unless those ethnicities are dominated by his own ethnicity. He is the closest thing to a Tajik Hitler.

I think you are being a bit to harsh on Mr. Saleh and tajiks. He can speak pashto fine and and all his anti rhetoric insults have been thrown at the Paki isi which afghan pashtuns also hate. I don't think he wants to to divide pashtuns and tajiks because he hasn't shown insight of that in any of his speeches or comments so that's conspiracy at best. He just wants to show and prove to all Afghans the terrorist actives pakistan's ISI commits in Afg.

The closest thing to a "Tajik Hitler" would have been massoud who wanted to eradicate all pukhtoons from Afghanistan.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

wait, you support Modi, Amrullah saleh and support ISI/Pakistan army at the same time? please tell me how does that work?

Anyways you are right about Amrullah saleh, he is the most capable of getting rid of Afghanistan's enemy's

Everyone is entitled to his/Her own Opinion..

I don't support Modi,What i meant is that Under NDA pakistan and india were close to strike a deal on kashmir and since we know Modi is a person of actions.I expect the kashmir issue to be solved

I support Pakistan army or ISI when they are right and i criticize them when they are wrong.

I support Amrullah saleh because at the moment he can be easily called as the most genius mind out of Afghanistan.I don't think anyone else in Afghanistan is even close to him let alone comparable.this is the reason i said he can be easily compared or even better than the late ISI cheif Akhtar Abdur rehman.

I don't follow dual policy like many member in the forum do,I am a Open Person and Support or criticize everything in open.

[Smarty]

Everyone is entitled to his/Her own Opinion..

I don't support Modi,What i meant is that Under NDA pakistan and india were close to strike a deal on kashmir and since we know Modi is a person of actions.I expect the kashmir issue to be solved

I support Pakistan army or ISI when they are right and i criticize them when they are wrong.

I support Amrullah saleh because at the moment he can be easily called as the most genius mind out of Afghanistan.I don't think anyone else in Afghanistan is even close to him let alone comparable.this is the reason i said he can be easily compared or even better than the late ISI cheif Akhtar Abdur rehman.

I don't follow dual policy like many member in the forum do,I am a Open Person and Support or criticize everything in open.

Amrullah saleh is not genius, he is articulated person. I am getting impression from you that there are not so many smart persons in afghanistan and that saleh has no competition?

[Al-Afghani]

So in essence The Salah types are the reason Bannu types hate Afghan Pashtuns because they are convinced afghans are out for blood and the Salah types are the reason the afghan Pashtun hate Pakistani Pashtuns because they are convinced Pakistan is out to destroy them instead of their own failed policies similar to how the paksitani state blames everything on India instead of their own corrupt leaders failed policies.

I'm not sure if one man can generate this amount of conspiracy thinking behind a multi million population. I think you are ascribing him powers that he does not possess, which is the result of your own world view. One of Tajiks being in control of everything, and Pashtuns being the eternal victim of their policies.

he is against any peace with the Taliban

False, he says we should not agree to a peace deal. He wants the Taliban to become a political party and join the elections like all others. This is of course against their ideology (democracy is incompatible with Islam) and Pashtun supremacy.

> This ethnocentric policy of marginalizing the majority of the population has deepened Afghanistan ethnic problems and is a contributor to an ongoing war.
I'm not sure of this. The ethnic problems can be traced back to Pashtun kings and dictators in the past century. The Pashtun supremacy policy was continued by the now deposed Taliban regime. By not allowing TajiksUzbeksHazaras any government position, distributing land to Pashtuns, etc.

> He labels every insurgent as a Pakistani proxy
The Taliban movement is being used a proxy by Pakistan to safeguard their interests. Do you agree with this?

He is the closest thing to a Tajik Hitler.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Amrullah saleh is not genius, he is articulated person. I am getting impression from you that there are not so many smart persons in afghanistan and that saleh has no competition?

Smart not in a sense of Scientific Knowledge.But the one who understand the politics of this region the best.

Yes I admit,or atleast i am yet to see anyone more informed and better understanding the present situation in Afghanistan and its relation with the neighbours better than Amrullah saleh

if you know anyone else,Than please post his name and i will read about him.

Meanwhile A Pakistani Who understand the politics of the region the best and understand afghanistan is the Great "Professor Aksar S Ahmad"